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(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 07:39 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Offered 2018 6-7" Aaron Cash out of NC.

What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 07:39 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Offered 2018 6-7" Aaron Cash out of NC.

What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 07:39 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Offered 2018 6-7" Aaron Cash out of NC.

What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

He will likely translate into a PF for us provided he commits. Needs to work on his ball handling and outside shooting to be a solid SF.

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 07:39 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Offered 2018 6-7" Aaron Cash out of NC.

What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

We have offered 2018 Coleman Ayers, 5-10 160 lb. PG. In the limited information I could find out....NOT impressed. Maybe others can find out more.

(07-20-2017 09:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 07:39 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Offered 2018 6-7" Aaron Cash out of NC.

What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

And this type of thinking is dumb. See recent results from ODU playing with a 6'-7" center if you need proof. See recent NCAA Tournament results if you need additional proof. Guess you are think you are smarter than the coaches at Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Syracuse, Miami, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash, they don't go out and recruit 6'-7" Power Forwards and Centers even though according to you it is "antique" to do otherwise. Wow (smh).

(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 09:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What position does he play?

AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

And this type of thinking is dumb. See recent results from ODU playing with a 6'-7" center if you need proof. See recent NCAA Tournament results if you need additional proof. Guess you are think you are smarter than the coaches at Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Syracuse, Miami, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash, they don't go out and recruit 6'-7" Power Forwards and Centers even though according to you it is "antique" to do otherwise. Wow (smh).

How big are Kris Jenkins, Darryl Reynolds, Jayson Tatum, Jordan Bell, Bonzie Colson, Miles Bridges, Tyler Lydon, Kamari Murphy, Ethan Happ, Nigel Hayes, Isaiah Hicks, Justin Jackson, etc, etc.?

You just named a bunch of teams with big guys that are between 6-6 and 6-8; some 6-9.

(07-21-2017 09:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 09:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  AAU PF/C ...he will need to be SF/PF in college.

Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

And this type of thinking is dumb. See recent results from ODU playing with a 6'-7" center if you need proof. See recent NCAA Tournament results if you need additional proof. Guess you are think you are smarter than the coaches at Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Syracuse, Miami, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash, they don't go out and recruit 6'-7" Power Forwards and Centers even though according to you it is "antique" to do otherwise. Wow (smh).

How big are Kris Jenkins, Darryl Reynolds, Jayson Tatum, Jordan Bell, Bonzie Colson, Miles Bridges, Tyler Lydon, Kamari Murphy, Ethan Happ, Nigel Hayes, Isaiah Hicks, Justin Jackson, etc, etc.?

You just named a bunch of teams with big guys that are between 6-6 and 6-8; some 6-9.

Lest you confuse the matter ... 6'-8" and 6'-9" are bigger than 6'-7" which is what you were calling "antique" for a center or power forward. How many of the guys you wrote down are 6'-7" or smaller? How many of them started at either Center or Power Forward? What team did they play for?

I'm not going to spend the next hour or more of my time looking up the heights of players from those teams (and many others) along with what position they played to easily prove you wrong. Off the top of my head, Gonzaga, Kentucky, and UNC had guys bigger than 6'-7" starting inside.

Answer me this ... Who is the last 6'-7" (or smaller) player to be the regular starter at center for UNC? For Kentucky? For Gonzaga?

You're the same guy that went on and on about McClinton (6'-7" transfer from Wake) coming here to be a solid Power Forward at ODU. Not only did he not play that position at Wake, he didn't even play it in high school. He has always been a small forward. How could that be if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why did Wake have bigger guys playing the power positions if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why has ODU had it's most success with guys like West, Hodge, Laughton, Hassell, Lee - all bigger than 6'-7" playing center if that is "antique"? Even in ODU's Division 2 glory days they had players bigger than 6'-7" at center (6'-9" Wilson Washington for example). Just 2" taller than our current center, but Wilson would eat him alive if the two could play today with Wilson as a 21 year old again.

(07-21-2017 10:02 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 09:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 09:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

And this type of thinking is dumb. See recent results from ODU playing with a 6'-7" center if you need proof. See recent NCAA Tournament results if you need additional proof. Guess you are think you are smarter than the coaches at Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Syracuse, Miami, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash, they don't go out and recruit 6'-7" Power Forwards and Centers even though according to you it is "antique" to do otherwise. Wow (smh).

How big are Kris Jenkins, Darryl Reynolds, Jayson Tatum, Jordan Bell, Bonzie Colson, Miles Bridges, Tyler Lydon, Kamari Murphy, Ethan Happ, Nigel Hayes, Isaiah Hicks, Justin Jackson, etc, etc.?

You just named a bunch of teams with big guys that are between 6-6 and 6-8; some 6-9.

Lest you confuse the matter ... 6'-8" and 6'-9" are bigger than 6'-7" which is what you were calling "antique" for a center or power forward. How many of the guys you wrote down are 6'-7" or smaller? How many of them started at either Center or Power Forward? What team did they play for?

I'm not going to spend the next hour or more of my time looking up the heights of players from those teams (and many others) along with what position they played to easily prove you wrong. Off the top of my head, Gonzaga, Kentucky, and UNC had guys bigger than 6'-7" starting inside.

Answer me this ... Who is the last 6'-7" (or smaller) player to be the regular starter at center for UNC? For Kentucky? For Gonzaga?

You're the same guy that went on and on about McClinton (6'-7" transfer from Wake) coming here to be a solid Power Forward at ODU. Not only did he not play that position at Wake, he didn't even play it in high school. He has always been a small forward. How could that be if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why did Wake have bigger guys playing the power positions if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why has ODU had it's most success with guys like West, Hodge, Laughton, Hassell, Lee - all bigger than 6'-7" playing center if that is "antique"? Even in ODU's Division 2 glory days they had players bigger than 6'-7" at center (6'-9" Wilson Washington for example). Just 2" taller than our current center, but Wilson would eat him alive if the two could play today with Wilson as a 21 year old again.

I don't know for sure but I saw Wilson the other day and I think I would put my money on WILSON WASHINGTON!!!!!!!

(07-21-2017 10:02 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 09:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 09:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Thanks for the feedback on that. I was referring to what he would play in college. 6'-7" is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C).

This type of thinking is antique.

And this type of thinking is dumb. See recent results from ODU playing with a 6'-7" center if you need proof. See recent NCAA Tournament results if you need additional proof. Guess you are think you are smarter than the coaches at Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Syracuse, Miami, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash, they don't go out and recruit 6'-7" Power Forwards and Centers even though according to you it is "antique" to do otherwise. Wow (smh).

How big are Kris Jenkins, Darryl Reynolds, Jayson Tatum, Jordan Bell, Bonzie Colson, Miles Bridges, Tyler Lydon, Kamari Murphy, Ethan Happ, Nigel Hayes, Isaiah Hicks, Justin Jackson, etc, etc.?

You just named a bunch of teams with big guys that are between 6-6 and 6-8; some 6-9.

Lest you confuse the matter ... 6'-8" and 6'-9" are bigger than 6'-7" which is what you were calling "antique" for a center or power forward. How many of the guys you wrote down are 6'-7" or smaller? How many of them started at either Center or Power Forward? What team did they play for?

I'm not going to spend the next hour or more of my time looking up the heights of players from those teams (and many others) along with what position they played to easily prove you wrong. Off the top of my head, Gonzaga, Kentucky, and UNC had guys bigger than 6'-7" starting inside.

Answer me this ... Who is the last 6'-7" (or smaller) player to be the regular starter at center for UNC? For Kentucky? For Gonzaga?

You're the same guy that went on and on about McClinton (6'-7" transfer from Wake) coming here to be a solid Power Forward at ODU. Not only did he not play that position at Wake, he didn't even play it in high school. He has always been a small forward. How could that be if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why did Wake have bigger guys playing the power positions if that kind of thinking is "antique"? Why has ODU had it's most success with guys like West, Hodge, Laughton, Hassell, Lee - all bigger than 6'-7" playing center if that is "antique"? Even in ODU's Division 2 glory days they had players bigger than 6'-7" at center (6'-9" Wilson Washington for example). Just 2" taller than our current center, but Wilson would eat him alive if the two could play today with Wilson as a 21 year old again.

So you are arguing 6-8 is ok, but 6-7 is not without regard to wingspan? Is that correct? Previously, you said a 6-7 guy cannot play power forward or center, is that correct? Not sure why you are comparing UNC to ODU because we will never compete with them for a skilled big man, but for fun I will respond. Also, the game is completely different than when Mark West played center for ODU, do you understand this?

I will go down the list for you:

Kris Jenkins 6-6 PF/C
Darryl Reynolds 6-8 C
Jayson Tatum 6-7 PF
Jordan Bell 6-7 PF/C
Bonzie Colson 6-6 C
Miles Bridges 6-7 SF/PF
Tyler Lydon 6-8 without shoes (guess he measured it taller than listed)
Kamari Murphy 6-8 PF
Ethan Happ Apparently grew an inch and is 6-9 center
Nigel Hayes 6-7 PF/C
Isaiah Hicks 6-7 or 6-8 PF/C (for UNC)
Justin Jackson 6-7 or 6-8 SF/PF (for UNC)

Since i'm limited to UNC, Kentucky, or Gonzaga and ignoring teams like Nova, Duke, and ND;

Alex Poystress was 6-7 PF for Kentucky
Julius Randle was a 6-8 C for Kentucky
Elias Harris was a 6-8 PF/C for Gonzaga

People still don't believe McClinton was coming in and playing power forward? What would it take to convince you that was the plan?

And another recruiting thread goes down the tubes!

(07-21-2017 10:47 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  And another recruiting thread goes down the tubes!

Adding a post that has nothing to do about recruiting certainly helps on that front, huh?

I haven't even mentioned wingspan, much less"argued" it.

I haven't said that a 6'-7" guy "couldn't" play center. I simply said that we should be looking for bigger than that if we want to be successful. And yes, 6'-8" and up qualifies as bigger than 6'-7".

It's not so much comparing UNC to ODU as it is comparing a winning formula (one that ODU used to follow - good size inside to complement skilled guards) to ODU's recent/current formula (poor size inside to complement semi skilled guards). At least they appear to have better skilled guards on the way.

For accuracy's sake, UNC who won the national title last season had the following at the PF/C positions (see link below) -

6'-9" Kennedy Meeks
6'-9" Isiah Hicks
6'-10 Tony Bradley

Luke Maye and Justin Jackson are both listed at 6'-8" and playing the small forward position.

You probably didn't follow ODU back during the Mark West era at ODU (82/83 senior year) so I will cut you just a little bit of slack on that Mark West comment. That team had a starting line up of -

C- Mark West, 6'-10"
PF - Kenny Gattison, 6'-8"
SF - Ronnie Wade, 6'-6"
SG - Charlie Smith, 6'-3"
PG - Grant Robinson, 6'-1"

Key reserves were -

C- Clarence Hanley, 6'-10"
C/PF - Horace Lambert, 6'-8"
SG - Keith Thomas, 6'-3"

Now whether the game is or isn't "completely different" since Mark West played, I would take that team any day over ODU's teams under Jeff Jones. Further more, I would like my chances to win C-USA and get an NCAA Tournament bid with that group. The pair of West and Gattison both would go off on guys like Brandan and McClinton inside, and there isn't much that they could do to prevent it.

And 'yes', I do believe that McClinton at 6'-7" was coming in to be our Power Forward, all 200 pounds of him. Sadly so. Believing it doesn't mean it was a good thing.

So without checking more thoroughly, at only 7 guys of your original list of 16 are actually 6'-7" or less while the other 9 guys are listed as being taller than 6'-7". Do you just make stuff up as you go along?

http://www.tarheeltimes.com/rosterbasketball-2016.aspx

ODU BBALL,

You just made me smile. If we could get things going like we had them in the early to mid 80s, there would be a lot more talk on here about why the squad is good vs what we currently deal with...constant battles about how much other posters don't know about the game.

Isaiah Hicks measured in at 6-7 without shoes and 6-8 with shoes, FWIW. You didn't watch them if you believe Justin Jackson only played the 3.

I have followed ODU since the early 80s and again, I don't care. The game is completely different now that it was back then, heck the 3 point line was even implemented in 1982.

Again, you are getting off on a tangent on things they weren't said. You said a 6-7 guy has to play small forward and can't play power forward. Quote "6'-7 is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C)."

Your last comment is comical for the simple fact that you would use school websites over actual measurements for guys coming into the draft.

Colson is 6-6, could he play center for ODU? You are judging guys on height, which is dumb. You need to consider wingspan, talent (including ability to rebound/defend), as well as a host of other things. If you don't think we can have successful 6-7 guys play in the front court, well, you are wrong.

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Again, you are getting off on a tangent on things they weren't said. You said a 6-7 guy has to play small forward and can't play power forward. Quote "6'-7 is a good size for a small forward. We should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C)."

Again, do you just make things up as you go along??? Look at your own posting of the quote above from what I actually did say, and how you twisted it to try to fit your narrative.

Where in my quote did I say that a 6'-7" guy "has to play small forward and can't play power forward"??? Suggest you review the definitions of the words "can't" and "should" so you don't get them mixed up again in the future.

You don't "have" to haul loose mulch from the garden shop home in the trunk of your car (unless it is all you have), but you could. You "should" use a pick-up truck instead. That is along the lines of the message relating to the size of the players that I was conveying.

Tell us all which Jeff Jones ODU team you would take head to head over Paul Webb's 82-83 "antique" team led by Mark West. Surely they couldn't possible compete against the modern era Jeff Jones ODU teams since the game has changed so much. Go ahead and tell us. This ought to be good.

As for the 3 point line reference to 1982, do you not believe that both Keith Thomas and Charlie Smith would have hit three point shots? You claim to have followed the team then. Heck, the three point shot would have made it even worse for the current ODU team to contend with West and Gattison inside since it would have stretched the floor out even more. They would probably have scored 50 points inside just between those two alone. Porter would be the best hope defensively against them and West would have fouled him out by halftime if Jones were to leave him in the game.

In your exact quote you say, "6-7 is good size for a small forward, we should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C)." Its not safe to assume you are saying 6-7 is too small to play them?

Why would I care about Jeff Jones vs. Paul Webb's team? Again, that is on a whole different tangent. Stay on point and stop moving the goalposts.

However, why are you even bringing that team up? They weren't even good.

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You are judging guys on height, which is dumb. You need to consider wingspan, talent (including ability to rebound/defend), as well as a host of other things. If you don't think we can have successful 6-7 guys play in the front court, well, you are wrong.

Look, don't act so stupid.

Of course there are many things to take into account beyond height when recruiting. EVERYONE already knows all of that so don't act like you are enlightening anyone by saying it. If that weren't the case then any 6'-10 guy off the street would do just fine wouldn't they?

(07-21-2017 01:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In your exact quote you say, "6-7 is good size for a small forward, we should be looking for bigger than that for the other two positions (PF/C)." Its not safe to assume you are saying 6-7 is too small to play them?

What is safe to assume is exactly what I said ... we should be looking for bigger players than 6'-7" at those positions - PF/C.

Why would I care about Jeff Jones vs. Paul Webb's team? Again, that is on a whole different tangent. Stay on point and stop moving the goalposts.

LOL. You are the one that keeps jumping all around. You are the one that mentioned how the game is totally different since the days of Mark West with the implication there that those teams and that line of thinking (bigger size inside) is "antique". I simply gave a response to show otherwise.

However, why are you even bringing that team up? They weren't even good.

LOL. By comparison to what (before you move the goal post again), the 2016/2017 Golden State Warriors? Or the 2017/2018 ODU Monarchs?

This is dumb, but they were something like 19-12 and lost in the conference tourney and NIT. Some of you guys would have been firing Webb on the spot.