(06-13-2018 04:54 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  Some potential reasons in no particular order:

1. Hyphenated name appears to take a back seat to the recently accepted "Louisiana" Ragin' Cajuns naming convention

2. Less funding than most

3. Low enrollment

4. Smaller fan base

5. Publications discussing ULM dropping to FCS

I actually like the Louisiana-Monroe name. I feel like their rebranding efforts over the past decade have done wonders. Is it a household name? No... but that monster upset over #8 Arkansas a few years ago put the "Louisiana-Monroe" name on the map.

(06-13-2018 07:28 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:25 PM)Golota76 Wrote:  ULM SBC record is over 40% and I’m not saying that to brag. With all these faults ULM still manages to win not half but almost half of its conference games. We suck so bad y’all should be ashamed losing to us .

We have learned to do a lot more with a lot less. One good thing is we haven't accrued a lot of debt!! LOL

In 2016, ULM only depended on 33% of their subsidies to finance the athletic department, which is the lowest in the Sun Belt.

So ULM is certainly doing a good job of not stretching themselves thin financially.

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Agreed. From what I have heard, GS has tried to schedule some of the lower tier P5's but they won't take the deal. We had a chance when we played Colorado State, but got them during a down year for us and got beat. We were close against Oregon State. But other than that, all the other P5's that I remember are more of the higher tier SEC and ACC schools. We've given several really good scares (UGA, GT, NC ST, FSU) but end the end could not hold on to the W.

(06-14-2018 07:22 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Agreed. From what I have heard, GS has tried to schedule some of the lower tier P5's but they won't take the deal. We had a chance when we played Colorado State, but got them during a down year for us and got beat. We were close against Oregon State. But other than that, all the other P5's that I remember are more of the higher tier SEC and ACC schools. We've given several really good scares (UGA, GT, NC ST, FSU) but end the end could not hold on to the W.

If we are talking P5 wins, then there shouldn't be any sub-categories. Most of us would love to be able to schedule home and home deals with lower level P5 and win them both. The Wake deal fell into our laps and we sure didn't complain. Being able to beat them both years was a bonus, especially seeing how that coaching staff squandered 2012, both in recruiting and misuse of talent. We should have been back to a bowl game in 2013 and we had the defense and the QB to get us to a bowl game in 2014. Berry and Farmer killed us.

(06-14-2018 08:14 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:22 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Agreed. From what I have heard, GS has tried to schedule some of the lower tier P5's but they won't take the deal. We had a chance when we played Colorado State, but got them during a down year for us and got beat. We were close against Oregon State. But other than that, all the other P5's that I remember are more of the higher tier SEC and ACC schools. We've given several really good scares (UGA, GT, NC ST, FSU) but end the end could not hold on to the W.

If we are talking P5 wins, then there shouldn't be any sub-categories. Most of us would love to be able to schedule home and home deals with lower level P5 and win them both. The Wake deal fell into our laps and we sure didn't complain. Being able to beat them both years was a bonus, especially seeing how that coaching staff squandered 2012, both in recruiting and misuse of talent. We should have been back to a bowl game in 2013 and we had the defense and the QB to get us to a bowl game in 2014. Berry and Farmer killed us.

There is a sub P5. We can win against those teams. My comments were not to put down anyone. Glad to see any win vs the Wake's but they are not Alabama or Oklahoma. Just wish we would schedule lower p5's at State. I do think our general success in recent years has hurt us with a home and home with the likes of Wakes, Kansas State, and such.

(06-14-2018 08:30 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:14 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:22 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Agreed. From what I have heard, GS has tried to schedule some of the lower tier P5's but they won't take the deal. We had a chance when we played Colorado State, but got them during a down year for us and got beat. We were close against Oregon State. But other than that, all the other P5's that I remember are more of the higher tier SEC and ACC schools. We've given several really good scares (UGA, GT, NC ST, FSU) but end the end could not hold on to the W.

If we are talking P5 wins, then there shouldn't be any sub-categories. Most of us would love to be able to schedule home and home deals with lower level P5 and win them both. The Wake deal fell into our laps and we sure didn't complain. Being able to beat them both years was a bonus, especially seeing how that coaching staff squandered 2012, both in recruiting and misuse of talent. We should have been back to a bowl game in 2013 and we had the defense and the QB to get us to a bowl game in 2014. Berry and Farmer killed us.

There is a sub P5. We can win against those teams. My comments were not to put down anyone. Glad to see any win vs the Wake's but they are not Alabama or Oklahoma. Just wish we would schedule lower p5's at State. I do think our general success in recent years has hurt us with a home and home with the likes of Wakes, Kansas State, and such.

Not sure if the "bidding war" that seems to be going on now will help or hurt. ULM is getting paid $2.7 million for TAMU and Ole Miss. The bigger P5s keep upping the ante and the G5 keep demanding more. Can the smaller P5 schools keep up? Perhaps it will mean more home and home games with the Wakes and Vandys of the P5 world. I would love to see that, especially for ULM. The extra home game sure would help with scheduling and the chance to compete with the lower end of those conferences probably provide a better measuring stick

I think ULM does as good a job of doing more with less than most schools.

The question, and I think it's a legitimate one, is how they are going to be able to sustain?

Their budget is the smallest in the FBS by a wide margin, and it's getting wider.
While they are beginning to do something with their facilities, they are way way behind.
They have a president who does not understand, or care about, athletics.
They are terribly understaffed.
Their coaches are grossly underpaid.

These simply are facts.

I think when it comes to football, ULM is getting, from a success standpoint, a lot of bang for their buck. But athletic success is not defined by an occasional P5 win. ULM was very good in the Kolton Browning years. Evans could give them more success but that's just speculation.

Other than that, they've been able to compete, but not able to win much, in conference.

And, while football has had its moments, their other sports have not. Not with any sort of consistency, anyway.

They've done a nice job treading water during tough times. But can they survive without at least doubling their athletic budget.

I believe that is a legitimate concern.

(06-13-2018 05:05 PM)T2003 Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

That's all they have ever done though... (+ 1 bowl game appearance) but... lowest budget, low attendance, poor facilities even for SBC standards...

Anyways, I am sure I just jinxed our game against ULM...

We also have a FCS national title and a former QB who has done pretty well for himself in the NFL

Even within fanbases we give each other a hard time..... why would Monroe be an exception? I personally might buy a duck call this year from the area, not for calling in ducks - for calling in the offense after a Duck interception.

(06-14-2018 12:55 PM)Warhawkman Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 05:05 PM)T2003 Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

That's all they have ever done though... (+ 1 bowl game appearance) but... lowest budget, low attendance, poor facilities even for SBC standards...

Anyways, I am sure I just jinxed our game against ULM...

We also have a FCS national title and a former QB who has done pretty well for himself in the NFL

HEY! FCS gets less respect than ULM. Forget you said that!

Low budget. Thats the only gripe against ULM

(06-13-2018 08:11 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Glad we have at least a few more ULM fans that are posting again.

That reminds have y’all moved another message board site? The “geuxwarhawks” forum hasn’t had a new post since like September of last year

(06-14-2018 03:13 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 08:11 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Glad we have at least a few more ULM fans that are posting again.

That reminds have y’all moved another message board site? The “geuxwarhawks” forum hasn’t had a new post since like September of last year

(06-14-2018 04:17 PM)warhawk1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 03:13 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 08:11 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Glad we have at least a few more ULM fans that are posting again.

That reminds have y’all moved another message board site? The “geuxwarhawks” forum hasn’t had a new post since like September of last year

Rivals = Main ULM message board has been up and running for years
WarhawkReport.com

Coming from Lafayette, and now living around Monroe my outside perspective is that Monroe has a very small town mentality. When I say it’s all about the high schools it really is all about the high schools. Monroe has the best high school football teams in the state of Louisiana, between West Monroe, Ouachita, Sterlington, Neville etc.

ULM problem is that they can’t win consistently, if they did that I think they could potentially quadruple there fan base. ULM had probably 25,000 a game back in the 80’s when they won there NC.

Lafayette it’s not so much about the high schools, and are more likely to support the university. Even in Monroe people’s view the football team negatively

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Got a Home & home with Iowa State coming up in the next couple of years. That’ll be our chance.

(06-15-2018 07:01 AM)JSinLR Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Got a Home & home with Iowa State coming up in the next couple of years. That’ll be our chance.

We have Iowa State in 2019 at the time we signed they were down. Now looks like the coach has got them in the right path. They’re still not a Bama or Auburn though. Glad you guys got the home and home.

(06-15-2018 06:46 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Coming from Lafayette, and now living around Monroe my outside perspective is that Monroe has a very small town mentality. When I say it’s all about the high schools it really is all about the high schools. Monroe has the best high school football teams in the state of Louisiana, between West Monroe, Ouachita, Sterlington, Neville etc.

ULM problem is that they can’t win consistently, if they did that I think they could potentially quadruple there fan base. ULM had probably 25,000 a game back in the 80’s when they won there NC.

Lafayette it’s not so much about the high schools, and are more likely to support the university. Even in Monroe people’s view the football team negatively

Not far off on that assessment. Big time into high school ball around here. Other thing is a competition for the casual fan base. ULM in Monroe. LT 30 miles down the road. Grambling 30 miles down the road. Not winning consistently hurts with the casual fan so makes competition with Tech for those tough. Large black community provides a decent contingent for Grambling, which can be just as "fair weather" as any of the others.

One of ULM's biggest problems is that the local economy is not situated to keep graduates local and Monroe has a political leadership that is incapable of growing the local economy, seemingly happy with another fast food restaurant as opposed to sustainable jobs. What is hopeful is that the Medical School is estimated to have an estimated $70 Million dollar economic impact (direct and secondary) on Monroe. Whether that leads to growth or will it be squandered remains to be seen.

(06-15-2018 06:46 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Coming from Lafayette, and now living around Monroe my outside perspective is that Monroe has a very small town mentality. When I say it’s all about the high schools it really is all about the high schools. Monroe has the best high school football teams in the state of Louisiana, between West Monroe, Ouachita, Sterlington, Neville etc.

ULM problem is that they can’t win consistently, if they did that I think they could potentially quadruple there fan base. ULM had probably 25,000 a game back in the 80’s when they won there NC.

Lafayette it’s not so much about the high schools, and are more likely to support the university. Even in Monroe people’s view the football team negatively

Warhawk fans have always said that if we could keep the northeast Louisiana football talent in Monroe we could win a national championship but that's not going to happen, even if we were winning on a regular basis. Alabama and Nick Saban have a direct pipeline to this area (although one of those kids transferred back here a couple of years ago) and LSU is going to get whoever they want. A couple of great kids went to TCU and they'll be pro-level in another year or two.

With the severely limited resources they have to work with, one would have thought that ULM football would have cratered (at the FBS level, at least) a long time ago. They have not. Their athletic program may continue to struggle financially, but it'll survive, and it'll survive at the FBS level. They're longstanding members of the Sun Belt Conference and that is a huge, valuable asset for them.