(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:45 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

(02-19-2019 07:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  I'll admit, I was wrong about BYU being rumored only after the merger. It seems there were rumors about the Big 8 for years.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3244...8-SWC.html

Tim Allen, assistant commissioner of the Big Eight, told the Deseret News this morning that no talks are taking place at the conference level, that talks are at the school level and that "this is the time of year when all the rumors and stories pop up." Regarding BYU, he said, "I've been in the Big Eight for 10 years and talks about BYU predated that."

I do maintain they weren't a first choice though, otherwise why didn't it happen? My only guess is the Big XII/ESPN had no interest in UNM as a partner.

There was talk about BYU & New Mexico joining a Big 14 in the mid 90’s

Right, I mentioned that in my response to David St. Apparently, the idea of BYU and the Big 8 predated that.

(02-19-2019 09:34 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  I'll admit, I was wrong about BYU being rumored only after the merger. It seems there were rumors about the Big 8 for years.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3244...8-SWC.html

Tim Allen, assistant commissioner of the Big Eight, told the Deseret News this morning that no talks are taking place at the conference level, that talks are at the school level and that "this is the time of year when all the rumors and stories pop up." Regarding BYU, he said, "I've been in the Big Eight for 10 years and talks about BYU predated that."

I do maintain they weren't a first choice though, otherwise why didn't it happen? My only guess is the Big XII/ESPN had no interest in UNM as a partner.

There was talk about BYU & New Mexico joining a Big 14 in the mid 90’s

What is the Big 14? Can you provide a link to the Big 14, BYU and New Mexico from the mid 90's?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3389...-BYUS.html

Seems I hit the nail on the head, UNM couldn’t bring enough to the table.

I think the Lobos have a ton of potential, but apparently they’ve had some troublesome AD’s and are a bit strapped for cash.

(02-20-2019 05:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 09:34 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  I'll admit, I was wrong about BYU being rumored only after the merger. It seems there were rumors about the Big 8 for years.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3244...8-SWC.html

Tim Allen, assistant commissioner of the Big Eight, told the Deseret News this morning that no talks are taking place at the conference level, that talks are at the school level and that "this is the time of year when all the rumors and stories pop up." Regarding BYU, he said, "I've been in the Big Eight for 10 years and talks about BYU predated that."

I do maintain they weren't a first choice though, otherwise why didn't it happen? My only guess is the Big XII/ESPN had no interest in UNM as a partner.

There was talk about BYU & New Mexico joining a Big 14 in the mid 90’s

What is the Big 14? Can you provide a link to the Big 14, BYU and New Mexico from the mid 90's?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3389...-BYUS.html

Seems I hit the nail on the head, UNM couldn’t bring enough to the table.

I think the Lobos have a ton of potential, but apparently they’ve had some troublesome AD’s and are a bit strapped for cash.

That's my impression. In basketball they've been top 10 in attendance for most of the last 50 years.

Just keep an eye on Texas A&M's revenue. If there is ANY threat of Texas losing their standing, something will be done.

I ran the numbers for the current situation. Unfortunately things have mostly gone south for New Mexico since that article, and I mean the State of New Mexico. It is one of the poorest in the nation. UNM is actually pretty solid as far as faculty go and not too different from schools like OK State, K State and Texas Tech (or Houston) in terms of it's level of research (the legacy of Los Alamos). But it's a poor state in numbers of HS students and Football in general. If the situation was not enough to make the cut in 1990, it is even less so now.

The mention of BYU, who if anything is worth more due to the continued growth of LDS Church is worth noting. BYU was supposedly the top school in the B12 rose ceremony, but LGBT issues hit at the wrong time, and no 2nd was identified. The interest reminds me of the B1G and Nebraska going back decades before they were invited, and Colorado with the Pac before they were invited (also Texas who looks like a permanent pass), and A&M and the SEC.

The loss of CU to the Pac-12 actually helps BYU because Colorado State has grown significantly as an institution since the 1990s, and occupies the same bridge position to partner with BYU in reaching the rapidly growing greater Denver front range market. That BYU and CSU have the 2nd and 4th largest athletic budgets (UConn is the largest, but it is too far away and Basketball focused, and SMU is 3rd but unfortunately occupies the same space as TCU ... CSU's problem for the B12 when CU was a member).

So if the B12 loses Oklahoma and Kansas and maybe Texas, BYU partnered with Colorado State could well be the replacements.

Houston I think has a Baylor and A&M problem, and so long as Texas remains they are probably blocked. Cincinnati is it seems the compromise candidate, does well in every category, but not tops in anything but does bridge West Virginia. Still a nagging birdie in my head tells me Florida is a really important place to be, more important than Denver, so one of USF or UCF (right now it looks like UCF has the inside position) has to be on the list.

Tulane and Rice are more academic than athletic and replacing flagships like UT, OU and KU will likely focus less on private academic schools than on athletic programs. UConn is too far away, Temple doesn't have enough juice, SMU is blocked by TCU being in the exact same market, and unlike FTT I think it's an either or with the Florida twins, not a both or none (so one is out).

Hum, that logic says if you lose 3 schools (UT, OU, KU), your replacement three would be BYU, CSU and UCF, with Cincy the first fall back (Utah's position when the Pac-10 expanded to 12) with Houston the 5th spot (honorable mention, needs the "go west" to be nixed ... very possible given the BYU honor code problem). This will get interesting in about 3 1/2 years.

Stugray2,

If I remember correctly, once WVU and TCU were invited to the Big XII, BYU and Louisville were next in line. BYU was making demands such as keeping BYUtv as a separate package among other things and Chuck Neinas told them to take a hike. If BYU made it that far, GLBT issues and the no Sunday play rule were not factors for the Big XII.

(02-19-2019 02:40 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:35 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:45 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

UCF is actually 2-1. They beat Baylor in 2014 and Auburn 2018 and barely lost to LSU without their QB.

And LSU barely won without almost their entire defense. You can't cherry pick which injuries matter.

Not cherry picking anything. The key word is "barely " because my point was that UCF as the AAC champion represented legitimate competition in the ny6 bowl as more than a "Cinderella " team, just as Houston had done. Outside of losing a Heisman trophy candidate QB the AAC could very well be undefeated in ny6 bowls through its entire ESPN contract.

(02-20-2019 12:37 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:45 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

Why are you comparing Cincy's academic record with the Big 12?

(02-19-2019 07:26 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:45 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 09:19 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 07:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 06:47 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-football/2016...swc-merger

Both of you are wrong. Only OU's Castiglione mentioned Houston as a potential member. The Big 8 wanted to merge with the 8 schools from the SWC but ESPN said no. ESPN only wanted 4 SWC schools and I don't recall any mention of BYU or New Mexico.


According to UT's Chancellor Cunningham, UT, A&M and Texas Tech were safely in the new conference. The last spot was between Baylor and TCU

Baylor and Texas Tech were never in the plans for the Big 12. They were politically motivated additions. Governor Ann "Maw" Richards was a Baylor alum, and Lt. Governor Bob Bullock was a Texas Tech grad. Those two were not going to let Texas and A&M (the two largest public universities in Texas), abandon their alma maters. Had those two not been in charge of Texas at the time of the Big 12's birth, Baylor and Texas Tech would have also spent the past 20+ years struggling for relevance, like TCU, Houston, SMU, and Rice.

Ann Richards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Richards

Bob Bullock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Bullock

You are free to think what you want but Texas Tech made logical sense as the 3rd option to join the Big 12. If you want to argue about Baylor, TCU or UH, be my guest but Texas Tech clearly belonged in the Big 12.

Just curious why a North Texas fan cares 1 way or the other? I think North Texas needs to worry about North Texas.

I don't think North Texas cares, I think he is trying to bring facts into this situation. You know the parts that TTU alums try to suppress in their arguments.
Quick question, if the GoR runs out legally and Texas and Oklahoma decide to leave, do you not expect TTU to sue them for leaving them in the Big 12. So essentially they would be suing 2 schools for taking their ball and going home simply because no other conference has even a remote interest in the poor academics in Lubbock.

You root for the P4 and claim the Big 12 isn't a good fit among power conferences. I have to ask what school you root for? Did you graduate from a P4 school?

For the record, Texas Tech is a well respected University doing more with less. IIRC, being a top 100-200 nationally recognized public University is nothing to look down on unless you went to a "rival" school and want to trash the Big 12 and Texas Tech.

Just sayin

Scooch??? Can you help us out?

(02-20-2019 08:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:37 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:45 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

Why are you comparing Cincy's academic record with the Big 12?

Gee, I don't know, maybe because the title of this thread is "Houston and Cincinnati to the Big 12," and because you responded to another poster's assertion about Cincy's merits by stating, "Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics." Maybe that's why.

any tweets from gregg flemguar of minnesota on this?

(02-20-2019 11:12 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 08:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:37 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2019 04:45 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Cincinnati with two basketball titles academics and facilities at P5 level
Houston P5 history and two final fours facilities and academics that make the cut.
UCF with facilities and academics market and recruiting advantage.
Colorado St and SDSU would be next along with Connecticut .

Access Bowl Houston 1-0
UCF 1-1

BSU and WMU the other two Access bowl spots

Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

Why are you comparing Cincy's academic record with the Big 12?

Gee, I don't know, maybe because the title of this thread is "Houston and Cincinnati to the Big 12," and because you responded to another poster's assertion about Cincy's merits by stating, "Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics." Maybe that's why.

In fairness to the Texas Tech fan, it was Scooch who took a shot
at UC’s academics.

(02-21-2019 05:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:12 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 08:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:37 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

Why are you comparing Cincy's academic record with the Big 12?

Gee, I don't know, maybe because the title of this thread is "Houston and Cincinnati to the Big 12," and because you responded to another poster's assertion about Cincy's merits by stating, "Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics." Maybe that's why.

In fairness to the Texas Tech fan, it was Scooch who took a shot
at UC’s academics.

Sorry, I got lost again, wandering in the endless skein of comments and replies which multiply with each post.

(02-20-2019 05:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 09:34 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  I'll admit, I was wrong about BYU being rumored only after the merger. It seems there were rumors about the Big 8 for years.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3244...8-SWC.html

Tim Allen, assistant commissioner of the Big Eight, told the Deseret News this morning that no talks are taking place at the conference level, that talks are at the school level and that "this is the time of year when all the rumors and stories pop up." Regarding BYU, he said, "I've been in the Big Eight for 10 years and talks about BYU predated that."

I do maintain they weren't a first choice though, otherwise why didn't it happen? My only guess is the Big XII/ESPN had no interest in UNM as a partner.

There was talk about BYU & New Mexico joining a Big 14 in the mid 90’s

What is the Big 14? Can you provide a link to the Big 14, BYU and New Mexico from the mid 90's?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/3389...-BYUS.html

Seems I hit the nail on the head, UNM couldn’t bring enough to the table.

I think the Lobos have a ton of potential, but apparently they’ve had some troublesome AD’s and are a bit strapped for cash.

New Mexico is roughly the population of Nebraska spread across an extra 52,000 square miles with a lower median income. Academically they fit just fine.

BYU doesn't look so wonky geographically with WVU in and they are basically where they need to be in facilities and support. Their honor code isn't dramatically different from Baylor's so there is that.

Cincinnati I think many are selling short. They bring in a presence in southern Ohio and northern Kentucky. They let Big XII battle B1G, ACC, and SEC on their turf, there may be some value to that.

BYU is the most popular program in a state that already has a P5, unfortunately it is a state with roughly the population of Arkansas. Well recognized brand.

Big 12 has some good choices, Big 12 doesn't have GREAT choices but I prefer their situation to Pac-12 where the best choices they have are either in an existing state (SDSU), in a great metro but not perceived a peer in academics (UNLV) or nearly a peer in academics but in a poor low population state (New Mexico) or way out of the footprint (OU and UT).

(02-21-2019 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  New Mexico is roughly the population of Nebraska spread across an extra 52,000 square miles with a lower median income. Academically they fit just fine.


...

Big 12 has some good choices, Big 12 doesn't have GREAT choices but I prefer their situation to Pac-12 where the best choices they have are either in an existing state (SDSU), in a great metro but not perceived a peer in academics (UNLV) or nearly a peer in academics but in a poor low population state (New Mexico) or way out of the footprint (OU and UT).

Sorry, gotta throw the BS flag here.

Using USNWR rankings (yes, I recognize they're not the be all end all, but they'll make the point), here are the Pac-12 schools:

Stanford (#7)
UCLA (#19)
USC (#22)
Cal (#22)
Washington (#59)
Colorado (#96)
Oregon (#102)
Arizona (#106)
Arizona State (#115)
Utah (#119)
Oregon State (#140)
Washington State (#140)

New Mexico (#187)

Your definition of "nearly a peer" is a gigantic stretch, especially when you consider that Nevada (at #201) is closer to New Mexico than New Mexico is to any member of the Pac-12.

In fact, the only Big 12 school in the same USNWR proximity as New Mexico is WVU (#205). Compare that with BYU (#66). Or Cincinnati (#147). Or USF (#124). Or UConn (#63).

USFFan

(02-21-2019 02:30 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  New Mexico is roughly the population of Nebraska spread across an extra 52,000 square miles with a lower median income. Academically they fit just fine.


...

Big 12 has some good choices, Big 12 doesn't have GREAT choices but I prefer their situation to Pac-12 where the best choices they have are either in an existing state (SDSU), in a great metro but not perceived a peer in academics (UNLV) or nearly a peer in academics but in a poor low population state (New Mexico) or way out of the footprint (OU and UT).

Sorry, gotta throw the BS flag here.

Using USNWR rankings (yes, I recognize they're not the be all end all, but they'll make the point), here are the Pac-12 schools:

Stanford (#7)
UCLA (#19)
USC (#22)
Cal (#22)
Washington (#59)
Colorado (#96)
Oregon (#102)
Arizona (#106)
Arizona State (#115)
Utah (#119)
Oregon State (#140)
Washington State (#140)

New Mexico (#187)

Your definition of "nearly a peer" is a gigantic stretch, especially when you consider that Nevada (at #201) is closer to New Mexico than New Mexico is to any member of the Pac-12.

In fact, the only Big 12 school in the same USNWR proximity as New Mexico is WVU (#205). Compare that with BYU (#66). Or Cincinnati (#147). Or USF (#124). Or UConn (#63).

USFFan

Did you need the Heimlich straining that there gnat?

(02-21-2019 02:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:30 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  New Mexico is roughly the population of Nebraska spread across an extra 52,000 square miles with a lower median income. Academically they fit just fine.


...

Big 12 has some good choices, Big 12 doesn't have GREAT choices but I prefer their situation to Pac-12 where the best choices they have are either in an existing state (SDSU), in a great metro but not perceived a peer in academics (UNLV) or nearly a peer in academics but in a poor low population state (New Mexico) or way out of the footprint (OU and UT).

Sorry, gotta throw the BS flag here.

Using USNWR rankings (yes, I recognize they're not the be all end all, but they'll make the point), here are the Pac-12 schools:

Stanford (#7)
UCLA (#19)
USC (#22)
Cal (#22)
Washington (#59)
Colorado (#96)
Oregon (#102)
Arizona (#106)
Arizona State (#115)
Utah (#119)
Oregon State (#140)
Washington State (#140)

New Mexico (#187)

Your definition of "nearly a peer" is a gigantic stretch, especially when you consider that Nevada (at #201) is closer to New Mexico than New Mexico is to any member of the Pac-12.

In fact, the only Big 12 school in the same USNWR proximity as New Mexico is WVU (#205). Compare that with BYU (#66). Or Cincinnati (#147). Or USF (#124). Or UConn (#63).

USFFan

Did you need the Heimlich straining that there gnat?

Gnat? A full 50% of your argument was about how New Mexico was bringing comparable academics! That's half the damn camel!

USFFan

(02-21-2019 05:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:12 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 08:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:37 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:53 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics.

Let's not discount Cincy academics either. Cincy is a lot closer to AAU status than any school in the Big 12 that isn't already a member, and its AAU metrics are higher than those of AAU-member Kansas. Part of the reason Cincy doesn't score higher in USN&WR rankings is due to its cooperative education programs (a concept pioneered at UC), which are five-year majors rather than the typical four-year offerings and thus affect four-year graduation rates. That said, I don't think Cincy would be a good fit with the Big 12. I'd prefer an invitation from the ACC, though I don't imagine that will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's OK as long as we end up ranked in the money sports each year. We're used to doing more with less.

Why are you comparing Cincy's academic record with the Big 12?

Gee, I don't know, maybe because the title of this thread is "Houston and Cincinnati to the Big 12," and because you responded to another poster's assertion about Cincy's merits by stating, "Let's not go too far with the Cincy academics." Maybe that's why.

In fairness to the Texas Tech fan, it was Scooch who took a shot
at UC’s academics.

Thanks. In fairness, I missed the Cincy part of the title.

(02-20-2019 08:50 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:26 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:45 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 09:19 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 07:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Baylor and Texas Tech were never in the plans for the Big 12. They were politically motivated additions. Governor Ann "Maw" Richards was a Baylor alum, and Lt. Governor Bob Bullock was a Texas Tech grad. Those two were not going to let Texas and A&M (the two largest public universities in Texas), abandon their alma maters. Had those two not been in charge of Texas at the time of the Big 12's birth, Baylor and Texas Tech would have also spent the past 20+ years struggling for relevance, like TCU, Houston, SMU, and Rice.

Ann Richards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Richards

Bob Bullock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Bullock

You are free to think what you want but Texas Tech made logical sense as the 3rd option to join the Big 12. If you want to argue about Baylor, TCU or UH, be my guest but Texas Tech clearly belonged in the Big 12.

Just curious why a North Texas fan cares 1 way or the other? I think North Texas needs to worry about North Texas.

I don't think North Texas cares, I think he is trying to bring facts into this situation. You know the parts that TTU alums try to suppress in their arguments.
Quick question, if the GoR runs out legally and Texas and Oklahoma decide to leave, do you not expect TTU to sue them for leaving them in the Big 12. So essentially they would be suing 2 schools for taking their ball and going home simply because no other conference has even a remote interest in the poor academics in Lubbock.

You root for the P4 and claim the Big 12 isn't a good fit among power conferences. I have to ask what school you root for? Did you graduate from a P4 school?

For the record, Texas Tech is a well respected University doing more with less. IIRC, being a top 100-200 nationally recognized public University is nothing to look down on unless you went to a "rival" school and want to trash the Big 12 and Texas Tech.

Just sayin

Scooch??? Can you help us out?

Scooch??? Can you help us out?