I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Any evidence beyond a feeling? I’m all for speculation but just curious. The next question is whether the American backfills and I think not. They can do a CCG with 10. Anyone else may dilute the conference brand except for Army (football) + either Dayton or VCU or Saint Louis. They could just choose to add a non-football member to go to a clean 20-game round robin. I think Dayton would be the school.

My Bad. The Big 12 East.

Dammit, thought this was real.

I wish.

And if wishes were fishes, we'd all be drunk.

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

(02-17-2019 03:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Any evidence beyond a feeling? I’m all for speculation but just curious. The next question is whether the American backfills and I think not. They can do a CCG with 10. Anyone else may dilute the conference brand except for Army (football) + either Dayton or VCU or Saint Louis. They could just choose to add a non-football member to go to a clean 20-game round robin. I think Dayton would be the school.

Silence of tv negotiations after HUGE talk from Aresco, Memphis AD etc and things I’m hearing out of Houston. Houston is putting in everything on this gamble to get into the big 12. All their chips. Cincinnati fits the profile and has WV’s support.

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

In all honesty, I think Texas and OU regret adding TCU. Even being a small private school, they have managed to funnel away some talent that would normally go to the Big 2. They probably wish they had awarded that spot to Cincinnati when WV was added. That move would have cut in to the Big10 market, much like A&M did for the SEC. And, adding Cincy would have helped preserve more top Texas talent for UT & OU.

I can't see them ever agreeing to add Houston with their size and resources. Houston needs to focus on building their program to the UCF/Boise level, and hope something shacks up the status quo among the P5's.

Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ehhh. ESPN literally just paid the Big12 12 million a year NOT to add any AAC members in 2016. Eliminating the pro-rata clause was part of that deal. So--expanding doesnt make a lot of sense. By the way, a 2 team expansion of the Big12 would net ESPN a whopping 5 extra games. Paying 40 million for 5 games doesnt make much sense to me.

I suspect we are not hearing anything because the current deal prevents the AAC from taking any deal from an outside network that is LESS than ESPN offers in the exclusive negotiating period. Such a clause is of virtually no value if the other bidders know how much ESPN has bid. Leaking that info would probably expose the AAC to legal action.

UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

Well, you are both right. Which explains the delay as I believe that UT and OU are probably negotiating down their exit penalty to zero since the conference will be able to announce these two replacements at the same press conference.

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

However if UT and OU are sticking it out... then as we know the B12 is unanimous about expanding into (City of) Houston, they just can’t agree between UH or Rice.
Prairie View A&M has emerged as the perfect compromise candidate, plus it also brings back the traditional UT Thanksgiving weekend “A&M” game.

(02-17-2019 05:25 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

Well, you are both right. Which explains the delay as I believe that UT and OU are probably negotiating down their exit penalty to zero since the conference will be able to announce these two replacements at the same press conference.

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

However if UT and OU are sticking it out... then as we know the B12 is unanimous about expanding into (City of) Houston, they just can’t agree between UH or Rice.
Prairie View A&M has emerged as the perfect compromise candidate, plus it also brings back the traditional UT Thanksgiving weekend “A&M” game.

I want whatever you're smoking lol

(02-17-2019 05:25 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

Well, you are both right. Which explains the delay as I believe that UT and OU are probably negotiating down their exit penalty to zero since the conference will be able to announce these two replacements at the same press conference.

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

However if UT and OU are sticking it out... then as we know the B12 is unanimous about expanding into (City of) Houston, they just can’t agree between UH or Rice.
Prairie View A&M has emerged as the perfect compromise candidate, plus it also brings back the traditional UT Thanksgiving weekend “A&M” game.

(02-17-2019 05:25 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

Well, you are both right. Which explains the delay as I believe that UT and OU are probably negotiating down their exit penalty to zero since the conference will be able to announce these two replacements at the same press conference.

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

However if UT and OU are sticking it out... then as we know the B12 is unanimous about expanding into (City of) Houston, they just can’t agree between UH or Rice.
Prairie View A&M has emerged as the perfect compromise candidate, plus it also brings back the traditional UT Thanksgiving weekend “A&M” game.

Big 12 is getting A&M back then if it’s Prairie View

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

UT and OU will not leave the Big12 unless they can negotiate a deal where they will be the controlling voice of whatever conference they are joining, and the PAC, BIG10, SEC, and ACC would never allow that. So, UT and OU will continue to hold together the Big12. It is their best option. Together, they hold more power within their conference then any other two schools in any of the other power conferences. And, under this framework, they have a greater likelihood of landing a playoff spot. There is noe logical reason for them to relocate to another power conference. And, there is no logical reason for them to expand the Big12.

I think the best and only real option for Houston is to continue winning, developing facilities, financial resources, and community and fan support.

The AAC is the strongest G5 conference, but not the best possible collection of G5 programs. In it's current form, I think the AAC has too much dead weight at the bottom. In time, I think the strongest G5 programs from across the nation will form a new conference of 10 to 12 teams. It would make sense that this new league would develop near the time when the next contract for playoff payouts and bowl ties come up around 2025. That means athletic departments have about 5 years to position their programs to be included in talks for this new elite G5 conference. Basically, they have to do what Houston is doing. This new elite G5 conference will offer ESPN high quality games in all time zones, and be more valuable than the current AAC. Houston would certainly be among the programs in it. What do you think?

(02-17-2019 06:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UH will never play in the Big 12 as long as UT is in it.

UT and OU will not leave the Big12 unless they can negotiate a deal where they will be the controlling voice of whatever conference they are joining, and the PAC, BIG10, SEC, and ACC would never allow that. So, UT and OU will continue to hold together the Big12. It is their best option. Together, they hold more power within their conference then any other two schools in any of the other power conferences. And, under this framework, they have a greater likelihood of landing a playoff spot. There is noe logical reason for them to relocate to another power conference. And, there is no logical reason for them to expand the Big12.

EGG-xactly,
Why would Gooners/Shorthorns give up their Premo Positions?

Both schools:
—Run the Big 12 (Big T, Little Okie, & the baby 8)
—$$$$$$ Top 10 in Athletic Revenue
—Tiered $$$$ System Heavily Favors Bloomers/Wart Thorns
—Texas Alumni/fans see 8-9 games in the state of Texas each yr
—Texas/OU are a 114 yr old rivalry
That game itself is independently owned, shared, & $$$$
by those 2 schools, around 8 million a piece.
Big 12 receives zero $$$$$ from that game

Big 12 will only expand if added schools can add $$$$$ value.

Only value any current AAC school offers is
Potential fertile recruiting areas
as well as being a very cheap or discounted pick up for the Big 12

Big 12 could stretch out the timetable on any new AAC school
For @ least a 5 to 6 yr period B4 that school would B fully invested in Big 12.
Plenty of time to determine by the new 2025 TV contracts
to decide what the new P5 landscaper will B like as well as what
OU/Texas want to do in terms of future conference affiliation

Whether they move or stay or allow expansion
OU/Texas will only act IF it benefits THEM.

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(02-17-2019 04:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I have a weird feeling that Houston and Cincinnati will be joining the Big 12 North with ISU, KSU, KU & WV. Houston’s incredible money out they butts moves (coach and Arena) and Cincinnati just making too much sense adds to the crickets coming from the AAC espn negotiations right now lead me to this idea. Somethings rotten in Denmark

Ha! Nice try, but it won't happen. The Big12 (Texas & Oklahoma) are not going to expand the conference.

Exactly. Everything out of Austin is no need to expand

Good to see a good David post on a slow day

In all honesty, I think Texas and OU regret adding TCU. Even being a small private school, they have managed to funnel away some talent that would normally go to the Big 2. They probably wish they had awarded that spot to Cincinnati when WV was added. That move would have cut in to the Big10 market, much like A&M did for the SEC. And, adding Cincy would have helped preserve more top Texas talent for UT & OU.

I can't see them ever agreeing to add Houston with their size and resources. Houston needs to focus on building their program to the UCF/Boise level, and hope something shacks up the status quo among the P5's.

If they wanted Cincinnati, they could have added them with Louisville. TCU was given the green light by the TV networks when A&M left. That was what really mattered.