Bumpity

He is not wrong.

Brexit was a legal vote for exit from the EU. Now the left is calling for a new vote because they say the elderly people who voted for Brexit the first time are dead so they would win to stay in the EU if a new vote is taken. I heard this with my own ears from Tony Blair.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/1...g-strength

Nobody cares but you. Sorry.

If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

(11-15-2018 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

Please. I could think of no better campaign commercial for Farage to air.

And Macron was running his mouth about building an EU Military. lol.

(11-15-2018 03:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And Macron was running his mouth about building an EU Military. lol.

lol...with what money?

(11-15-2018 03:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

Please. I could think of no better campaign commercial for Farage to air.

I'm fine with him doing it. Farange just got absolutely punked by Merkel, the EU, Macron, and even the Tories. And many of the people voting for Brexit did so with the understanding that this would be orderly and that the UK would be able to keep much of its trade links with the EU in the process. The DUP did so thinking that they'd be able to prevent a border between the 6 counties and Great Britian and institute one between NI and the Republic of Ireland. Many voted for it because they though they'd get more money for the National Health Service. None of that is happening. I don't think that Hard Brexit is nearly as possible as the Brexit attempted to be sold to the UK. Hard Core Brexiteers, are probably around 20-25 of the electorate. Soft Core Brexiteers are 10-15 percent. And everyone else, just wants to undo it.

Basically, the EU has told the Brexiteers....Go for it...do whatever you think you can do. We're going to play hardball.

I suspect that Farange might be able to find some constituency that might put him into parliament (Boston, perhaps?) but, no, UKIP isn't going to have any more control than they do now. Because there isn't a party in the UK that will have anything to do with them.

(11-15-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And Macron was running his mouth about building an EU Military. lol.

lol...with what money?

Germany and the UK, I'm sure.

(11-15-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And Macron was running his mouth about building an EU Military. lol.

lol...with what money?

They don't have deficits anywhere near as bad as ours. An EU military is a good thing. Bad for US defense contractors' bottom line, but a good thing overall.

Trump hasn't convinced the EU to form their own military out of demanding them to pay their 'fair share' but by his open support of people who want to harm the cause of freedom and democracy.

Either way, it will be nice to have another major military that can step into conflicts.

(11-15-2018 03:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm fine with him doing it. Farange just got absolutely punked by Merkel, the EU, Macron, and even the Tories. And many of the people voting for Brexit did so with the understanding that this would be orderly and that the UK would be able to keep much of its trade links with the EU in the process. The DUP did so thinking that they'd be able to prevent a border between the 6 counties and Great Britian and institute one between NI and the Republic of Ireland. Many voted for it because they though they'd get more money for the National Health Service. None of that is happening. I don't think that Hard Brexit is nearly as possible as the Brexit attempted to be sold to the UK. Hard Core Brexiteers, are probably around 20-25 of the electorate. Soft Core Brexiteers are 10-15 percent. And everyone else, just wants to undo it.

Basically, the EU has told the Brexiteers....Go for it...do whatever you think you can do. We're going to play hardball.

I suspect that Farange might be able to find some constituency that might put him into parliament (Boston, perhaps?) but, no, UKIP isn't going to have any more control than they do now. Because there isn't a party in the UK that will have anything to do with them.

The person "punked" here was Theresa May. Who is done as PM. And keep in mind the head of opposition -- Corbyn -- is just as much a Euroskeptic as Farage is. The UK in the EU is done one way or another. The Tories went in half hearted and refusing to demonstrate leverage. As a result they'll start being consumed by UKIP domestically now too.

(11-15-2018 03:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They don't have deficits anywhere near as bad as ours. An EU military is a good thing. Bad for US defense contractors' bottom line, but a good thing overall.

Trump hasn't convinced the EU to form their own military out of demanding them to pay their 'fair share' but by his open support of people who want to harm the cause of freedom and democracy.

Either way, it will be nice to have another major military that can step into conflicts.

This post demonstrates a catastrophic lack of understanding of European geopolitics followed closely by a catastrophic lack of understanding of world history.

Let's cut through all this bullsh*t and get directly to the bottom line: an EU military is about forcing people to stay in as much as it is about any hypothetical checking of power from abroad. If the EU does create a military there will be bloodshed again in continental Europe. Mark. My. Words.

(11-15-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And Macron was running his mouth about building an EU Military. lol.

lol...with what money?

Mommy merkel

(11-15-2018 03:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm fine with him doing it. Farange just got absolutely punked by Merkel, the EU, Macron, and even the Tories. And many of the people voting for Brexit did so with the understanding that this would be orderly and that the UK would be able to keep much of its trade links with the EU in the process. The DUP did so thinking that they'd be able to prevent a border between the 6 counties and Great Britian and institute one between NI and the Republic of Ireland. Many voted for it because they though they'd get more money for the National Health Service. None of that is happening. I don't think that Hard Brexit is nearly as possible as the Brexit attempted to be sold to the UK. Hard Core Brexiteers, are probably around 20-25 of the electorate. Soft Core Brexiteers are 10-15 percent. And everyone else, just wants to undo it.

Basically, the EU has told the Brexiteers....Go for it...do whatever you think you can do. We're going to play hardball.

I suspect that Farange might be able to find some constituency that might put him into parliament (Boston, perhaps?) but, no, UKIP isn't going to have any more control than they do now. Because there isn't a party in the UK that will have anything to do with them.

The person "punked" here was Theresa May. Who is done as PM. And keep in mind the head of opposition -- Corbyn -- is just as much a Euroskeptic as Farage is. The UK in the EU is done one way or another. The Tories went in half hearted and refusing to demonstrate leverage. As a result they'll start being consumed by UKIP domestically now too.

Jeremy Corbyn is thought to be an Euroskeptic. However, he knows that he'll never get into power if he acts on it, and will never keep it if he does so once in power.

Labour rank and file is much more of a 'remain' camp.

Either way, Corbyn might do a "Brexit" that really means the UK leaves in nothing but name.

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You might be correct that the Tories might get consumed with them splitting into the

Economic Conservative/Globalist wing
UKIP/non-PC/nativist/Brexit at all cost wing

My guess is that the UKIP wing would take around 30 percent of the Tory vote. The UKIP also has major problems with people who are repelled by their nativism and what some call bigotry.

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I think that the only way UKIP actually gets anywhere is if there's a five way split in the constituencies that allows them to take a majority. That's unlikely.

May and Corbyn would work together to stop anything with Farange. As would the SNP and the Lib Dems.

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Sure, there will be an ugly election in the UK coming up, but unless the Big 4 parties (Tories, SNP, LibDems, and Labour) shoot themselves in the foot...Farange has little chance.

(11-15-2018 03:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

Please. I could think of no better campaign commercial for Farage to air.

Brits are not like the French who surrender at the first signs of resistance.

(11-15-2018 03:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

Please. I could think of no better campaign commercial for Farage to air.

I'm fine with him doing it. Farange just got absolutely punked by Merkel, the EU, Macron, and even the Tories. And many of the people voting for Brexit did so with the understanding that this would be orderly and that the UK would be able to keep much of its trade links with the EU in the process. The DUP did so thinking that they'd be able to prevent a border between the 6 counties and Great Britian and institute one between NI and the Republic of Ireland. Many voted for it because they though they'd get more money for the National Health Service. None of that is happening. I don't think that Hard Brexit is nearly as possible as the Brexit attempted to be sold to the UK. Hard Core Brexiteers, are probably around 20-25 of the electorate. Soft Core Brexiteers are 10-15 percent. And everyone else, just wants to undo it.

Basically, the EU has told the Brexiteers....Go for it...do whatever you think you can do. We're going to play hardball.

I suspect that Farange might be able to find some constituency that might put him into parliament (Boston, perhaps?) but, no, UKIP isn't going to have any more control than they do now. Because there isn't a party in the UK that will have anything to do with them.

The EU is trying to make it difficult. It doesn't have to be so difficult if there is good faith. All the more reason to leave.

(11-15-2018 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They don't have deficits anywhere near as bad as ours. An EU military is a good thing. Bad for US defense contractors' bottom line, but a good thing overall.

Trump hasn't convinced the EU to form their own military out of demanding them to pay their 'fair share' but by his open support of people who want to harm the cause of freedom and democracy.

Either way, it will be nice to have another major military that can step into conflicts.

This post demonstrates a catastrophic lack of understanding of European geopolitics followed closely by a catastrophic lack of understanding of world history.

Let's cut through all this bullsh*t and get directly to the bottom line: an EU military is about forcing people to stay in as much as it is about any hypothetical checking of power from abroad. If the EU does create a military there will be bloodshed again in continental Europe. Mark. My. Words.

People aren't being forced to remain....they're being lied to in order to be induced to leave. I don't think that if Hungary or Poland decided to say "we're leaving" that the EU would do anything but say 'good riddance'. What the nativists want is all the benefits of globalized first world economy without any of the things that make those economies possible.

The impact of Trump's bullying of the EU over funding and non-support for nativism/Putin's agenda did not result in EU compliance with Trumps agenda, but rather the creation of a military framework where the USA can only ask for their help, not demand it by virtue of control via NATO.

The EU feels it needs its own option to defend itself from Russia, because they, rightly, feel that Trump wouldn't bother to honor his commitment under the Atlantic Charter.

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The next war, which sadly will be not long in coming, is the proximate result of the end of a worldwide system of human rights and consensus. When Putin can set off dirty bombs in British towns with impunity, when Saudi Arabia can kill journalists with impunity, when China can lock up a Million people in camps with impunity, when Russia can invade Georgia and Ukraine with impunity, then instead of resolving differences within a peaceful framework, the only thing to do to a threat.....is to take it down.

At least now, the forces of freedom are finally, FINALLY, stopping to ignore the treat of authoritarianism.

The EU is trying to bully Britain.

The EU is basically a trade federation. They've thrown more and more into it, but its basically a European NAFTA. How hard was it to end NAFTA?

The reasons for leaving are more clear than ever. I imagine most of the leave people are more determined than ever to leave.

(11-15-2018 03:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If I'm Angela Merkel, I'd just respond with the terms of the Brexit deal. LOL.

Please. I could think of no better campaign commercial for Farage to air.

I'm fine with him doing it. Farange just got absolutely punked by Merkel, the EU, Macron, and even the Tories. And many of the people voting for Brexit did so with the understanding that this would be orderly and that the UK would be able to keep much of its trade links with the EU in the process. The DUP did so thinking that they'd be able to prevent a border between the 6 counties and Great Britian and institute one between NI and the Republic of Ireland. Many voted for it because they though they'd get more money for the National Health Service. None of that is happening. I don't think that Hard Brexit is nearly as possible as the Brexit attempted to be sold to the UK. Hard Core Brexiteers, are probably around 20-25 of the electorate. Soft Core Brexiteers are 10-15 percent. And everyone else, just wants to undo it.

Basically, the EU has told the Brexiteers....Go for it...do whatever you think you can do. We're going to play hardball.

I suspect that Farange might be able to find some constituency that might put him into parliament (Boston, perhaps?) but, no, UKIP isn't going to have any more control than they do now. Because there isn't a party in the UK that will have anything to do with them.

The EU is trying to make it difficult. It doesn't have to be so difficult if there is good faith. All the more reason to leave.

Of course the EU isn't going to help UK nativists destroy their union. Duh. No one in the Putin/Orban/Dudej/Pegida/LePen/UKIP/BNP framework has ever acted in good faith.

Now, you're actually going to see a much more active EU dealing with the nativists. The EU is no longer willing to allow people bent on destroying it to take advantage of its benefits.