(05-19-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:46 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again, I know it's uncomfortable to bring up, but why is this almost exclusively the domain of young, white boys?

If you are going to throw out an overbroad, generalized slur, O.D., at least have the courage to speak your mind. Why do you think that is? What congenital defect in young, white boys do you see that you are passive-aggressively not sharing with us?

At least the bigots who want to paint the entire Muslim population as terror supporting can cite to very violent verses in the Koran to back up their point.

What do you have, aside from a racist attitude that you want to insert into a tragic situation?

Wow, over react much? You are inferring way more than is there.

Hope the rest of the readers on here are scratching their heads too. Chill out man.

It's quite possible that I am missing your very clear point. That happens to me a lot, and if I've done so here then I owe you an apology.

So help me out here. What point are you driving at? What is it about young, white boys, in your view, sets them apart from others that would justify singling them out as being more prone to homicidal evil?

I grew up just down the road from Santa Fe. My dad graduated from there. I hurt for their community.

(05-19-2018 04:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:46 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again, I know it's uncomfortable to bring up, but why is this almost exclusively the domain of young, white boys?

If you are going to throw out an overbroad, generalized slur, O.D., at least have the courage to speak your mind. Why do you think that is? What congenital defect in young, white boys do you see that you are passive-aggressively not sharing with us?

At least the bigots who want to paint the entire Muslim population as terror supporting can cite to very violent verses in the Koran to back up their point.

What do you have, aside from a racist attitude that you want to insert into a tragic situation?

Wow, over react much? You are inferring way more than is there.

Hope the rest of the readers on here are scratching their heads too. Chill out man.

It's quite possible that I am missing your very clear point. That happens to me a lot, and if I've done so here then I owe you an apology.

So help me out here. What point are you driving at? What is it about young, white boys, in your view, sets them apart from others that would justify singling them out as being more prone to homicidal evil?

Without doing the research, it just seems to me the vast majority of schools shootings are done by white boys. Obviously there are exceptions and God knows other kids are involved in their share of shootings, but looking only at school shootings, it seems it's mostly white boys. Not sure why and not trying to make any kind of statement here.

I'm not saying they are more prone to homicidal evil, just that they represent a disproportionate number of school shooters. Not only that, but most of these shootings appear to be taking place in suburban, middle class areas. That's strange to me.

(05-19-2018 06:18 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 04:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:46 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again, I know it's uncomfortable to bring up, but why is this almost exclusively the domain of young, white boys?

If you are going to throw out an overbroad, generalized slur, O.D., at least have the courage to speak your mind. Why do you think that is? What congenital defect in young, white boys do you see that you are passive-aggressively not sharing with us?

At least the bigots who want to paint the entire Muslim population as terror supporting can cite to very violent verses in the Koran to back up their point.

What do you have, aside from a racist attitude that you want to insert into a tragic situation?

Wow, over react much? You are inferring way more than is there.

Hope the rest of the readers on here are scratching their heads too. Chill out man.

It's quite possible that I am missing your very clear point. That happens to me a lot, and if I've done so here then I owe you an apology.

So help me out here. What point are you driving at? What is it about young, white boys, in your view, sets them apart from others that would justify singling them out as being more prone to homicidal evil?

Without doing the research, it just seems to me the vast majority of schools shootings are done by white boys. Obviously there are exceptions and God knows other kids are involved in their share of shootings, but looking only at school shootings, it seems it's mostly white boys. Not sure why and not trying to make any kind of statement here.

I'm not saying they are more prone to homicidal evil, just that they represent a disproportionate number of school shooters. Not only that, but most of these shootings appear to be taking place in suburban, middle class areas. That's strange to me.

Middle class white kids more.likely.ro be on psychotic drugs

Poor minorities can't afford psychiatrists.

Mental health is largely red herring.

Most mass shooters are pissed off, not mentally unwell, people with legitimate mental health problems are less likely to be violent or harm others.

(05-19-2018 06:18 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 04:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:46 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again, I know it's uncomfortable to bring up, but why is this almost exclusively the domain of young, white boys?

If you are going to throw out an overbroad, generalized slur, O.D., at least have the courage to speak your mind. Why do you think that is? What congenital defect in young, white boys do you see that you are passive-aggressively not sharing with us?

At least the bigots who want to paint the entire Muslim population as terror supporting can cite to very violent verses in the Koran to back up their point.

What do you have, aside from a racist attitude that you want to insert into a tragic situation?

Wow, over react much? You are inferring way more than is there.

Hope the rest of the readers on here are scratching their heads too. Chill out man.

It's quite possible that I am missing your very clear point. That happens to me a lot, and if I've done so here then I owe you an apology.

So help me out here. What point are you driving at? What is it about young, white boys, in your view, sets them apart from others that would justify singling them out as being more prone to homicidal evil?

Without doing the research, it just seems to me the vast majority of schools shootings are done by white boys. Obviously there are exceptions and God knows other kids are involved in their share of shootings, but looking only at school shootings, it seems it's mostly white boys. Not sure why and not trying to make any kind of statement here.

I'm not saying they are more prone to homicidal evil, just that they represent a disproportionate number of school shooters. Not only that, but most of these shootings appear to be taking place in suburban, middle class areas. That's strange to me.

These stats are on mass shooters, not just school shooters, but maybe they will help you.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/4764...er-s-race/

(05-19-2018 11:15 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 06:18 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 04:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  If you are going to throw out an overbroad, generalized slur, O.D., at least have the courage to speak your mind. Why do you think that is? What congenital defect in young, white boys do you see that you are passive-aggressively not sharing with us?

At least the bigots who want to paint the entire Muslim population as terror supporting can cite to very violent verses in the Koran to back up their point.

What do you have, aside from a racist attitude that you want to insert into a tragic situation?

Wow, over react much? You are inferring way more than is there.

Hope the rest of the readers on here are scratching their heads too. Chill out man.

It's quite possible that I am missing your very clear point. That happens to me a lot, and if I've done so here then I owe you an apology.

So help me out here. What point are you driving at? What is it about young, white boys, in your view, sets them apart from others that would justify singling them out as being more prone to homicidal evil?

Without doing the research, it just seems to me the vast majority of schools shootings are done by white boys. Obviously there are exceptions and God knows other kids are involved in their share of shootings, but looking only at school shootings, it seems it's mostly white boys. Not sure why and not trying to make any kind of statement here.

I'm not saying they are more prone to homicidal evil, just that they represent a disproportionate number of school shooters. Not only that, but most of these shootings appear to be taking place in suburban, middle class areas. That's strange to me.

These stats are on mass shooters, not just school shooters, but maybe they will hel you.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/4764...er-s-race/

Black mass shooters are actually higher at 16.4% of mass shootings than their present 12.4% population percentage

There are times when racial differences are relevant: providing interesting insight and sometimes important context. Examples: electoral preferences; product-marketing approaches; historical "redlining" in housing and lending; contributions to music and culture; and (pertinent to this sports forum) athletic aptitudes and inclinations.

There are also times when racial differences are wholly irrelevant. Pointing them out serves only to create/exacerbate differences that otherwise would not exist.

In my own personal view, differing proclivities among the races for crime falls squarely into the latter category. Others may disagree. But, unlike the upper categories (who really cares which race has a greater preference in gospel music?), crime affects all of us. Pointing out racial differences for crime is much more than just an "interesting observation". It should be handled carefully, and not thrown loosely into public discourse.

My apologies, sincerely, for being so far off topic for this forum. But it bothers me enough when I see such unwarranted divisive statements that I feel uncomfortable leaving them unchallenged.

(05-19-2018 01:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 06:41 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Prayer can be very powerful.

It's clearly working to stop school shootings...

Go deeper.

(05-20-2018 07:56 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 01:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 06:41 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Prayer can be very powerful.

It's clearly working to stop school shootings...

Go deeper.

Nope.

I'm only interested in concrete preventative measures, not superstition.

(05-20-2018 10:42 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 07:56 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 01:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 06:41 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Prayer can be very powerful.

It's clearly working to stop school shootings...

Go deeper.

Nope.

I'm only interested in concrete preventative measures, not superstition.

IMO, it's actually really simple......and it ain' praying......that's as dumbo as it gets....

implement QUALIFIED ARMED single entrance access with 'exit only' as req'd by safety standards....

confiscate phones if they are displayed during school hrs and disallow all interwebs across the board with the threat of expulsion if violated....

they're dadgum kids that need to be trained 'proper like'.....they need to learn how to socially interact w/o an electronic device.....

screw #muhwiddlefeewings .... piss on spoiling a child....

there's so many reasons why, but LBJ shoved his size 12 up this country's arse to help kick start the whole thing.....

Great Society my arse.....what a dumbarse.....

(05-18-2018 02:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 01:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I saw something that makes sumamrizes my feelings on this...

"No more Thoughts & Prayers, its time for Policy and Change"

This has to stop.

You mean like taking away things from law abiding citizens?

Very few are talking disarmament, and no things like expanded background checks, increased registration laws, ending undocumented personal sales, ending gunshow loopholes etc is not "taking things away from law abiding citizens".

Except this Santa Fe, TX kid killed with guns he got from daddy, so expanded background checks and increased registration laws, etc... would not have helped in this instance. Furthermore, it is my understanding that this killer used a shotgun and hand guns, not AR15 rifles, etc....to do most of his damage.

(05-20-2018 05:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 02:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 01:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I saw something that makes sumamrizes my feelings on this...

"No more Thoughts & Prayers, its time for Policy and Change"

This has to stop.

You mean like taking away things from law abiding citizens?

Very few are talking disarmament, and no things like expanded background checks, increased registration laws, ending undocumented personal sales, ending gunshow loopholes etc is not "taking things away from law abiding citizens".

Except this Santa Fe, TX kid killed with guns he got from daddy, so expanded background checks and increased registration laws, etc... would not have helped in this instance. Furthermore, it is my understanding that this killer used a shotgun and hand guns, not AR15 rifles, etc....to do most of his damage.

It's always, "do something".

Then when it happens again, "Do more".

Then when it happens again, "Do something else".

This time it wasnt an AR15. Want to take bets on the next on? Because we know GD well there will be a next one. Until parents or the anti-NRA or someone puts enough dollars into the pockets of our **** politicians, it will continue to happen. How can these thoughts and prayers MFers sleep at night. Again the WORLD plays video games and takes ritalin and watches movies and have shiit home lifes. We are the only place with a mass shooting epidemic. Oh and you one door people like TX Lt governor, you have heard of fires, right?

(05-19-2018 11:46 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again, I know it's uncomfortable to bring up, but why is this almost exclusively the domain of young, white boys?

To be fair, shouldn't they be called European-Americans?

(05-20-2018 06:23 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  This time it wasnt an AR15. Want to take bets on the next on? Because we know GD well there will be a next one. Until parents or the anti-NRA or someone puts enough dollars into the pockets of our **** politicians, it will continue to happen. How can these thoughts and prayers MFers sleep at night. Again the WORLD plays video games and takes ritalin and watches movies and have shiit home lifes. We are the only place with a mass shooting epidemic. Oh and you one door people like TX Lt governor, you have heard of fires, right?

Only problem with all of the school shootings taking place over the past two or three decades, and how many people want to primarily place the blame on guns is history. Back when I was in grade school - primarily in the 60's - guns were much easier to obtain than they are today. Lots of high schools even had gun clubs that the kids could join. Kids in those clubs would routinely bring their guns to school with them (see link). Schools didn't tend to have armed officers in them. There were next to no shootings in high schools in spite of those things being the norm.

So what has really changed to create the environment we are in today? I think that it is society, how the kids are being raised - i.e. how much time the parents are spending with the kids and teaching them right and wrong, and social media. We live in a country today where everybody gets a trophy. A country where no one is allowed to get their feelings hurt, yet bullying is probably at an all time high among grade school kids. It is so much easier to talk badly about someone behind their back to others via social media than it is to do it face to face with others. It also reaches a lot more people and happens instantly. I think there is a higher percentage of kids today that are less socially adjusted than there was 40-50-60 years ago.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/g...c-w-cooke/

(05-20-2018 07:26 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 06:23 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  This time it wasnt an AR15. Want to take bets on the next on? Because we know GD well there will be a next one. Until parents or the anti-NRA or someone puts enough dollars into the pockets of our **** politicians, it will continue to happen. How can these thoughts and prayers MFers sleep at night. Again the WORLD plays video games and takes ritalin and watches movies and have shiit home lifes. We are the only place with a mass shooting epidemic. Oh and you one door people like TX Lt governor, you have heard of fires, right?

Only problem with all of the school shootings taking place over the past two or three decades, and how many people want to primarily place the blame on guns is history. Back when I was in grade school - primarily in the 60's - guns were much easier to obtain than they are today. Lots of high schools even had gun clubs that the kids could join. Kids in those clubs would routinely bring their guns to school with them (see link). Schools didn't tend to have armed officers in them. There were next to no shootings in high schools in spite of those things being the norm.

So what has really changed to create the environment we are in today? I think that it is society, how the kids are being raised - i.e. how much time the parents are spending with the kids and teaching them right and wrong, and social media. We live in a country today where everybody gets a trophy. A country where no one is allowed to get their feelings hurt, yet bullying is probably at an all time high among grade school kids. It is so much easier to talk badly about someone behind their back to others via social media than it is to do it face to face with others. It also reaches a lot more people and happens instantly. I think there is a higher percentage of kids today that are less socially adjusted than there was 40-50-60 years ago.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/g...c-w-cooke/

Good points. But that only applies when the shooter is a kid. Many mass shootings committed by adults.

(05-20-2018 08:04 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 07:26 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 06:23 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  This time it wasnt an AR15. Want to take bets on the next on? Because we know GD well there will be a next one. Until parents or the anti-NRA or someone puts enough dollars into the pockets of our **** politicians, it will continue to happen. How can these thoughts and prayers MFers sleep at night. Again the WORLD plays video games and takes ritalin and watches movies and have shiit home lifes. We are the only place with a mass shooting epidemic. Oh and you one door people like TX Lt governor, you have heard of fires, right?

Only problem with all of the school shootings taking place over the past two or three decades, and how many people want to primarily place the blame on guns is history. Back when I was in grade school - primarily in the 60's - guns were much easier to obtain than they are today. Lots of high schools even had gun clubs that the kids could join. Kids in those clubs would routinely bring their guns to school with them (see link). Schools didn't tend to have armed officers in them. There were next to no shootings in high schools in spite of those things being the norm.

So what has really changed to create the environment we are in today? I think that it is society, how the kids are being raised - i.e. how much time the parents are spending with the kids and teaching them right and wrong, and social media. We live in a country today where everybody gets a trophy. A country where no one is allowed to get their feelings hurt, yet bullying is probably at an all time high among grade school kids. It is so much easier to talk badly about someone behind their back to others via social media than it is to do it face to face with others. It also reaches a lot more people and happens instantly. I think there is a higher percentage of kids today that are less socially adjusted than there was 40-50-60 years ago.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/g...c-w-cooke/

Good points. But that only applies when the shooter is a kid. Many mass shootings committed by adults.

And who do the kids grow up to be (adults)? Some these days are inclined to do it while still in their teens, while others are not so inclined till they reach their 20's, 30's, etc. Besides, we are talking about school shootings here which are mostly being carried out by teens.

Years ago it was more prevalent to have serial killers like the Zodiac Killer, Son of Sam killer, etc. that would kill one at a time on multiple occasions than it was to have a random person terrorize a shopping mall or a school, killing as many as they could in just a few minutes - probably knowing that in most cases it would end up being a suicide mission.

(05-19-2018 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I grew up just down the road from Santa Fe. My dad graduated from there. I hurt for their community.

My fiancé grew up less than 10 miles from the school. First thing she did when she found out was to check the list of names to see if any of the affected were familiar names. Also, being a middle school teacher, our M.S. principal's sister is a teacher at Santa Fe HS; she's thankfully fine.

(05-20-2018 06:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 05:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 02:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 01:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I saw something that makes sumamrizes my feelings on this...

"No more Thoughts & Prayers, its time for Policy and Change"

This has to stop.

You mean like taking away things from law abiding citizens?

Very few are talking disarmament, and no things like expanded background checks, increased registration laws, ending undocumented personal sales, ending gunshow loopholes etc is not "taking things away from law abiding citizens".

Except this Santa Fe, TX kid killed with guns he got from daddy, so expanded background checks and increased registration laws, etc... would not have helped in this instance. Furthermore, it is my understanding that this killer used a shotgun and hand guns, not AR15 rifles, etc....to do most of his damage.

It's always, "do something".

Then when it happens again, "Do more".

Then when it happens again, "Do something else".

Well we are basically in a " throw .... against the wall and see what sticks" situation. I don't know there is one solution, so for now I'd be fine with "do something"