Well I guess it's not off-topic (hopefully) when the Red Sox play.

Call me old-fashioned but I can't stand the new concept of 'bullpenning' (pitching a key game in the playoffs by bullpen committee, even though you have a completely rested starting pitching staff). The A's did it last night against the Yankees (it failed), and now the Brewers are doing it in game 1 of the NLDS today.

Christian Woodruff pitched 3 hitless innings for Milwaukee (48 pitches) but he was replaced in the 4th inning because it's a 'bullpenning' game. I just don't understand how this strategy sets up you to compete in a 5-game divisional series (or 7 game series for that matter).

I mean, I understand doing it when you have no other options but not today.....

(10-04-2018 05:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well I guess it's not off-topic (hopefully) when the Red Sox play.

Call me old-fashioned but I can't stand the new concept of 'bullpenning' (pitching a key game in the playoffs by bullpen committee, even though you have a completely rested starting pitching staff). The A's did it last night against the Yankees (it failed), and now the Brewers are doing it in game 1 of the NLDS today.

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I mean, I understand doing it when you have no other options but not today.....

The A's have lost, what, 10 starters this year to injury? I'd say they had no other options.

And the Brewers have held the Rockies to 1 hit through 6 so I'd say the method was pretty effective. Brewers have an ok starting staff but their bullpen is lights out.

Stros win 7-2.

Sox up 5-0 in the 4th on the Evil Galactic Empire.

I think Holt is our only Rice guy in the playoffs and he has not yet been in the lineup.

(10-04-2018 05:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well I guess it's not off-topic (hopefully) when the Red Sox play.

Call me old-fashioned but I can't stand the new concept of 'bullpenning' (pitching a key game in the playoffs by bullpen committee, even though you have a completely rested starting pitching staff). The A's did it last night against the Yankees (it failed), and now the Brewers are doing it in game 1 of the NLDS today.

Christian Woodruff pitched 3 hitless innings for Milwaukee (48 pitches) but he was replaced in the 4th inning because it's a 'bullpenning' game. I just don't understand how this strategy sets up you to compete in a 5-game divisional series (or 7 game series for that matter).

I mean, I understand doing it when you have no other options but not today.....

Its not really new. Billy Beane was championing this 15 years ago. He actually wanted it de rigeuer for the team, and said that the only thing preventing it was entrenched norms and contract structures (i.e. way too many items like SO nos., innings pitched, games won, games started bonuses going away) stood in the way.

When I read that so many years ago, I remember the article pointed as well to a study on arm recovery time, and that it was not linear. Thus the 'arm health' of your staff over time was dramatically increased. Additionally, it did not allow opponents the ability to see a pitcher three times in game and get a bead on him. If you went with a 3 inning cap, odds are that any one pitcher wouldnt be seen twice by the majority of the opponent team in that game.

Frankly, I wonder why some 'saber guru' team hasnt done this by now.

If you think about it, the cost savings could be enormous for the first couple of teams that go down this path.

(10-07-2018 08:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 05:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well I guess it's not off-topic (hopefully) when the Red Sox play.

Call me old-fashioned but I can't stand the new concept of 'bullpenning' (pitching a key game in the playoffs by bullpen committee, even though you have a completely rested starting pitching staff). The A's did it last night against the Yankees (it failed), and now the Brewers are doing it in game 1 of the NLDS today.

Christian Woodruff pitched 3 hitless innings for Milwaukee (48 pitches) but he was replaced in the 4th inning because it's a 'bullpenning' game. I just don't understand how this strategy sets up you to compete in a 5-game divisional series (or 7 game series for that matter).

I mean, I understand doing it when you have no other options but not today.....

Its not really new. Billy Beane was championing this 15 years ago. He actually wanted it de rigeuer for the team, and said that the only thing preventing it was entrenched norms and contract structures (i.e. way too many items like SO nos., innings pitched, games won, games started bonuses going away) stood in the way.

When I read that so many years ago, I remember the article pointed as well to a study on arm recovery time, and that it was not linear. Thus the 'arm health' of your staff over time was dramatically increased. Additionally, it did not allow opponents the ability to see a pitcher three times in game and get a bead on him. If you went with a 3 inning cap, odds are that any one pitcher wouldnt be seen twice by the majority of the opponent team in that game.

Frankly, I wonder why some 'saber guru' team hasnt done this by now.

If you think about it, the cost savings could be enormous for the first couple of teams that go down this path.

15 years ago, Billy Beane had Zito, Hudson, Muldour and Haren as starting pitchers.

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 05:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well I guess it's not off-topic (hopefully) when the Red Sox play.

Call me old-fashioned but I can't stand the new concept of 'bullpenning' (pitching a key game in the playoffs by bullpen committee, even though you have a completely rested starting pitching staff). The A's did it last night against the Yankees (it failed), and now the Brewers are doing it in game 1 of the NLDS today.

Christian Woodruff pitched 3 hitless innings for Milwaukee (48 pitches) but he was replaced in the 4th inning because it's a 'bullpenning' game. I just don't understand how this strategy sets up you to compete in a 5-game divisional series (or 7 game series for that matter).

I mean, I understand doing it when you have no other options but not today.....

Its not really new. Billy Beane was championing this 15 years ago. He actually wanted it de rigeuer for the team, and said that the only thing preventing it was entrenched norms and contract structures (i.e. way too many items like SO nos., innings pitched, games won, games started bonuses going away) stood in the way.

When I read that so many years ago, I remember the article pointed as well to a study on arm recovery time, and that it was not linear. Thus the 'arm health' of your staff over time was dramatically increased. Additionally, it did not allow opponents the ability to see a pitcher three times in game and get a bead on him. If you went with a 3 inning cap, odds are that any one pitcher wouldnt be seen twice by the majority of the opponent team in that game.

Frankly, I wonder why some 'saber guru' team hasnt done this by now.

If you think about it, the cost savings could be enormous for the first couple of teams that go down this path.

15 years ago, Billy Beane had Zito, Hudson, Muldour and Haren as starting pitchers.

I still don't understand the issue.

Unless you believe the coach is intentionally throwing the game, if a group of people can achieve what a single starter can and you have the results to show it.. whats the issue?

(Quoting you but not directed at your response)

Holt in the lineup tonight for the Red Sox in pretty much a must-win for them.

Astros looking good for a sweep.

(10-08-2018 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Holt in the lineup tonight for the Red Sox in pretty much a must-win for them.

Astros looking good for a sweep.

??? It's no more a must-win for the Red Sox as it is for the Yankees.

(10-08-2018 03:35 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Holt in the lineup tonight for the Red Sox in pretty much a must-win for them.

Astros looking good for a sweep.

??? It's no more a must-win for the Red Sox as it is for the Yankees.

I guess FBO could be referring to the fact that if the Sox were to lose tonight, they'd face elimination on the road where as the Yankees would face elimination at home.

(10-08-2018 04:04 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 03:35 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Holt in the lineup tonight for the Red Sox in pretty much a must-win for them.

Astros looking good for a sweep.

??? It's no more a must-win for the Red Sox as it is for the Yankees.

I guess FBO could be referring to the fact that if the Sox were to lose tonight, they'd face elimination on the road where as the Yankees would face elimination at home.

Yes, but the Yankees would then have to go back to Boston for the deciding Game 5. Bottom line-- whomever wins tonight is in the drivers seat.

Sox up 3-0. B3

Holt with an amazing defensive gem to pretty much kill the Yankees rally. And then he leads off the next inning with a single. I think he's starting game 4 too, regardless if the Yanks throw a lefty or not.

(10-08-2018 08:02 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Holt with an amazing defensive gem to pretty much kill the Yankees rally. And then he leads off the next inning with a single. I think he's starting game 4 too, regardless if the Yanks throw a lefty or not.

Brock scored after that single .... and the Sox bat around ... and Holt lines a 2-RBI triple into the right-field corner!

10-0, Boston, heading to B4.

Boston up 10-0 in the 4th of Game 3. I hope it goes 5 games and the Yankees burn all their pitchers.

(10-08-2018 08:25 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:02 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Holt with an amazing defensive gem to pretty much kill the Yankees rally. And then he leads off the next inning with a single. I think he's starting game 4 too, regardless if the Yanks throw a lefty or not.

Brock scored after that single .... and the Sox bat around ... and Holt lines a 2-RBI triple into the right-field corner!

10-0, Boston, heading to B4.

Good for Rice. Good for the Sox. Good for me !

Holt is 2-4 with 1 run and 2 RBI.

Sox lead the yankees 11-1. B7

Holt schooling the Yanks. 3-5 and 3 RBIs now.

(10-08-2018 09:49 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Holt schooling the Yanks. 3-5 and 3 RBIs now.

12-1 Sox....and Boston fans are tweeting "brocktober". You know, I think Boston fans love their Brockstar even more than the Nats fans love their Rendon, who continues to go largely unappreciated. Of course, Boston has long loved their "working class" players, and Brock is the epitome of that, and a great teammate to boot.

(10-08-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 09:49 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Holt schooling the Yanks. 3-5 and 3 RBIs now.

12-1 Sox....and Boston fans are tweeting "brocktober". You know, I think Boston fans love their Brockstar even more than the Nats fans love their Rendon, who continues to go largely unappreciated. Of course, Boston has long loved their "working class" players, and Brock is the epitome of that, and a great teammate to boot.

16-1. Brock Holt homers.

#Brocktober