(09-15-2017 10:06 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I guess so, since you are the only one right and everyone else is wrong...

Amazingly.........he is.

(09-15-2017 05:47 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:40 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:35 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:30 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:05 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Wins matter

this is where you miss the whole picture. sadly, wins didnt mean spit, when Cusa started getting robbed. theres not one team in the AAC (including louisville) that have beaten USM more than USM has beaten them (ok, except tulsa 3-4-1). the "move up" had nothing to do with "wins". so you swing and miss at everything right there. and THAT is why USM fans are chapped. we beat those teams like a drum for 50 years and we are stuck with westard kentucky, based on false logic by the TV networks.

Jesus dude... you act like you're world beaters... you're 6-6 vs us...
[/quote

But they are 5-4 all time vs UTEP. That's probably what they are thinking.

ok. speaking of UTEP...

this link should keep you busy a while. try not to walk off a bridge after looking at this

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch...s-el-paso/

Wow we are such a horrible team. Yet your record against us is only one game above .500. By the way when are you going to beat WKU or MTSU or FAU or FIU? Or why do you have losing records vs UTSA and RICE? Or why don't you have winning records vs Marshall, ODU, and Charlotte? You guys really are so much better than everyone in this conference? Thank the lord the AAC left you behind where would any of us be without USM?

you guys cant put 2 and 2 together? its no secret that we had 3 of the worst years in school history from '12-'15. we know. it sucked bad. cant imagine feeling like that for 10, 20, or 30 years like some of you guys (or 80 years in UTEPs case). so yeah, bc we sucked for 3 years, we picked up 3 losses from those terrible programs. yes, its embarrassing. luckily those days are behind us (unless we do another terrible hire, perhaps).

(09-15-2017 01:58 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:54 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  East: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, App, UAB, Georgia Southern
West: USA, USM, ULL, LaTech, Arkansas State, Rice

MWC invites UTEP and UTSA which triggers a new league.. Leftovers from CUSA and SB make a new league spanning from Norfolk to Denton.

No thanks.

ODU
MTSU
WKU
UAB
LA Tech
Marshall
USM
Charlotte

The above would be a nice core of 8 schools that provide a balance between good football and basketball. I think that in time Charlotte will improve in football and USM will improve in basketball. Without the big RPI drainers pulling the conference down, it is a league that should be capable of getting an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament in basketball most years.

Add 1 or 2 additional schools in the same geographical region that are at least close to being on the same level in both sports or show promise of improvement in the sport they are behind in to form an 9 or 10 team regional conference. Or, those 8 alone would form a pretty solid (regional) basketball and football G5 conference.

I like the "one school per state" membership. Interesting. But, by not having a member from Texas, you're almost asking LA Tech to walk away from Texas recruiting. That ain't cool.

(09-15-2017 03:44 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 02:40 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

There is no way to select a winning combination out of all the available schools from coda and sunbelt therefore trying to do so would only result in a group that is still widely spread and meaningless to the big scheme as a whole.

The best route for USM is to form a group including USM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and La Tech if they want in. If not go for McNeese.

Winner all the way, just sit back & wait for next big shuffel and once its done then its done.

Oh goody! The old Gulf States Conference from the 1950's and 60's. Now we know that EE is a very old fart.

(09-15-2017 05:52 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:47 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:40 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:35 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:30 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  this is where you miss the whole picture. sadly, wins didnt mean spit, when Cusa started getting robbed. theres not one team in the AAC (including louisville) that have beaten USM more than USM has beaten them (ok, except tulsa 3-4-1). the "move up" had nothing to do with "wins". so you swing and miss at everything right there. and THAT is why USM fans are chapped. we beat those teams like a drum for 50 years and we are stuck with westard kentucky, based on false logic by the TV networks.

Jesus dude... you act like you're world beaters... you're 6-6 vs us...
[/quote

But they are 5-4 all time vs UTEP. That's probably what they are thinking.

ok. speaking of UTEP...

this link should keep you busy a while. try not to walk off a bridge after looking at this

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch...s-el-paso/

Wow we are such a horrible team. Yet your record against us is only one game above .500. By the way when are you going to beat WKU or MTSU or FAU or FIU? Or why do you have losing records vs UTSA and RICE? Or why don't you have winning records vs Marshall, ODU, and Charlotte? You guys really are so much better than everyone in this conference? Thank the lord the AAC left you behind where would any of us be without USM?

you guys cant put 2 and 2 together? its no secret that we had 3 of the worst years in school history from '12-'15. we know. it sucked bad. cant imagine feeling like that for 10, 20, or 30 years like some of you guys (or 80 years in UTEPs case). so yeah, bc we sucked for 3 years, we picked up 3 losses from those terrible programs. yes, its embarrassing. luckily those days are behind us (unless we do another terrible hire, perhaps).

The problem is the current CUSA version is way too competitive vs the old CUSA version. Its the reason why USM can't be on top every year. The FAUs, FIUs and UNCCs of this league are just to strong for USM. CUSA would be better off without USM, maybe the SBC wants to go slum'n and give us a invite.

YES

(09-15-2017 05:47 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:31 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  now, to try to get back to the point of the thread ;

yes, i think almost all schools in this conference could stand to benefit from dissolving this conference (as i've suggested in other threads). i certainly think USM would. why? bc what benefit is this conference giving the schools? heck, it cost an arm and a leg to travel across the country (think other sports too, not just football), yet we get $200k from the conference tv contract!? thats a joke! other schools get $35,000,000 or so a year. my point, is not that we should get $10,000,000 a year, its that $200k is chump change and doesn't benefit the institutions when you consider the expense of travel and lost revenue from lack of ticket sales. playing regional teams and having some payday games sparks more interest, generates more revenue and gives more exposure to "us" all.

You do realize you just played a SEC school at home and lucky to have 20k in the stands?

But here's a question I have for you. Why do you sit at home on game day?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-824036-post-145...id14501222

(08-14-2017 12:02 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(08-13-2017 11:38 PM)usmstang Wrote:  

(08-13-2017 07:45 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  is the price the same as normal? i didn't realize the "good seats" came with a $1000 or so dollar price tag. not a bad thing, i was happy to see it actually. a lot of cusa teams don't have prices anywhere near that high. makes me feel like usm is little less junior high-ish than i was beginning to think.

A couple things here: (1) mine are $60/game in East Side club level not including seat leases or EC. Where I sat on the home side mid-way up the lower deck on the 44 yd line for 15 years were like $35/game last year. Again, not counting EC. (2) the fact that you don't know how much tickets are for games is disturbing. In other words, if we seem Junior High-ish to you, are you part of the reason we don't sell out games? Just askin? I'm hoping you tell me you are a student and get in free.

I didn't go to school at usm. Just pulled for them since about 2nd or 3rd grade or so. I dont live in MS anymore. Never lived near Hburg. I go to a game every now and then.

what diff does it make? you already said my small balls and lack of influence don't make much a difference. or was it that they ARE the cause of USM's demise? stalk much, weirdo?

OMG, this psycho turd didn't even GO TO USM? What in the hell is anybody listening to him for?

(09-15-2017 09:59 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Are some of these Southern Miss posters "special"? Eagle Beaver, Reggie Favre, the guy who started the ULM thread and now this guy.

Naw, we're just average Joes voicing our opinion....You one of those who think you own this forum?

(09-15-2017 05:00 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  My original post here wasn't to belittle any of our conference brethren. Do Southern Miss fans struggle with getting excited about C-USA? Sure. But we had trouble getting excited about the old C-USA too. Joining the AAC might solve a few financial issues but perception issues are the same. They get no piece of the big cake either. Since that's not even an option it seems like the best option is to cut expenses where we can. That means becoming a more tight knit geographical conference. Cut these travel expenses. This would also allow for the creation of better regional rivalries.

Have you guys tried to push for the AAC? I don't know much about your school or history. But you guys should just try to go somewhere else. I think our conference will be fine with that.

(09-15-2017 10:34 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

Why don't you guys just join the Sun Belt?

We already have...

(09-15-2017 06:16 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 05:00 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  My original post here wasn't to belittle any of our conference brethren. Do Southern Miss fans struggle with getting excited about C-USA? Sure. But we had trouble getting excited about the old C-USA too. Joining the AAC might solve a few financial issues but perception issues are the same. They get no piece of the big cake either. Since that's not even an option it seems like the best option is to cut expenses where we can. That means becoming a more tight knit geographical conference. Cut these travel expenses. This would also allow for the creation of better regional rivalries.

Have you guys tried to push for the AAC? I don't know much about your school or history. But you guys should just try to go somewhere else. I think our conference will be fine with that.

If you don't know much about Southern Miss, how do you know you would be fine with us gone? That's like saying 'I'm not the smartest man in the world, but if I were a rocket scientist I would have done it this way.'

Like I don't study your background & history. From what I know , and if you guys want to leave then I'm fine with it. It's not going to have a major impact on us.

I'm fine with La Tech, ODU, WKU UTEP, etc. Would be fine with you guys leaving. And if you want to leave I think a lot of us would be okay with it. Just do what you guys want if you're not happy . I'd be okay grabbing Liberty and their money

clt says fine.

Charlotte will be in the SEC in 2020.

(09-15-2017 06:51 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says fine.

Charlotte will be in the SEC in 2020.

You know, that would be a great experiment if the SEC added a NC team that was a G5 startup. I honestly think $50M pumped into the UNCC athletic department and the SEC label, Charlotte would be competing for the SEC East in 10 years and have 70k people at home games.

(09-15-2017 06:57 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 06:51 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says fine.

Charlotte will be in the SEC in 2020.

You know, that would be a great experiment if the SEC added a NC team that was a G5 startup. I honestly think $50M pumped into the UNCC athletic department and the SEC label, Charlotte would be competing for the SEC East in 10 years and have 70k people at home games.

clt was not kidding.

(09-15-2017 09:55 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Where are we all going?

not to The American

(09-15-2017 06:28 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Like I don't study your background & history. From what I know , and if you guys want to leave then I'm fine with it. It's not going to have a major impact on us.

Pretty much anybody could leave C-USA right now and it wouldn't have any effect. There's really nothing else to lose. We basically give our games out to tv for free. We have no bowl tie in vs a P5 conference. Yes, C-USA would be "fine"... if that's what you call this current edition of the conference. But I don't see how the current state of C-USA is that good for anybody. I just think we could all benefit from trimming some travel expenses. Someone needs to get creative and proactive. Now... did USM try to get in the AAC? Yes, but our "reactive" AD at the time put up a pitiful attempt. The additions were almost completely based on "market". Which obviously hurt us. Markets don't matter in C-USA anymore because we have no lucrative tv contract. So there's really nothing holding us together except for the chance at a playoff spot. But I imagine that could be worked around.

If we are going to talk about restructuring... we need to start with the conference leadership.

(09-15-2017 06:06 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 03:44 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 02:40 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).

Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.

So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).

Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.

You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.

There is no way to select a winning combination out of all the available schools from coda and sunbelt therefore trying to do so would only result in a group that is still widely spread and meaningless to the big scheme as a whole.

The best route for USM is to form a group including USM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and La Tech if they want in. If not go for McNeese.

Winner all the way, just sit back & wait for next big shuffel and once its done then its done.

Oh goody! The old Gulf States Conference from the 1950's and 60's. Now we know that EE is a very old fart.

It makes no difference in the grand scheme of things in collegiate sports whether we win or loose against the likes of ULM, La Tech, McNeese State, Marshall, Troy, UAB, etal. All of those teams mean nothing, sports world doesnt care. So, do we come out better by going to UTSA and winning or losing or going to South Alabama and win or lose. Makes absolutely NO difference except fans can drive down to Mobile as opposed to San Antonio and our travel expenses would be reduced by 75%. The group I mentioned would be best from USM standpoint, lots less expensive to operate. If we could suck the state titty like La Tech then things would be a bit easier, maybe could look at it from a different viewpoint.

Biggest poblem cusa has is bottom feeder, nobodies, thinking this league is great although it might just be the best THEY have ever had.