Trump isn't a moron, he knows what he's doing.

(11-30-2017 01:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:11 AM)TTT Wrote:  I hate the fact that if you criticize one political party then people automatically assume you support the other party.

First, there are morons in every forum on every site.... ONE of them is going to engage you at some point. Politics is like flowers to a bee... which is why people say you don't discuss it at social events.

Second, I think MANY people (like me and many other people who lean libertarian) wouldn't assume you voted for Hillary and be rude about it as in your example, but might point out that Hillary was the only other serious choice and she was just as bad if not worse, depending on what you value. It could easily be linked to a 'libtard' comment, but it isn't at all the same.

In my personal case, the only candidate lower on my list than Trump was Hillary... so if I thought the race was going to be close, I would have voted for Trump... NOT because I like him, but because he was to me the lesser of evils (and she the evil of lessers)

But more to the point, I think I'd look at your comment....
"Trump is an absolute IDIOT and is not fit to be POTUS"

Those are intentionally inflammatory words. You can't possibly expect to say something like that and not generate an equally inflammatory reaction

Maybe if you said something like:
I don't like how Trump spend all his time tweeting about inconsequential thingsor
I don't like his policy on 'x' (especially if you were specific on why)

you might get a higher level of discourse in return

(11-30-2017 09:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You did not criticize one political party. Also Trump is not an idiot and he fully fit to be
POTUS.

Y'all are right. I could've used a better scenario such as:

Me: "I think (insert recent Presidential candidate) and the (insert corresponding political constituents) would make a terrible POTUS because of xyz..."

However, the pet peeve still remains the same...you're automatically assumed to be a supporter of the other side. I hate that. It's like you HAVE to be one or the other. Why?

(11-30-2017 02:43 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Trump isn't a moron, he knows what he's doing.

I agree that he's not a moron or an idiot and that he sometimes knows exactly what he's doing. He's also quite smart.

I just think he has some weird personality traits and a lack of discipline that plague him and throw his intelligence right out the window.

Seems to be working for him, though.

(11-30-2017 10:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Seems to be working for him, though.

It has worked for him as well as failed from time to time.

Sometimes people turn out to be like Cosmo Kramer. Nothing extremely special about them, but they fall into personal success somehow, some way. Remember the episode when the painter was trying to sell a portrait she made of him to that rich couple?

Quote:“I sense great vulnerability. A man-child crying out for love. An innocent orphan in the post-modern world.”

“I see a parasite. A sexually depraved miscreant who is seeking only to gratify his basest and most immediate urges.”

“His struggle is man's struggle. He lifts my spirit.”

“He is a loathsome, offensive brute. Yet I can’t look away.”

“He transcends time and space.”

“He sickens me.”

“I love it.”

“Me too.”

That's basically how his election went down didn't it?

Nope. It went down like more people in 30 states wanted him over a lying sack of ****.

(11-30-2017 10:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Nope. It went down like more people in 30 states wanted him over a lying sack of ****.

(11-30-2017 10:14 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 02:43 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Trump isn't a moron, he knows what he's doing.

I agree that he's not a moron or an idiot and that he sometimes knows exactly what he's doing. He's also quite smart.

I just think he has some weird personality traits and a lack of discipline that plague him and throw his intelligence right out the window.

IDK if Trump is super intelligent, he has always been super disciplined and ambitious. He is doing nothing different than what he was doing running as a candidate. He was up every morning at 5 AM and doing radio interviews at 7AM. You could not find Hillary with an arrest warrant. He always knew that 98% of the media was against so he decided to dictate the narrative, and he is still doing that.

To the OP what is your opinion of someone who voted for Trump? A Republican, a Democrat, independent ?

(11-30-2017 10:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:14 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 02:43 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Trump isn't a moron, he knows what he's doing.

I agree that he's not a moron or an idiot and that he sometimes knows exactly what he's doing. He's also quite smart.

I just think he has some weird personality traits and a lack of discipline that plague him and throw his intelligence right out the window.

IDK if Trump is super intelligent, he has always been super disciplined and ambitious. He is doing nothing different than what he was doing running as a candidate. He was up every morning at 5 AM and doing radio interviews at 7AM. You could not find Hillary with an arrest warrant. He always knew that 98% of the media was against so he decided to dictate the narrative, and he is still doing that.

I disagree that he's always been disciplined. If he was disciplined, he'd know how to stay away from Twitter. I do agree that he has been ambitious and that ambition has hurt people (and himself) before.

Look, you love the guy and I don't really (as a POTUS). We're going to have different perspectives on this.

(11-30-2017 03:28 AM)JRsec Wrote:  That's because George was a realists who thought for himself and refused to follow the distractions. In a way he was like Toto in the Wizard of Oz. It's painful to pull that curtain back isn't it?

Pain is absolutely the right word.

(11-30-2017 11:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:14 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 02:43 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Trump isn't a moron, he knows what he's doing.

I agree that he's not a moron or an idiot and that he sometimes knows exactly what he's doing. He's also quite smart.

I just think he has some weird personality traits and a lack of discipline that plague him and throw his intelligence right out the window.

IDK if Trump is super intelligent, he has always been super disciplined and ambitious. He is doing nothing different than what he was doing running as a candidate. He was up every morning at 5 AM and doing radio interviews at 7AM. You could not find Hillary with an arrest warrant. He always knew that 98% of the media was against so he decided to dictate the narrative, and he is still doing that.

I disagree that he's always been disciplined. If he was disciplined, he'd know how to stay away from Twitter. I do agree that he has been ambitious and that ambition has hurt people (and himself) before.

Look, you love the guy and I don't really (as a POTUS). We're going to have different perspectives on this.

People don't get it yet. He used that platform dilligently to circumvent the idiot media and become president. He still uses it daily to get his message out how he wants it crafted. He nearly controls the daily discussion every time he pushes send.

Oh, and he has what, 30 some odd million followers on twitter? I don't even have a twitter account and I see what he posts daily because it gets broadcast on every medium. Never has a soul better used social media.

Almost 44 million followers, #21 on the list.

The top 3 are Katy Perry, Justin Bieber and Barack Obama (97 million).

(11-30-2017 10:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  To the OP what is your opinion of someone who voted for Trump? A Republican, a Democrat, independent ?

I think 99.99999% of people who vote are misguided, uninformed, mislead, or just plain bored. Our votes do not nor have they EVER mattered. I'm pretty sure that most people who vote don't even know how primaries/caucuses (let alone the GE/electoral college) work.

ALL politicians are full of it. By nature, political campaigns running for any office become nothing more than some grandiose BS marketing scheme that's doing nothing but seeking mass appeal with respect to the current political climate. It's all a ruse. They're all bought/sold by big business. Like George Carlin said,

"Forget the politicians, they're irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.......It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club."

So when I say Trump (or Hillary) is full of chit/terrible/stupid/(insert derogatory remark)...that shouldn't mean I support/advocate the opppsite political aisle.

(11-30-2017 10:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Nope. It went down like more people in 30 states wanted him over the other a lying sack of ****.

In the last election, I pretty clearly supported neither Trump nor Hillary, and took a lot of flak from both sides for it. As long as the system gives us awful candidates, I am not going to support either one.

(12-01-2017 12:58 AM)TTT Wrote:  I think 99.99999% of people who vote are misguided, uninformed, mislead,

There were 128,838,341 voters in the last Presidential election. You posit that only around 130,000 of those voters knew what they where doing?

You may think this, but I know you are wrong.

(12-01-2017 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  In the last election, I pretty clearly supported neither Trump nor Hillary, and took a lot of flak from both sides for it. As long as the system gives us awful candidates, I am not going to support either one.

Same for me and per the op, after years of conservative posts and deriding all things Clintonista and leftist got the idiotic posts about me being a leftist and Hillary voter. Silly ****.

Seen 'em calling you leftist too.

Hard to take anyone voting for either seriously. You aren't if you did.

Edit: I'll change that last to allow for those who voted no fault of their own for the lesser of evils to anyone who strongly supports either.

(11-30-2017 08:19 PM)TTT Wrote:  However, the pet peeve still remains the same...you're automatically assumed to be a supporter of the other side. I hate that. It's like you HAVE to be one or the other. Why?

I think the vitriol in your post towards 'the person' associates you with those who attack 'the person' for political purposes. It is difficult to differentiate, so that's why the association.

(12-01-2017 09:07 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  In the last election, I pretty clearly supported neither Trump nor Hillary, and took a lot of flak from both sides for it. As long as the system gives us awful candidates, I am not going to support either one.

Same for me and per the op, after years of conservative posts and deriding all things Clintonista and leftist got the idiotic posts about me being a leftist and Hillary voter. Silly ****.
Seen 'em calling you leftist too.
Hard to take anyone voting for either seriously. You aren't if you did.
Edit: I'll change that last to allow for those who voted no fault of their own for the lesser of evils to anyone who strongly supports either.

I voted, but not for Hillary or Trump. I did vote for Hillary in the democrat primary in order to vote against Bernie, whom I considered by far the most dangerous candidate of the lot. In the general I voted for Gary Johnson. "Aleppo" didn't bother me nearly as much as what came out of Hillary's and Trump's mouths on a daily basis.