(08-06-2018 12:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Alex Jones is free to wire the entire country for internet and invest 10s of billions into social networking platforms so that he can have a voice. No need for regulations. See the free market works. LOL.
The hoops you have to jump through to support your political opponents being silenced
Under this logic, AT&T and Verizon are free to intercept and block any call you try to make, and you're free to launch your own satellites if you don't like it.
Actually that's what the left has been screaming about when has come to net neutrality removal, the allowing of groups like Sinclair to monopolize media markets, the banning of local governments (who would have a far lower right to discriminate) from creating their own ISPs in many areas, and other FCC unfair practices.
Welcome to the club. Can I sign you up for the Berkeley Anti-Capitalism Collective, now that you appear to be open to modest regulation.....oops I mean socialism.
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2018 01:13 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(08-06-2018 12:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Alex Jones is free to wire the entire country for internet and invest 10s of billions into social networking platforms so that he can have a voice. No need for regulations. See the free market works. LOL.
The hoops you have to jump through to support your political opponents being silenced
Under this logic, AT&T and Verizon are free to intercept and block any call you try to make, and you're free to launch your own satellites if you don't like it.
Actually that's EXACTLY what the left has been screaming about.
What are you talking about? The left has been applauding it for the last half dozen years since the Obama administration started doing it.
(08-06-2018 01:09 PM)bullet Wrote: I'm guessing this triggered Facebook: https://www.infowars.com/facebook-asks-u...ngagement/
"Facebook Inc has asked large U.S. banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, as part of an effort to offer new services to users, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
The financial information asked from the banks include card transactions and checking account balances, according to the report.
Facebook, which is trying to deepen user engagement, has asked JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo & Co, Citigroup Inc and U.S. Bancorp to discuss potential offerings it could host for bank customers on Facebook Messenger, the newspaper reported...."
Facebook is more concerned with the bad press they're getting from allowing their companies to become platforms for Jones and others. There's also a liability issue too. Remember, fb operates in countries with FAR more stringent libel laws.
Besides, I thought private companies had a sacrosanct right to 'control the content and message' of products offered.
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2018 01:17 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(08-06-2018 12:13 PM)Kronke Wrote: He had been on Youtube since the beginning, over 13 years. 2.5 million subscribers. Gold-level, verified, partner creator. Why all of a sudden?
What's more likely -- that he just recently crossed some arbitrary line, or these tech firms are cracking down on right-of-center speech in attempt to meddle in the upcoming elections?
That's the sick thing, you brainwashed leftists will support this because you see it as a "win".
It's most likely about the Sandy Hook family. And when you just make **** up, you have to face the consequences. Sorry Al. You made this bed.
The sandy hook families claimed he sent people to their houses to harass them. He never did any such thing.
What happens if/when he WINS those lawsuits? Many of them have already been dismissed, very hard to prove defamation.
Irrelevant to my point really. You're not denying that he just made this **** up about them being complicit in a fabricated massacre, are you?
Show me a clip, and explain what law he broke and/or how he violated the TOS. I find it odd that speech that had been on Youtube for the past 6+ years is suddenly worthy of a permanent ban. This was calculated and political.
You don't care, though, because it's a "win" for your "team".
On the contrary, if the Young Turks were banned tomorrow for "hate speech", I'd have the exact same opinion about them as I do about Infowars.
First, I never said he violated any terms of service. I only gave you a possible explanation which you asked for, right?
And did they permanent ban him or just take down a few of his podcasts?
Finally, my only side here is truth. Truth and Al are polar opposites. Personally, I don't think they should ban him at all. The world needs to see this kind of stupidity, vitriol and dishonesty.
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2018 01:18 PM by Redwingtom.)
(08-06-2018 12:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Alex Jones is free to wire the entire country for internet and invest 10s of billions into social networking platforms so that he can have a voice. No need for regulations. See the free market works. LOL.
The hoops you have to jump through to support your political opponents being silenced
Under this logic, AT&T and Verizon are free to intercept and block any call you try to make, and you're free to launch your own satellites if you don't like it.
Actually that's what the left has been screaming about when has come to net neutrality removal, the allowing of groups like Sinclair to monopolize media markets, the banning of local governments (who would have a far lower right to discriminate) from creating their own ISPs in many areas, and other FCC unfair practices.
Welcome to the club. Can I sign you up for the Berkeley Anti-Capitalism Collective, now that you appear to be open to modest regulation.....oops I mean socialism.
You are free to offer one, just one will do, of any hating, violent leftist group that has been treated in this manner by these social media companies.
You. Can’t.
They even host Al Quida, Antifa and scores of others on their precious platform.
I am proud that I have never joined any of this crap.
(08-06-2018 01:13 PM)Kronke Wrote: Another real liberal's take.
Unlike resident, authoritarian alt-leftists.
Tim Pool combines far right anti-globalism with anti-capitalist socialism. Not really a liberal. He appears to be more of an alt righter to me, albeit one that has an odd economic agenda. He also appears to be rather in favor of Russian foreign policy objectives.
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2018 01:22 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(08-06-2018 01:13 PM)Kronke Wrote: Another real liberal's take.
Unlike resident, authoritarian alt-leftists.
Tim Pool combines far right anti-globalism with anti-capitalist socialism. Not really a liberal. He appears to be more of an alt righter to me, albeit one that has an odd economic agenda.
He's a Bernie Sanders supporter.
Hard for you lefters to realize one of your own actually has standards.
Jones and Infowars banned while Antifa and The Nation of Islam are allowed to continue.
Quote:Among them, a page called “Kill Trump,” and dozens of global pages for the registered domestic terrorist group Antifa, which have made unchallenged posts supporting violence.
“It’s Going Down” is one such prominent Antifa page. Beyond featuring violent imagery of President Donald Trump being attacked, it includes training and information on attacking critical infrastructure targets. “It’s Going Down” seems to be lower on Facebook’s list of “glorying violence” than InfoWars.
(08-06-2018 01:09 PM)bullet Wrote: I'm guessing this triggered Facebook: https://www.infowars.com/facebook-asks-u...ngagement/
"Facebook Inc has asked large U.S. banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, as part of an effort to offer new services to users, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
The financial information asked from the banks include card transactions and checking account balances, according to the report.
Facebook, which is trying to deepen user engagement, has asked JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo & Co, Citigroup Inc and U.S. Bancorp to discuss potential offerings it could host for bank customers on Facebook Messenger, the newspaper reported...."
Facebook is more concerned with the bad press they're getting from allowing their companies to become platforms for Jones and others. There's also a liability issue too. Remember, fb operates in countries with FAR more stringent libel laws.
Besides, I thought private companies had a sacrosanct right to 'control the content and message' of products offered.
In other words, they are succumbing to pressure from far left media. So they need to get pressure from the other side. Its time to apply, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."
They all ban him within 12 hours of each other. Its clearly a coordinated effort. There's nothing he's come up with recently that is particularly outrageous, let alone by his standards.
(08-06-2018 12:48 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Neither Youtube, nor Facebook, nor Apple have any obligation to promote and market view they find offensive or just bat sh(t insane. They are private companies.
they're oligopolies subject to regulation ...
CARTEL KINGPINS
Again, take it up with Alex Azar, the man DJT put in charge of the internet if you have any questions.
No net neutrality. No requirement for private businesses to treat all customers equally or to serve all customers.
Did you guys think that all of Trump's and the GOP's gutting of regulations were only going to hurt our side? Alex Jones is free to wire the entire country for internet and invest 10s of billions into social networking platforms so that he can have a voice. No need for regulations. See the free market works. LOL.
(08-06-2018 01:13 PM)Kronke Wrote: Another real liberal's take.
Unlike resident, authoritarian alt-leftists.
Tim Pool combines far right anti-globalism with anti-capitalist socialism. Not really a liberal. He appears to be more of an alt righter to me, albeit one that has an odd economic agenda. He also appears to be rather in favor of Russian foreign policy objectives.
(08-06-2018 01:09 PM)bullet Wrote: I'm guessing this triggered Facebook: https://www.infowars.com/facebook-asks-u...ngagement/
"Facebook Inc has asked large U.S. banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, as part of an effort to offer new services to users, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
The financial information asked from the banks include card transactions and checking account balances, according to the report.
Facebook, which is trying to deepen user engagement, has asked JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo & Co, Citigroup Inc and U.S. Bancorp to discuss potential offerings it could host for bank customers on Facebook Messenger, the newspaper reported...."
Facebook is more concerned with the bad press they're getting from allowing their companies to become platforms for Jones and others. There's also a liability issue too. Remember, fb operates in countries with FAR more stringent libel laws.
Besides, I thought private companies had a sacrosanct right to 'control the content and message' of products offered.
In other words, they are succumbing to pressure from far left media. So they need to get pressure from the other side. Its time to apply, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."
They all ban him within 12 hours of each other. Its clearly a coordinated effort. There's nothing he's come up with recently that is particularly outrageous, let alone by his standards.
The left has been openly calling for these companies to cease being platforms for Alex Jones' misinformation for a while. They're not doing in secret.
Alex Jones is a twat. There's a supreme difference between having the freedom of speech and spreading misinformation, peddling conspiracy theories, coordinating targeted harassment towards victims of mass tragedies, and doing it all to profit off of website traffic and ad space. Cry about it all you want, but this is what Alex Jones is guilty of, and this is why he is being removed from these platforms. Anyone who follows and accepts Jones' vitriol as fact is a hair-brained dingus who is probably also a flat-earther.
Jones has opinions and ideas. His ideas and opinions threaten the straw hut much of this world is built on. However, all they did was create about 10 million Alex Jones today. Gonna suck to be them.
Apple, Youtube, Google, etc.... are running an unlawful monopoly and need to have charges brought against them for violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.
(08-06-2018 01:47 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Alex Jones is a twat. There's a supreme difference between having the freedom of speech and spreading misinformation, peddling conspiracy theories, coordinating targeted harassment towards victims of mass tragedies, and doing it all to profit off of website traffic and ad space. Cry about it all you want, but this is what Alex Jones is guilty of, and this is why he is being removed from these platforms. Anyone who follows and accepts Jones' vitriol as fact is a hair-brained dingus who is probably also a flat-earther.
Almost everything you made a point of could be said about the MSM.
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Coordinated Purge: Infowars Simultaneously Banned From Youtube, Apple, & Facebook
