(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

And they do less with more too. They've done this with a budget roughly 60% of most of our teams and less than half of one of them.

Doing more with less used to be the Cajuns mantra, but with our growth if budget, facillities, and salaries you don't hear that much any more. There is much more pressure on the individual coaches/teams to show that the funding they are receiving is deserved, and if not, they won't be there for long.

ULM can officially own that mantra now as I think they traditionally done a good job with one of the smallest budgets in D1 considering they are playing all of the major sports.

(06-13-2018 04:54 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  Some potential reasons in no particular order:

1. Hyphenated name appears to take a back seat to the recently accepted "Louisiana" Ragin' Cajuns naming convention

2. Less funding than most

3. Low enrollment

4. Smaller fan base

5. Publications discussing ULM dropping to FCS

Really? Weak.

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

http://www.winsipedia.com/louisiana-monroe

It is all the games in between I would imagine. Three .500 seasons or better since 1993?

The problem with ULM was we had ADs who would schedule at least 3 money and not give us a chance for overall record. We’d have a better or same conference record than some bowl teams in SBC. That’s on ULM and now I guess they finally figured it out that you need win some out of conference games. Now our Schedule is FCS, G5, and two P5. We’re not the only G5 or SBC school that does this type of scheduling. We will win more conference games than we lose the 2-3 years as far as I can tell so I think we’re in a good places moving forward.

I think the perception of ULM is also different for new vs. Old members, i think alot of the newer schools respect them for their ability to hit above their weight financially and consider them a darkhorse every year, I don't ever see ULM on the schedule and immediately say thats a win

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(06-14-2018 08:30 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:14 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:22 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 07:57 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw a blog post yesterday about this and copied the info, but can't find the link anymore. The author noted the amount of P5 wins each team in the Sun Belt has had since the league added football. He included all of the P5 wins that former FCS teams have had since 2000 as well...

So why do folks give ULM a hard time again??? They have some of the best/most P5 wins of anyone in the SBC.

Arkansas State
Texas A&M (2008)

Appalachian State
#5 Michigan (2007)
Wake Forest (2000)

Coastal Carolina
None

Georgia Southern
Florida (2013)

Georgia State
None

Louisiana
Kansas State (2009)

Louisiana-Monroe
#8 Arkansas (2012)
Alabama (2007)
Wake Forest (2014)
Wake Forest (2013)

South Alabama
Mississippi State (2016)

Texas State
None

Troy
#17 Missouri (2004)
#25 LSU (2017)
Oklahoma State (2007)
Mississippi State (2001)

Every school schedules according to its needs and that's how it should be. But if one wants to talk about beating P5's, I would leave Wake out of the discussion. There are a lot of P5's the SBC can beat over time if you schedule the bottom of the group to which Wake belongs. For State, the AD is going to schedule only the top P5 teams for that is where the real money is and that is the purpose of playing an Alabama, Southern Cal and Auburn. There is a down side to this scheduling however as the fans still associate a Wake or Kansas State with the power conferences and the win looks good. But if you don't schedule them, you can't beat them. I wish State would schedule two of the lower p5's every year.

Agreed. From what I have heard, GS has tried to schedule some of the lower tier P5's but they won't take the deal. We had a chance when we played Colorado State, but got them during a down year for us and got beat. We were close against Oregon State. But other than that, all the other P5's that I remember are more of the higher tier SEC and ACC schools. We've given several really good scares (UGA, GT, NC ST, FSU) but end the end could not hold on to the W.

If we are talking P5 wins, then there shouldn't be any sub-categories. Most of us would love to be able to schedule home and home deals with lower level P5 and win them both. The Wake deal fell into our laps and we sure didn't complain. Being able to beat them both years was a bonus, especially seeing how that coaching staff squandered 2012, both in recruiting and misuse of talent. We should have been back to a bowl game in 2013 and we had the defense and the QB to get us to a bowl game in 2014. Berry and Farmer killed us.

There is a sub P5. We can win against those teams. My comments were not to put down anyone. Glad to see any win vs the Wake's but they are not Alabama or Oklahoma. Just wish we would schedule lower p5's at State. I do think our general success in recent years has hurt us with a home and home with the likes of Wakes, Kansas State, and such.

Twice you've equated K-state football to Wake, and it makes me think you are confusing them with Kansas. K-state is a mid level P-5 program with occasional years where they are vying for New Years Day bowl games and B12 titles. They had down years between Coach Snyder's stints there, but most college football fans would not consider them a bottom level P5 in terms of football. Now in terms of budget? You'd have an argument.


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One of the main issues was ULM went FBS into no conference. We played Indy and a lot of money games “bigger G5”. For App, Ga Southern, CCU came in SBC where you’re playing 8 conference games. That’s on ULM and the move up was done wrong. We fired Coach Z to hire Keasler who tanked us. If Coach Z could have been in the SBC I think we’d be in a different place. At ULM here’s a list of Coaches Z had on staff .
Tyke Tolbert NY Giants wr Coach
Kacy Rogers DC NY Jets
Jackie Shipp OU Now Arizona State
Sonny Dykes Cal now SMU HC
He also had contacts and brought some older guys in at the end of their career.
Leon Burdnet former Purdue HC and has coached everywhere.
Bill Shimmick recruited Sanders and Thurman Thomas to OK State and was mention in one of their HOF speeches
George Haffner former OC at UGA with Hershel Walker.
It’s late in the gams But we’re heading in right direction .

Coach V from what I hear basically makes the schedule.

I don't think ULM is particularly dissed, if anything it tends to be omitted from conversations. IMO, these are some of the reasons:

• They do not enjoy widespread support
• They have the smallest athletic budget in FBS
• Even though their football team has been competitive at times, for the most part, other sports have not.
• They do not have the resources to keep up with the current facility arms race in FBS
  

I do not mean to sound harsh, these are just the facts. I have to admire them for their tenacity though.

If Appalachian State is not in contention for a conference title, I hope that Louisiana wins it all. The Louisiana system school in Monroe. The by God Warhawks.

Thanks Trout. That was a hell of a game in Monroe last year and I know Coach V admires the heck out of your program and uses them and stAte as examples of where we need to be.

All we have to do is make some bowls and get better in some other sports. ThTs the direction we’re headed. Hopefully this will allow us get some things done.

(06-21-2018 05:12 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  If Appalachian State is not in contention for a conference title, I hope that Louisiana wins it all. The Louisiana system school in Monroe. The by God Warhawks.

thats good stuff right there. you should have saved that one for game week.

There baskhanded shade and diss. Some of y’all were duped into believing ULM was moving down and even started a thread. We were in between AD, I explained how many years out we schedule, and every team I said we were going to play was eventually signed . Some of y’all really bought into that even when everything was explained. That carrot got some of y’all with the no schduled games thread.
We get called out for “taking less” in the past. Yet no evidence was given but it’s a AState guy so I guess it must be true. USA gets 800k to play Nebraska and ULM is getting called Out. Every evidence I have seen and posted showed ULM was close or almost the same as what Astate got paid for schools.

We’re left out of conference realignment even though we fit right In The realignment. It’s not like the SBC sweeping us in football (the most important sport). We’ll be above .500 football the next few years at least
In SBC.

(06-21-2018 05:25 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 05:12 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  If Appalachian State is not in contention for a conference title, I hope that Louisiana wins it all. The Louisiana system school in Monroe. The by God Warhawks.

thats good stuff right there. you should have saved that one for game week.

The sentiment is real, but I appreciate your non-offended and good humor response. La will be back.... wonder if it will be both teams?

(06-21-2018 05:29 PM)Golota76 Wrote:  There baskhanded shade and diss. Some of y’all were duped into believing ULM was moving down and even started a thread. We were in between AD, I explained how many years out we schedule, and every team I said we were going to play was eventually signed . Some of y’all really bought into that even when everything was explained. That carrot got some of y’all with the no schduled games thread.
We get called out for “taking less” in the past. Yet no evidence was given but it’s a AState guy so I guess it must be true. USA gets 800k to play Nebraska and ULM is getting called Out. Every evidence I have seen and posted showed ULM was close or almost the same as what Astate got paid for schools.

We’re left out of conference realignment even though we fit right In The realignment. It’s not like the SBC sweeping us in football (the most important sport). We’ll be above .500 football the next few years at least
In SBC.

This is probably not the ideal place for this, but my biggest concern would be if funding for higher education in Louisiana is cut again. With the almost 50% of higher education funding cut already in the last 10 years, some schools would find it almost impossible to fund operations without drastically reducing or closing educational options. Almost all schools have worked to maximize efficiencies in operations being in the top 1/4 of the country, but there is only so much you can do. The maintenance for facilities on may of the campuses have been deferred as funding for maintenance has been reduced by 96% since 2008. The schools have been allowed to increase tuition to offset some of those costs (tuition doubling in the last 10 years).

Since schools are limited with how much of their state budgets (10%) can be earmarked to athletics, these reductions impact all state schools ability to continue running sports as currently operated. It would be wise for all state schools to concentrate on alternative funding sources for athletics and concentrate on growing those options (media, local or national advertising sponsorships, etc.). The LA legislature has avoided (like the plague) looking at school reductions or consolidations as no one wants something like that in "their" district, but unless we have an unforeseen growth I think it may be inevitable.

Winning cures all ills.

If the Warhawks can win and win consistently, the fans will come.

The State of Louisiana budget has the entire Louisiana System scrounging for whatever dollars it can. Presidents and Athletic Directors of any school not named LSU have to constantly tweak their books to find money for facilities, maintenance, and recruiting.

I spent a couple of years on the La Tech Alumni Board of Trustees. It was a shockingly eye opening experience. The amount of red tape, hurdles and political maneuvering ALL the presidents do in Baton Rouge to maintain their funding is incredible.

I know in the 80s and 90s, La Tech did not actively expand its campus or replace old buildings. We are finally putting up new buildings. I know that ULM did the same. I have not been to the ULM campus in over 20 years, but family in Monroe talk about the expansion that is taking place. I know that ULL is also building and expanding. Rivalries aside, all three campuses are critical to the economic health of Louisiana.

(06-25-2018 09:03 AM)dchi72 Wrote:  Winning cures all ills.

If the Warhawks can win and win consistently, the fans will come.

The State of Louisiana budget has the entire Louisiana System scrounging for whatever dollars it can. Presidents and Athletic Directors of any school not named LSU have to constantly tweak their books to find money for facilities, maintenance, and recruiting.

I spent a couple of years on the La Tech Alumni Board of Trustees. It was a shockingly eye opening experience. The amount of red tape, hurdles and political maneuvering ALL the presidents do in Baton Rouge to maintain their funding is incredible.

I know in the 80s and 90s, La Tech did not actively expand its campus or replace old buildings. We are finally putting up new buildings. I know that ULM did the same. I have not been to the ULM campus in over 20 years, but family in Monroe talk about the expansion that is taking place. I know that ULL is also building and expanding. Rivalries aside, all three campuses are critical to the economic health of Louisiana.

Wow.. a La Tech fan that didn't **** all over ULL, ULM, or the Sun Belt. I like you! Call your people and get a series with us again. Our 2012 game was incredible!

(06-25-2018 09:03 AM)dchi72 Wrote:  Winning cures all ills.

If the Warhawks can win and win consistently, the fans will come.

The State of Louisiana budget has the entire Louisiana System scrounging for whatever dollars it can. Presidents and Athletic Directors of any school not named LSU have to constantly tweak their books to find money for facilities, maintenance, and recruiting.

I spent a couple of years on the La Tech Alumni Board of Trustees. It was a shockingly eye opening experience. The amount of red tape, hurdles and political maneuvering ALL the presidents do in Baton Rouge to maintain their funding is incredible.

I know in the 80s and 90s, La Tech did not actively expand its campus or replace old buildings. We are finally putting up new buildings. I know that ULM did the same. I have not been to the ULM campus in over 20 years, but family in Monroe talk about the expansion that is taking place. I know that ULL is also building and expanding. Rivalries aside, all three campuses are critical to the economic health of Louisiana.

The Louisiana budget process is an utter disgrace. The vast majority of government spending is locked in and protected by the law and constitution.....in other words, untouchable. The only major programs that can be cut are healthcare and education, which is why we all sorts of hand wringing every budget. Of course, the putting granny on the street and think of the poor children trying to go to college makes great 30 second snippets but no one is willing to sit down and do the hard work or bite the political bullet. TOPS just got fully funded but a kid getting a 20 on the ACT (below national average) and earning a 2.5 can get some money from TOPS. That is a joke. OK, I will get off my budget soapbox.

As for ULM, it has been a long trek from the dark days of Lawson Swearigen. Cofer got the finances righted. Bruno has done great things with academics. He says the right things when it comes to athletics but that is just for show. Campus is looking great. New track and soccer field in place and Brown Stadium getting facelift with new locker rooms and training rooms for Track and Soccer. New training room going in for football team. All of this is being done without accruing massive debt. A lot of us would like to see them take on a little debt to help with revenue generation (i.e. turn open air boxes into suites) and create a new grove to replace what is going to happen when medical school comes on board. We shall see.