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Colleges and Universities School Debts Can Lead To Closures And Forced Realignment
With a number of colleges and universities shutting down in a mass numbers in recent years from Lon Morris in the NJCAA to Saint Joseph's Indiana in D2, we could see more schools in trouble.

Private Colleges Fail, In Debt

This article came out last year. 177 private colleges which 112 are not for profit are in danger. Several on the list already closed down like Dowling, Mount Ida, Saint Gregory's, Bacone and others. If a school have a 1.5 or below are failing. bacone had a 1.7 rating, but still closing. Here are some schools that could be the next ones to close which some do play D1 sports.

Adrian College 1.2
Alderson Broaddus 0.4
Alliant International -0.4 was a former NCAA D1 under another name.
Arkansas Baptist 0.3 HBCU junior College
Azusa Pacific 1.5
Belmont Abbey 1.6 on the edge
Bethany Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Indiana 0.7 NAIA
Bethel Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Tennessee 1.4
Caldwell 1.5
Carson-Newman 1.4
Chestnut Hill 1.7
Columbia College, SC 1.4
Ecclesia 1.3 NAIa
Emmanuel -0.9 D2 could be the next to close.
Finlandia 1.1
Green Mountain 1
Hannibal-La Grange 1.4
Hillsdale free Will Baptist in Moore, Oklahoma 0.8
Hiram 1.1
Howard
Huntington Indiana 1.7
Iowa Wesleyan 0.6
Kansas Christian 1.2
Kentucky Wesleyan 1.3
Keystone College 0.4
Lake Erie 1.3
MidAmerica Nazarene 1.3
Morthland 1.7 in a holding pattern to reformed the school.
Multumuh 0.8
Newberry 1.8
Notre Dame, Ohio 1.6
Ohio Valley -1
Ottawa Kansas 1
Paine 1.7
Pine Manor 1.2
Quincy 1.8
Rochester, Mich. -0.1
St. Joseph's, NY 1.9
Saint Martin's 1.6
Saint Xavier 1.7
Salem International 1.5
Selma 1.9
Shorter 1.3
Sierra Nevada 1.8
Southern Vermont 1.1
Spring Hill 1.4
Sterling 1.9
Thomas More 1.6
U. of Mobile 1.2
Westminster, MO. 1.1
Wheeling Jesuit U.1.5
Wilberforce 1.3

All this are private schools. This does not show how bad the public school's debts are. 3 is perfect record that a lot of d1 and D2 schools have. between 1.5 to 2.0 is on the border of failure. Below 1.5 gets a school a fail grade. A lot of schools that closed in recent years have a fail grade below 1.5 except for Bacone who had a 1.7. People who are saying Howard going to the Big South may have to rethink that they might have to go down to D2 or something. Usually a school's debt decides where a school moves to like Thomas More dropping back down to NAIA. There are chatter that Kentucky Wesleyan would be moving back down to NAIA. So far, only Howard at the D1 level seems to be borderline of moving towards rock bottom. This could be also the next big realignment talks that have to do with the small private schools who have major debt. I think Presbyterian should be on the watch list as well. They are the smallest in D1. Bacone had a similar size enrollment as Presbyterian,
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HBCU Schools In Trouble

This is an article from 2015. The article mentioned Howard University and their debt issues. They seemed to be in danger of closing as well.
South Carolina State is also mentioned for their debt issues.

Howard University Could Close

Cheney On The Brink Of Closing

HBCU Schools That Closed

Concordia, Alabama Closed

North Carolina Could Endanger 5 Universities To Become Community Colleges

There was a bill back in 2016 could forced, UNC-Pembroke, Western Carolina, Elizabeth City State, Fayetteville State and Winston-Salem State to lower tuition, a name change and become a 2 year school.
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Chicago State In Trouble Of Closing

Chicago State is another D1 that could close their doors alongside Howard and South Carolina State.
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Shouldn't this be posted on the "Obscure College Realignment Board"?
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Ecclesia is not NAIA.
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Finlandia University - this is the coolest school. It's located in far northern Michigan in the only part of the country that was settled by the Finnish and remains very, uh, Finnish.
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(05-23-2018 10:07 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Finlandia University - this is the coolest school. It's located in far northern Michigan in the only part of the country that was settled by the Finnish and remains very, uh, Finnish.

They have 670 students and sponsor 14 sports including football. It makes no sense.
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(05-23-2018 10:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 10:07 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Finlandia University - this is the coolest school. It's located in far northern Michigan in the only part of the country that was settled by the Finnish and remains very, uh, Finnish.

They have 670 students and sponsor 14 sports including football. It makes no sense.


They have less students than Bacone.
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(05-23-2018 09:12 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Shouldn't this be posted on the "Obscure College Realignment Board"?

You mean, it belongs on the board that has other threads titled

"What is Big South’s next move?"
"Grambling State May Have An Open Date For Football for 2018"
"Hampton & MEAC getting testy as the split goes down"
"Liberty expected to make major conference affiliation announcement on Thursday"
"SIU-C and SIU-E mulling split"
"Colorado Mesa Adds Women's Wrestling"
"South Dakota St drops M&W Tennis"
"Siena drops field hockey"

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(05-23-2018 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:12 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Shouldn't this be posted on the "Obscure College Realignment Board"?

You mean, it belongs on the board that has other threads titled

"What is Big South’s next move?"
"Grambling State May Have An Open Date For Football for 2018"
"Hampton & MEAC getting testy as the split goes down"
"Liberty expected to make major conference affiliation announcement on Thursday"
"SIU-C and SIU-E mulling split"
"Colorado Mesa Adds Women's Wrestling"
"South Dakota St drops M&W Tennis"
"Siena drops field hockey"

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I think we are onto something...03-lmfao
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(05-23-2018 02:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:12 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Shouldn't this be posted on the "Obscure College Realignment Board"?

You mean, it belongs on the board that has other threads titled

"What is Big South’s next move?"
"Grambling State May Have An Open Date For Football for 2018"
"Hampton & MEAC getting testy as the split goes down"
"Liberty expected to make major conference affiliation announcement on Thursday"
"SIU-C and SIU-E mulling split"
"Colorado Mesa Adds Women's Wrestling"
"South Dakota St drops M&W Tennis"
"Siena drops field hockey"

07-coffee3

I think we are onto something...03-lmfao

Hahahahaha
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I think people forget. Cheyney dropped football and a lot of their sports. They dropped out of the NCAA. They are financially in trouble which forced them to do that which causes realignment issues. Any MEAC schools could faced the same issues and have to do the exact same thing. Morris Brown, a former D1 school had to drop all of their sports and leave the NCAA altogether. They now only have 35 students enroll. I have to say that they are almost closed for good.
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Debt by itself is not an indicator of an entity's likeliness to fail.
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(05-23-2018 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:12 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Shouldn't this be posted on the "Obscure College Realignment Board"?

You mean, it belongs on the board that has other threads titled

"What is Big South’s next move?"
"Grambling State May Have An Open Date For Football for 2018"
"Hampton & MEAC getting testy as the split goes down"
"Liberty expected to make major conference affiliation announcement on Thursday"
"SIU-C and SIU-E mulling split"
"Colorado Mesa Adds Women's Wrestling"
"South Dakota St drops M&W Tennis"
"Siena drops field hockey"

07-coffee3

I think that was kind of a low blow.

If it isn't against the rules then the guy is just trying to share his interest with the Board--which is kind of the purpose of the forum in general.
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Dixie...we are just having some fun. David is a good sport. I usually don't mind his threads and as always no one is forced to read.
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(05-23-2018 05:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Dixie...we are just having some fun. David is a good sport. I usually don't mind his threads and as always no one is forced to read.


A lot of people think that I add somethings to the forum as well with links like this about schools in financial troubles. With Bacone closing, it put Grambling State in a scramble mode to find a replacement game against them. How many games had to be replaced by several football schools closing like Concordia Alabama, St. Joseph's Indiana, Morthland, and now Bacone? These things effect schools including D1.
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Best DavidSt thread in a while
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(05-23-2018 08:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  With a number of colleges and universities shutting down in a mass numbers in recent years from Lon Morris in the NJCAA to Saint Joseph's Indiana in D2, we could see more schools in trouble.

Private Colleges Fail, In Debt

This article came out last year. 177 private colleges which 112 are not for profit are in danger. Several on the list already closed down like Dowling, Mount Ida, Saint Gregory's, Bacone and others. If a school have a 1.5 or below are failing. bacone had a 1.7 rating, but still closing. Here are some schools that could be the next ones to close which some do play D1 sports.

Adrian College 1.2
Alderson Broaddus 0.4
Alliant International -0.4 was a former NCAA D1 under another name.
Arkansas Baptist 0.3 HBCU junior College
Azusa Pacific 1.5
Belmont Abbey 1.6 on the edge
Bethany Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Indiana 0.7 NAIA
Bethel Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Tennessee 1.4
Caldwell 1.5
Carson-Newman 1.4
Chestnut Hill 1.7
Columbia College, SC 1.4
Ecclesia 1.3 NAIa
Emmanuel -0.9 D2 could be the next to close.
Finlandia 1.1
Green Mountain 1
Hannibal-La Grange 1.4
Hillsdale free Will Baptist in Moore, Oklahoma 0.8
Hiram 1.1
Howard
Huntington Indiana 1.7
Iowa Wesleyan 0.6
Kansas Christian 1.2
Kentucky Wesleyan 1.3
Keystone College 0.4
Lake Erie 1.3
MidAmerica Nazarene 1.3
Morthland 1.7 in a holding pattern to reformed the school.
Multumuh 0.8
Newberry 1.8
Notre Dame, Ohio 1.6
Ohio Valley -1
Ottawa Kansas 1
Paine 1.7
Pine Manor 1.2
Quincy 1.8
Rochester, Mich. -0.1
St. Joseph's, NY 1.9
Saint Martin's 1.6
Saint Xavier 1.7
Salem International 1.5
Selma 1.9
Shorter 1.3
Sierra Nevada 1.8
Southern Vermont 1.1
Spring Hill 1.4
Sterling 1.9
Thomas More 1.6
U. of Mobile 1.2
Westminster, MO. 1.1
Wheeling Jesuit U.1.5
Wilberforce 1.3

All this are private schools. This does not show how bad the public school's debts are. 3 is perfect record that a lot of d1 and D2 schools have. between 1.5 to 2.0 is on the border of failure. Below 1.5 gets a school a fail grade. A lot of schools that closed in recent years have a fail grade below 1.5 except for Bacone who had a 1.7. People who are saying Howard going to the Big South may have to rethink that they might have to go down to D2 or something. Usually a school's debt decides where a school moves to like Thomas More dropping back down to NAIA. There are chatter that Kentucky Wesleyan would be moving back down to NAIA. So far, only Howard at the D1 level seems to be borderline of moving towards rock bottom. This could be also the next big realignment talks that have to do with the small private schools who have major debt. I think Presbyterian should be on the watch list as well. They are the smallest in D1. Bacone had a similar size enrollment as Presbyterian,
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(05-23-2018 04:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Debt by itself is not an indicator of an entity's likeliness to fail.

Guess we will see in a decade or so.

Maybe Alabama will pay off another schools debt for a year by paying for a football home game.
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