(09-15-2017 09:59 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Are some of these Southern Miss posters "special"? Eagle Beaver, Reggie Favre, the guy who started the ULM thread and now this guy.

I know its hard for you to understand USMs perspective, bc this crap conference is the best thing that la tech as ever been a part of, as sad as that is, so you dont understand how terrible this conference is - as sad as THAT is.

Btw...your program is a joke and always has been. Nevertheless, id rather play you guys than almost anyone else in this conference - as sad as THAT is. Of course, one reason i like playing you guys is bc of your unadulterated arrogance. Where this comes from i have no idea. It def makes it more fun beating yall like a drum. I def understand why ULM cant stand you guys. Your fans always think youre 1-2 players away every year from being better than LSU. Its almost commical.

I know you want them for travel, but NMSU is one of many programs that needs to drop to FCS.

(09-15-2017 12:46 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  I know you want them for travel, but NMSU is one of many programs that needs to drop to FCS.

Could be but I'm interested to see how they draw this weekend after coming close to beating Arizona St to start the season and then beating UNM, their other arch rival, this past weekend. They are looking better. They host Troy Saturday and UTEP next week. Could be two good crowds.

East: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, App, UAB, Georgia Southern
West: USA, USM, ULL, LaTech, Arkansas State, Rice

MWC invites UTEP and UTSA which triggers a new league.. Leftovers from CUSA and SB make a new league spanning from Norfolk to Denton.

(09-15-2017 12:16 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:02 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:34 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy

East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St

That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.

Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.

We add one or two universities and life goes on.

How deep into FCS do we have to dig?

I nominate NMSU if we really have to add someone.

FIU, FAU, UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, Charlotte, NMSU, Texas St, UAB would be a 10 team conference that would earn the same number of post season basketball bids and bowls as the other 6 and whoever they add. It's a bit delusional for people to think this or that combo of SBC and C-USA schools are going to be in huge demand. But hey, go for it.

(09-15-2017 12:11 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I am good with an 8 team conference including:

Tech
UAB
Southern Miss
WKU
MTSU
Rice
UNT
UTSA

or

Tech
USM
Marshall
UAB
ODU
MTSU
WKU
Charlotte

Lets Just pick a direction.

Right idea, i would pick a different number, say 10

(09-15-2017 12:58 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:16 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:02 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.

We add one or two universities and life goes on.

How deep into FCS do we have to dig?

I nominate NMSU if we really have to add someone.

FIU, FAU, UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, Charlotte, NMSU, Texas St, UAB would be a 10 team conference that would earn the same number of post season basketball bids and bowls as the other 6 and whoever they add. It's a bit delusional for people to think this or that combo of SBC and C-USA schools are going to be in huge demand. But hey, go for it.

It's a fantasy world that those six schools without an auto bid, tv contract, bowl tie ins, and playoff money will lure anyone from the MAC or Sun Belt. Be realistic, pay your exit fees and join the Belt or quit making up delusional leagues.

(09-15-2017 12:54 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  East: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, App, UAB, Georgia Southern
West: USA, USM, ULL, LaTech, Arkansas State, Rice

MWC invites UTEP and UTSA which triggers a new league.. Leftovers from CUSA and SB make a new league spanning from Norfolk to Denton.

No thanks.

ODU
MTSU
WKU
UAB
LA Tech
Marshall
USM
Charlotte

The above would be a nice core of 8 schools that provide a balance between good football and basketball. I think that in time Charlotte will improve in football and USM will improve in basketball. Without the big RPI drainers pulling the conference down, it is a league that should be capable of getting an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament in basketball most years.

Add 1 or 2 additional schools in the same geographical region that are at least close to being on the same level in both sports or show promise of improvement in the sport they are behind in to form an 9 or 10 team regional conference. Or, those 8 alone would form a pretty solid (regional) basketball and football G5 conference.

Well, if you wanted a geographic benefit, for us I would imagine it would be:
NORTH
Marshall
ODU
MTSU
WKU
Charlotte
App State

SOUTH
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Troy
UAB
USM

But if you went by geography and strength:

East
Marshall
MTSU
App State
ODU
Georgia Southern

West
WKU
Arky State
LaTech
Southern Miss
Troy

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:59 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Are some of these Southern Miss posters "special"? Eagle Beaver, Reggie Favre, the guy who started the ULM thread and now this guy.

I know its hard for you to understand USMs perspective, bc this crap conference is the best thing that la tech as ever been a part of, as sad as that is, so you dont understand how terrible this conference is - as sad as THAT is.

Btw...your program is a joke and always has been. Nevertheless, id rather play you guys than almost anyone else in this conference - as sad as THAT is. Of course, one reason i like playing you guys is bc of your unadulterated arrogance. Where this comes from i have no idea. It def makes it more fun beating yall like a drum. I def understand why ULM cant stand you guys. Your fans always think youre 1-2 players away every year from being better than LSU. Its almost commical.

Classy post.....You mad Bro???

(09-15-2017 01:00 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:11 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I am good with an 8 team conference including:

Tech
UAB
Southern Miss
WKU
MTSU
Rice
UNT
UTSA

or

Tech
USM
Marshall
UAB
ODU
MTSU
WKU
Charlotte

Lets Just pick a direction.

Right idea, i would pick a different number, say 10

You are probably right, I just remember the golden era of the Big 8, Pac 8, SWC (9) etc. Just as long as you get to play everybody and not CCG.

(09-15-2017 02:02 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  SOUTH
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State

So you want to give up the F_Us and invite their little cousins who will be even worse. No thanks.

If you are going to blow the whole thing up then give me:

USM
UAB
Middle Tenn
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Appy
GA Southern

And then let FIU/FAU/Charlotte/Troy play Rock, Paper, Scissors for the final spot. A 9 team round robin schedule in football and a 16 game schedule in basketball where you play everyone twice. The top 6 make it to the basketball tourney with the top 2 earning a bye.

Forget the last part of my last post. Add LA Tech and then there doesn't have to be a Rock Paper Scissors. But would still give us a round robin and 16 game basketball in conference schedule.

1. Arkansas State
2. Tech
3. ULM
4. The University of Louisiana - For the Tech fans. ha
5. South Alabama
6. Troy
7. MTSU
8 Appalachian State
9. USM
10. Marshall
11. WKU
12. ODU

This conference would be competitive and great for travel purposes.

(09-15-2017 02:40 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

There is no way to select a winning combination out of all the available schools from coda and sunbelt therefore trying to do so would only result in a group that is still widely spread and meaningless to the big scheme as a whole.

The best route for USM is to form a group including USM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and La Tech if they want in. If not go for McNeese. This is a very tightly knit group, bus trip for all, and would reduce expenses enormously. Maybe they dont get a ncaa bid, so what, only getting one at the present time. No way the tv deal would be any worse. Should have no problem snagging 3-4 of the so called bowls out there. So, nothing but positives compared to present .

Perhaps 8 others could join hands to form another league, do same thing which should solve any scheduling problems with each team trying to fill five ooc games.

Winner all the way, just sit back & wait for next big shuffel and once its done then its done.

CUSA can organize a tournament and have the winning team join the AAC and the P6

(09-15-2017 03:44 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 02:40 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

There is no way to select a winning combination out of all the available schools from coda and sunbelt therefore trying to do so would only result in a group that is still widely spread and meaningless to the big scheme as a whole.

The best route for USM is to form a group including USM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and La Tech if they want in. If not go for McNeese. This is a very tightly knit group, bus trip for all, and would reduce expenses enormously. Maybe they dont get a ncaa bid, so what, only getting one at the present time. No way the tv deal would be any worse. Should have no problem snagging 3-4 of the so called bowls out there. So, nothing but positives compared to present .

Perhaps 8 others could join hands to form another league, do same thing which should solve any scheduling problems with each team trying to fill five ooc games.

Winner all the way, just sit back & wait for next big shuffel and once its done then its done.

you know, we dont even have to form a new conference. just go Indy and play games against each other when needed. but yes, games against regional teams is where we need to focus - with 2-5 money games mixed in.

Here's a ideal, instead of making this topic 3 or 4 times a year why don't S.Miss fans get together and asked their AD and president ....

why they are in a conference with low life's

I will beat 95% of the fans complaining never asked this question to someone that knows the answer to it. Why? most likely they are afraid of the answer they get. Without someone flat out saying it to their face. They have the internet to ***** and complain about.

This conference is not keeping any of us from winning. In any sport. It's not keeping any of us from a at large bid in basketball. It might make that more difficult but not any more than any of the conference make up that fans put together.

It's not the conference that made S. Miss a bad football program for 3.5 out of the last 5 seasons. S. Miss went 0-12 while every school they want to be in the same conference with...was in CUSA

Not one of the new schools in this conference caused S. Miss to go 7-6, 7-6, 7-6 for 3 years before going 12-2 and 0-12. S. Miss did that all by their self.

Not one school in this conference or the conference it self caused S. Miss to go 9-20, 8-21, 9-22 in basketball over the last 3 years. S. Miss did that on their on...by hiring a coach that cheated.

You might say the rest of us are paying for S. Miss's bad choices a helluva lot more than us holding them back.

If you really want to know what a trueful AD and President would tell those S. Miss fans if they had the guts to ask, why?. Let me tell you what is the most likely answer to that question.

We suck at basketball and right now there is no hope of getting better in the near future. Like, the next 5 or so years. If ever.

We have a really good baseball program but lets be honest. That doesn't get you into another conference. It's probably the 4th sport in a list on important.

We use to be good in football but you really have to look at what the "use to" means.

We had 2...TWO (1988 and 2011), 10 or more wins in a season in the past 55 years.

In the last 20 S. Miss finished ranked, twice and 3 times in the last 55 years.

While we went 18 years without a losing record 10 of those were 7 or less wins and only 4 with 9 wins and 1 with 12.

While that is still better than most everyone that moved on it's not like we were a national program. Those schools that did move on had something to offer to offset their weakness. S. Miss didn't, still don't and most likely never will....

you can't change location

Its going to be near impossible to grow a budget to compete in another conference. Even if we sold out the stadium on all 6 games we are just looking at another 1.2 million or so at $25 a ticket

Right now even if a spot opened there are other schools that have passed S. Miss in football and those schools also have better basketball programs. They also have more money. Some even have location to offer.

So you tell me what I should do? Are you fans willing to kick in another $1000 each on season tickets because that is the only way S. Miss has to grow a budget that can compete in all sports with those that moved on. Are you willing to put your money with your words with the hope one day a spot opens. Can't wait till that day. Now shut the **** up! Well I doubt if he said that...but you know that's what both are thinking

(09-15-2017 03:02 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 02:02 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  SOUTH
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State

So you want to give up the F_Us and invite their little cousins who will be even worse. No thanks.

If you are going to blow the whole thing up then give me:

USM
UAB
Middle Tenn
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Appy
GA Southern

And then let FIU/FAU/Charlotte/Troy play Rock, Paper, Scissors for the final spot. A 9 team round robin schedule in football and a 16 game schedule in basketball where you play everyone twice. The top 6 make it to the basketball tourney with the top 2 earning a bye.

No, that was just the model that included the closest. I actually liked the one I posted below that for an actual conference