(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

(01-21-2018 11:07 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  Ecu basketball


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Truth! You're speaking to the choir here!

(01-22-2018 10:31 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Traditional - UCONN, if they could get football constant, number one hands down.

UConn football has been constant... unfortunately it's constantly bad

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

You obviously trim the list to the programs with major sports national championships in the last few years.

UCONN or UCF

And since the rivalry between those two is the most storied in all of collegiate athletics the easy answer is both.

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

Anybody else have an o'fer season in the American?

(01-22-2018 02:19 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  You obviously trim the list to the programs with major sports national championships in the last few years.

UCONN or UCF

And since the rivalry between those two is the most storied in all of collegiate athletics the easy answer is both.

I think you're onto something here.

(01-22-2018 12:48 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I think this is a trick question because, what exactly are we quantifying when we refer to "value"?

Is it the team that generates the most revenue in sports for the conference? Well then, is there some monetary threshold scale to create enough separation to rank the schools? Ex: Say school A brings in $100K - $400K more than next school B. Practically they're equivalent, but we gotta rank them, no? What is that threshold? $500K? $1M? $5M?

Or, is it the team that if we lost them in say, some conference expansion, the conference would take a serious hit in perceived strength in football? Or basketball? Or both? Well again, I'm not able to peg any school in the conference that is on that level where we're screwed if we lost that one team.

In fact, I don't think individually, we don't have ANY team that is "more valuable" than any other in this conference in any metric that I can think of. Reading through the comments, there's valid points for and against every team as to who is "most valuable", but that just leads to arguments about which of those points are more important, and on and on...

But now, I guess if you wanna talk about the inverse, which team is "least valuable", then we might have a better argument about who the front runners are.

Thanks for bringing all this up. As UC, UConn and USF fans can attribute, when Pitt and Syracuse left the Big East it was the end of the Old Big East. Pitt and Syracuse were mediocre to bad teams during those stretch of years but when they left it sent everyone scrambling looking for a place to land. Mark May said on ESPN that the "Big East will never play in a meaningful bowl game again".

Those two schools were two of the strongest brands in the league. If the any P5 conference would have taken UC and Louisville due to their success on the field from 2005-2011 the Big East would have backfilled with a couple teams and survived if no other moves had taken places in the other conferences. WVU would have been content, the C7 (including Notre Dame, minus the recent add ons) would have been content. The Big East would have kept chugging along.

Looking at the AAC, I see a hand full of teams at the top which would be devastating if they left the conference and then another group that would not make much of a difference overall if they left or not.

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

(01-22-2018 10:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:54 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  Winning and value are completely different things

In basketball it's UConn and its not even close. Uconn wasn't projected to be good this year and still got the most major cable spots: you can tell the value of a team by how they are treated even in failure ... In value UConn is above the rest

In football it's Houston..(I'm making it very clear I'm all judging up until the season, I have no clue how UCFs national championship will affect their worth).. it was UC and Houston when the AAC was created but I don't think the value of Cincy has sustained the last 5 years...

Houston has extremely band wagon fans but when it's good it's good... Every year Houston is pericieved as good they up insane TV rating and get tons of media fluff pieces and attention..the highest rated game in Houston (the 4th largest city in America) the last 8 years wasn't a A&m, texas or lsu game.. it was a Houston game

UCF has a fast growing brand, the nation championship talk has been gang Busters for them, but I really don't know how it affects them till we see how the media treats them next year and their TV ratings. Was the magic an undefeated team claiming a championship or UCF the brand

( Not including navy becuase we don't control the army navy game..navy without question, not even close if it was ALL of navy)

lol wow, really?

We've shared a conference with Houston since 2005 and aside from the 2015/2016 run, I don't recall any major "national fluff pieces" on Houston or special primetime showcasing of Houston football.

In 2013, Houston traveled to UCF with a 6-1 record. The game was on Primetime ESPN. The game was sold out + it pulled a massive 4.8 out of the Orlando market.

The game did not even manage a 1 in Houston. It came in with a .9 overnight rating.

The UCF/Memphis Champ game was 25% more watched than Houston/Temple.

In fact, most all of the top rated inter-AAC games feature UCF, including this year's UCF/USF matchup (where again, despite being a home UCF sellout, the Orlando market was the top rated market for TV viewership)

I said record and value are different things.. and home attendance has nothing to do with value to the people or ECU would be our most valuable team

And Houston wasnt good in 2013... We were coming off a 5-7 season and most of our fans had abandoned Levine. That's why he was fired a year later. And the 6-1 record was from beating up bad teams and that was obvious to everyone....do you know who was good in 2013??? UCF!!!! I'm surprised you blatantly left that out. You picked the best ever year in UCF (at that time) versus a subpar year for houston.. I clearly noted in my response that our fans were bandwagon

And don't remember the national pieces????? I'm guessing houston was put as tier one in our TV deal for fun??? The only c-usa, just becuase???? It literally says in our TV deal UConn, cincy, temple and houston are the most valuable teams.. and unlike the other 3 houston was trash in basketball at that time ., This was before our 014-15 season

google the highest rated games in c-usa.. it was blatantly obvious who is on top... Houston lived in the top 25 from 06-011, we had a history of choking right before the season ended but that doesn't mean we weren't in tthe media before we were upset

Also how can you compare UCF/memphis to houstob/temple.. houston was a super favorite in a not very close game (both teams had losses).. UCF/Memphis went into overtime and was a crazy game for the chance to be the first undefeated team in years..UH/Navy which aired simultaneously against 3 other rivalry week games did better than UH/temple that year ...

Also show facts that all the top inter tier games in AAC history have UCF in it.. becuase last year someone made a chart of top inter AAC games and it was almost ALL houston..but that was before this season I'd love to see it updated with UCF this season..UCF/usf and UCF/Memphis are likely to only 2 to crack and being undefeated playing for a chnace at perfection likely played hugely into that not solely based on the UCF value..WMU quardabled its regularly ratings last year. That doesn't mean they are some major brand

I stopped reading when you implied that your “awesome” fanbase are physics sago could predict that 6-1 Houston, going to play 7-1 UCF, would end up being a non factor.

That clearly explains the horrendous ratings in Houston

You can all predict the future

Football: UCF

Basketball: UConn

(01-22-2018 02:50 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Football: UCF

Basketball: UConn

Which is why our chance to get P5 money in the next TV contract hinges on us finding the Civil ConFLiCT trophy

(01-22-2018 02:55 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:50 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Football: UCF

Basketball: UConn

Which is why our chance to get P5 money in the next TV contract hinges on us finding the Civil ConFLiCT trophy

I'm not giving it to that putz, Aresco.

(01-22-2018 02:19 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

Anybody else have an o'fer season in the American?

Anyone else have an undefeated season in the American?

Football: Houston, UCF, USF, Navy with Memphis rising and Cincinnati and SMU as sleeping giants.
Basketball: UCONN, Cincinnati with SMU, Houston, Wichita State rising in value and Memphis and Temple as sleeping giants.

Keep in mind that most valuable to the AAC is different from most likely to get poached. Football is king so I would think that for now Houston is a more valuable commodity than the Florida schools but the Florida schools are more likely to be poached by the Big XII as a package deal. Houston has no chance at the big XII thanks to the 4 Texas schools already there. UCONN is the biggest brand in the conference, but football is that much more important than basketball in terms of value that I would rank UCONN as the 4th most valuable program in the conference.

(01-22-2018 02:59 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:19 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

Anybody else have an o'fer season in the American?

Anyone else have an undefeated season in the American?

Yup the UConn women every year.


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(01-22-2018 03:00 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:59 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:19 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

Anybody else have an o'fer season in the American?

Anyone else have an undefeated season in the American?

Yup the UConn woman every year.


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Don't forget WSU's flagship Volleyball program.

Difficult question 'cause I really like the conference. Now if we can get the money to establish the P6 narrative and compete in recruiting, we'll really have something. Too bad Boise and SDSU backed out. Would love to get BYU and Army football only. Basketball: UConn, UC, WSU, SMU. Football: UCF, Houston, Navy, Memphis. Academics: SMU, Tulane. Olympic: Many, but Tulsa always surprises me. Campus: SMU #1, no question. Homer: Of course.

(01-22-2018 02:35 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I stopped reading when you implied that your “awesome” fanbase are physics sago could predict that 6-1 Houston, going to play 7-1 UCF, would end up being a non factor.

That clearly explains the horrendous ratings in Houston

You can all predict the future

you are ridiculously biased and insane if you are comparing ucf who had a top 10 win over Louisville and a win over penn state, ranked top 20 in the nation (the highest ucf had EVER been ranked at that time)
with houston who's best win up until that point was rice, houston with zero top 25 votes, most of the fanbase already quit on our coach by that game..after what was viewed as the worst season in uh in 9 years, just the year before..
do you think we randomly fired our 8-4 coach out of the blue, that no one saw it coming and it wasnt built up????

the fact this is the main basis of your argument is so dumb..
using records blindly with no context is the manipulation tactics of a high schooler...