This is so subjective it's hard to say. With tradition and history in both sports I'd give an edge to Cincy. National name brand would be UConn, but that's only for basketball, but in bball--women's and men's--they've excelled beyond anyone else, but they lose points for football.

I can't think of any schools that don't have value in their own way, with the exception of ECU and imho that's temporary, at least in football.

As a homer, I think Memphis has a big upside. Memphis is in a metro area of only 1.4 million--big enough to draw fans and financial support, but small enough for the school not to get lost in the shuffle of multiple pro and college teams in the area. And Memphis spends a ton of money on facilities and coaches. Once we get bball back together, watch out!

Like others have stated, this is a great league and I like the developing rivalries. Frankly, if we got the big money, I'd be happy for Memphis to stay here.

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

You get a full point deduction for going 0-12. You have had success but that puts a big nick in your armor.

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

Opinions vary. My point is, Memphis should be part of the conversation. You want to debate that?

Plus, you have an extremely selective memory. It was 5 years ago (2013), and only lasted 5 years (2009-13). And the last 2 years of that streak, we were anything but FCS level. We were close to breaking out, which we did for 4 years now, and counting.

Before that (2003-08), we went to bowl games 5 of 6 seasons.

(01-22-2018 03:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:35 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I stopped reading when you implied that your “awesome” fanbase are physics sago could predict that 6-1 Houston, going to play 7-1 UCF, would end up being a non factor.

That clearly explains the horrendous ratings in Houston

You can all predict the future

you are ridiculously biased and insane if you are comparing ucf who had a top 10 win over Louisville and a win over penn state, ranked top 20 in the nation (the highest ucf had EVER been ranked at that time)
with houston who's best win up until that point was rice, houston with zero top 25 votes, most of the fanbase already quit on our coach by that game..after what was viewed as the worst season in uh in 9 years, just the year before..
do you think we randomly fired our 8-4 coach out of the blue, that no one saw it coming and it wasnt built up????

the fact this is the main basis of your argument is so dumb..
using records blindly with no context is the manipulation tactics of a high schooler...

All I heard is “Houston fans only tune in when it’s really special”

(01-22-2018 04:06 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 03:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:35 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I stopped reading when you implied that your “awesome” fanbase are physics sago could predict that 6-1 Houston, going to play 7-1 UCF, would end up being a non factor.

That clearly explains the horrendous ratings in Houston

You can all predict the future

you are ridiculously biased and insane if you are comparing ucf who had a top 10 win over Louisville and a win over penn state, ranked top 20 in the nation (the highest ucf had EVER been ranked at that time)
with houston who's best win up until that point was rice, houston with zero top 25 votes, most of the fanbase already quit on our coach by that game..after what was viewed as the worst season in uh in 9 years, just the year before..
do you think we randomly fired our 8-4 coach out of the blue, that no one saw it coming and it wasnt built up????

the fact this is the main basis of your argument is so dumb..
using records blindly with no context is the manipulation tactics of a high schooler...

All I heard is “Houston fans only tune in when it’s really special”

Or on Fridays when they get paid

(01-22-2018 04:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 04:06 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 03:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:35 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I stopped reading when you implied that your “awesome” fanbase are physics sago could predict that 6-1 Houston, going to play 7-1 UCF, would end up being a non factor.

That clearly explains the horrendous ratings in Houston

You can all predict the future

you are ridiculously biased and insane if you are comparing ucf who had a top 10 win over Louisville and a win over penn state, ranked top 20 in the nation (the highest ucf had EVER been ranked at that time)
with houston who's best win up until that point was rice, houston with zero top 25 votes, most of the fanbase already quit on our coach by that game..after what was viewed as the worst season in uh in 9 years, just the year before..
do you think we randomly fired our 8-4 coach out of the blue, that no one saw it coming and it wasnt built up????

the fact this is the main basis of your argument is so dumb..
using records blindly with no context is the manipulation tactics of a high schooler...

All I heard is “Houston fans only tune in when it’s really special”

Or on Fridays when they get paid

On Fridays we go to the sports bar to order cheese fries and watch. Gotta splurge sometimes.

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

And has a 28-22 record in the last 4 years. So let's pump the brakes a little bit.

Let's not kid ourselves. AAC wins/titles are nice, but it's all about the post-season.

UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, UCONN, WSU. There's your value.

(01-22-2018 05:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Let's not kid ourselves. AAC wins/titles are nice, but it's all about the post-season.

UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, UCONN, WSU. There's your value.

Good thing we have both


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(01-22-2018 03:53 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

You get a full point deduction for going 0-12. You have had success but that puts a big nick in your armor.

Can we get the point back for going undefeated and winning the peach peach bow this year? It was the second time we’ve gone undefeated in the AAC too

(01-22-2018 04:41 PM)Agust Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

And has a 28-22 record in the last 4 years. So let's pump the brakes a little bit.

We are 40-23 If you go back one more year which was the first year of the AAC. Nice that you left off the 12-1 year in 2013 when we won the fiesta bowl and went undefeated in conference play the first time.

(01-22-2018 12:22 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Everyone is just kinda crabs in a bucket right now. It would be whoever excels at the major sports but no one does either consistently. Memphis is the closest to it if they can get their basketball back on track. The problem of course is that Memphis has pretty much zero football tradition, with many of their best seasons in school history coming within the last 5 years.

I hate crap like that. That statement is about as nuanced as a sledgehammer. We had some very good seasons before the last 5 years, but nobody knows about them. We were independents, and didn't get picked for bowl games because of it.

(01-22-2018 02:09 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:11 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I only count 2 and 3/4. They only got a 3/4 trophy in 2014.

We round up to 3 due to the well-justified assumption that UCF would have beaten Memphis head to head.

You mean like people assume Alabama would have beaten UCF this year? Yeah, it doesn't work that way.

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

I don't agree to that. That's a big assumption. Memphis might well be more valuable than any team in the American in basketball. It depends on the def. of value. If it is revenue generation, I could make a good case for Memphis over anyone else here. Don't forget, as STUPID as this situation was, there were years and years and years where Memphis basketball funded pretty much the whole Memphis athletic department, and we had one of the top athletic budgets in all of the G5.

And please don't get the idea that I'm saying 2017-18 Memphis is more valuable than anyone else in this conf. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about over time, much like was brought up with Pitt and Syracuse and the old BigEast.

(01-22-2018 06:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

I don't agree to that. That's a big assumption. Memphis might well be more valuable than any team in the American in basketball. It depends on the def. of value. If it is revenue generation, I could make a good case for Memphis over anyone else here. Don't forget, as STUPID as this situation was, there were years and years and years where Memphis basketball funded pretty much the whole Memphis athletic department, and we had one of the top athletic budgets in all of the G5.

And please don't get the idea that I'm saying 2017-18 Memphis is more valuable than anyone else in this conf. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about over time, much like was brought up with Pitt and Syracuse and the old BigEast.

I think you're in the minority. UCONN Basketball (ie MBB & WBB) is by and far the most valuable basketball asset in the AAC. No contest.

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

I don't agree to that. That's a big assumption. Memphis might well be more valuable than any team in the American in basketball. It depends on the def. of value. If it is revenue generation, I could make a good case for Memphis over anyone else here. Don't forget, as STUPID as this situation was, there were years and years and years where Memphis basketball funded pretty much the whole Memphis athletic department, and we had one of the top athletic budgets in all of the G5.

And please don't get the idea that I'm saying 2017-18 Memphis is more valuable than anyone else in this conf. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about over time, much like was brought up with Pitt and Syracuse and the old BigEast.

I think you're in the minority. UCONN Basketball (ie MBB & WBB) is by and far the most valuable basketball asset in the AAC. No contest.

Well, if you're gonna say that, then define your terms. Do you mean money to the conference from NCAA credits? I think WSU might have something to say about that going forward. Do you mean Natties? No question, you guys hands down (in that, you have the most recent one). Do you mean national brand recognition? Not so fast my friend.

(01-22-2018 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

I don't agree to that. That's a big assumption. Memphis might well be more valuable than any team in the American in basketball. It depends on the def. of value. If it is revenue generation, I could make a good case for Memphis over anyone else here. Don't forget, as STUPID as this situation was, there were years and years and years where Memphis basketball funded pretty much the whole Memphis athletic department, and we had one of the top athletic budgets in all of the G5.

And please don't get the idea that I'm saying 2017-18 Memphis is more valuable than anyone else in this conf. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about over time, much like was brought up with Pitt and Syracuse and the old BigEast.

I think you're in the minority. UCONN Basketball (ie MBB & WBB) is by and far the most valuable basketball asset in the AAC. No contest.

Well, if you're gonna say that, then define your terms. Do you mean money to the conference from NCAA credits? I think WSU might have something to say about that going forward. Do you mean Natties? No question, you guys hands down (in that, you have the most recent one). Do you mean national brand recognition? Not so fast my friend.

Are you arguing that UCONN Basketball isn't the AAC's best national basketball brand? Interesting.

Value is everything you mentioned and more. You need to look at national brand recognition, post-season success/Natties, NCAA credits, # of games televised on major networks, TV ratings, game day revenue, Pro talent, independent contracts, etc...

Yup. Still no contest.

(01-22-2018 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  To sum that up, in the last 4 years, Memphis is 24-8, with one AAC title, and one division title.

Same time frame, Houston is 22-10, with one division and one AAC title, plus a NY6 bowl win.

In 3 years, Navy is 18-6, with one division and one AAC title.

you are having a debate of who is the most winning team in the AAC....that is a completely different discussion all together

we all agree uconn is the most vauble team in the aac in basketball i bet 4 to 6 aac teams have a better aac record that uconn...

memphis has been one of the most winning teams in the aac in football, i woulndt put them as one of the most valuable teams in football..it wasnt but 4 years ago losing to memphis as the equivalent of losing to fcs my many media members

I don't agree to that. That's a big assumption. Memphis might well be more valuable than any team in the American in basketball. It depends on the def. of value. If it is revenue generation, I could make a good case for Memphis over anyone else here. Don't forget, as STUPID as this situation was, there were years and years and years where Memphis basketball funded pretty much the whole Memphis athletic department, and we had one of the top athletic budgets in all of the G5.

And please don't get the idea that I'm saying 2017-18 Memphis is more valuable than anyone else in this conf. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about over time, much like was brought up with Pitt and Syracuse and the old BigEast.

I think you're in the minority. UCONN Basketball (ie MBB & WBB) is by and far the most valuable basketball asset in the AAC. No contest.

Well, if you're gonna say that, then define your terms. Do you mean money to the conference from NCAA credits? I think WSU might have something to say about that going forward. Do you mean Natties? No question, you guys hands down (in that, you have the most recent one). Do you mean national brand recognition? Not so fast my friend.

Uh, in o way shape or form is Memphis a bigger brand in basketball than UCONN.

(01-22-2018 05:40 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 04:41 PM)Agust Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

And has a 28-22 record in the last 4 years. So let's pump the brakes a little bit.

We are 40-23 If you go back one more year which was the first year of the AAC. Nice that you left off the 12-1 year in 2013 when we won the fiesta bowl and went undefeated in conference play the first time.

Left out on purpose to show how fickle ucf is. More than half the 40 wins come from 2 seasons. I could have said ucf is 19-19 in past 3 years and we both would have still been right.That is the reason I wouldn't put ucf as the most valuable asset on here and feel more comfortable with Memphis, houston, or Navy instead as would others by the looks of it.

I'd love to join this conversation.....but I can't.....