I used to see the reasoning in keeping C-USA together despite the geographical stretch. We would get multiple NCAA tournament bids. Plenty of NCAA credits from those bids. We had a decent football bowl lineup. We had a TV contract that provided some extra money for the schools. We had a solid name brand. We had a visionary commissioner (Mike Slive... who would eventually go on to the SEC).
Now, we usually just get our 1 auto bid to the tournament. The NCAA credits are dried up. Our bowl lineup is a joke and we often lose money on these games. The TV contract is essentially non-existent. The C-USA name brand has lost all luster. And we have a commissioner that is basically just a place holder in title.
I honestly see little reason why we shouldn't disband and form 9-team regional conferences.
Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
(This post was last modified: 09-15-2017 10:11 AM by ThreeifbyLightning.)
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
I can agree with that, take those 6 and the top one or two from the Sunbelt or MAC.
Here's the issue the CFP is Irving, with the Banoswksy on the team, CUSA and the CFP are intertwined. Dont think for a second that they are going to let a new conference start from the CUSA and be apart of the CFP
(09-15-2017 10:16 AM)mturn017 Wrote: If there were a way to do it and both groups get an autobid and CFP money then I think we would have split up already.
The only way to do that is for Sun Belt and C-USA to consolidate with one another. Again, that doesn't fix all the problems. It addresses one.
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
Seriously? The payouts are to the conference and would be the same split even more ways with more dead weight than we have now.
The reality is the CFP likely boxes us all in until 2024 where we await whatever is going to happen with the Big 12. The question of whether we need to is yes. The question of whether we can or not or how soon is different.
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
I'd be good with them moving to Sunbelt & CUSA just grabbing a few more teams.
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
I think you guys should do this and not worry about autobids and CFP. That looks like a conference that could easily get 2-3 at-large bids from the get-go. Plus the money y'all will make from increased attendance and 9 bowl games per year will easily cover the CFP losses. I think this could be the first conference with 0 cellar dwellers
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.
We add one or two universities and life goes on. The MW operated as an 8 team league for a few years without any problems.
(This post was last modified: 09-15-2017 12:06 PM by JCMiner.)
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.
(09-15-2017 10:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Yes, USM, MT, La Tech, ODU, Marshall and wkcc need to start putting plans in place to split off picking up three or four other programs (at least one would have to come from current C-USA).
Here's the problem. The revised NCAA by-laws require continuity between seven teams over eight years for automatic bids. Depending on how you interpret that it means that either the new league would not be able to receive an auto-big until eight years after the league was formed OR it means continuity between programs can be established in a current league so long as the seven have been together for eight years. I interpret as the latter, because there is nothing in the by-laws that strictly states a new conference has to wait eight years after forming.
So, for us that would mean 2021 at the earliest (or 2022 if wkcc is the seventh - which isn't likely since the make up of a new conference would almost definitely include a mix of UAB or Charlotte or one of the Fla schools).
Reshuffling C-USA with Sun Belt does not fix the broader problem, which is a combination of terrible performance at the bottom of the conference plus sprawling geographic membership. All a reshuffle would do would be to fix the sprawling issue, but both would still have terrible performance at the bottom.
You may have a different opinion on the schools, but I believe the six I listed above are the six that are most committed to field competitive football and basketball and know how to do it. There is maybe one or two teams out of the Sun Belt or MAC that would be worth targeting to fill out the league (like Ohio). Perhaps Appy or South Alabama?? Those three or four teams would be hard to pick, but if you took the best of C-USA and dropped down to only a nine or 10 team conference you have a very competitive and competent league.
Why don't those six just ask to join the Sun Belt? That would form a 16 team league.
West
Texas St
Arkansas St
La Tech
Lafayette
Monroe
South Alabama
USM
Troy
East
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian St
That way no auto bid or playoff money is lost. The NCAA is not going to allow a G6.
Math does not work out. 6 leaving the C-USA would leave another 8 in the rump C-USA. What happens to that? Independents? I think NCAA frowns upon those.