(03-26-2017 10:41 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 3 hours ago

"Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!"

Guess he realizes blaming the Democrats isn't exactly the right response when you have a majority in Congress.

Well, that's extremely misguided.

But eh... Trump.

All water under the bridge now. We are stuck with Obamacare. I'll be surprised if this opportunity comes again.

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(03-26-2017 12:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  It's no longer obamacare to me. It's freedomkochcuscare.

More cumbersome to say but reflects reality

Nope. Still Obamacare. Instead of TrumpObamacare.

(03-26-2017 01:40 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If Trump didn't like the outcome, maybe he should have put actual effort into the policy itself. Because his own top aides were telling the media he "either didn't know, didn't care, or both" regarding the policy behind the bill.

When has he shown to really care too much about the details of any policy? For better or worse he doesn't get bogged down in the specifics of anything and just worries about getting what he wants done by whatever means necessary. That's not always a bad thing, but in a decision like this which really is about life and death for people that might not work.

I agree, and I think his inexperience in DC is going to be a big challenge in working with Congress on areas where he can't just sign an EO to do what he wants. Legislative politics are a very delicate balancing act for a president, you have to pick an issue that is relevant to them (by being relevant to their constituencies for reelection) yet the solution has to have a tangible political benefit for them. You can't hand-deliver a detailed bill and expect the diverse range of congressional interests to go along with it, nor can you just defer to leadership and tell them to do it all without having much direction. The Clintons did the first with Hillarycare and got b!tch-slapped back to the eighties. Obama basically took the latter approach with healthcare, it was a miracle they got the ACA through because probably at no other time in American history could you pass such broad, sweeping reform with such little direction.

The way to do it well is to give a few specific directions, but let Congress do its job and fill in the details instead of micromanaging the process. Reagan did this with his big tax reform, he reportedly went to party leadership and just said something like "give me a tax plan with lower rates, close the loopholes, and (some third thing I always forget) and I'll sign it, you fill in the blanks." Trump needs to be more hands-on and tell them that he needs X, Y, and Z out of healthcare reform, but the problem is that the issue is so complex that even just saying "repeal Obamacare and deregulate the market" is so incredibly vague that it's difficult to squeeze through.

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Agree. This sits solely on the GOP obstructionists in 2018. If they can't repeal it before then they are going to answer for it at the polls.

No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

nothing like finger banging ones own bungholio....

(03-26-2017 03:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its an interesting strategy. Basically, he's moving on----leaving the Freedom Caucus/Heritage etc to explain to their voters why they still have OC and are still funding Planned Parenthood. I think the strategy may work. I think what Trump is doing is walking way from both Ryan Care AND Obama Care. If the Republican majority wants to do something, they will have to come together, craft a bill that both sides support---and then bring it to the president with the votes. Otherwise---the president is done with it until it Obamacare collapses and enough Dems are willing to work on it to ensure success. He's not going to go to battle again with a fractured party that cant shoot straight.

Agree. This sits solely on the GOP obstructionists in 2018. If they can't repeal it before then they are going to answer for it at the polls.

No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

That was prior to full implementation of ObamaCare? If you do that now a bunch of people lose their insurance I am guessing.

Trump should invite CEOs of Hospital systems and Practice groups. Tell them to coordinate with their smartest people, put stuff on paper and come to DC for a week long "Health Insurance Summit". Insurance CEOs come also.

Any change to the health care system throws people off their current insurance. When the dems forced Obamacare down our throats, I was forced off my insurance. I didn't want to lose it. I got another one, but I don't like it as much. Any change will effect some people.

Any discussions for crafting changes to the health care system must involve deep discussions with the pharmaceutical conglomerates, insurance industry, and tort reform. There are many factors impacting the raising costs of health care. Some have too much influence on the overall system.

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

You are making a foolish mistake if you believe the dems are dead.

(03-26-2017 05:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

nothing like finger banging ones own bungholio....

I guess that counts as a response.

(03-26-2017 05:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

nothing like finger banging ones own bungholio....

I guess that counts as a response.

accomplishing zero when looking for change and in command always results in zero (false)

was that better???

(03-26-2017 05:40 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 03:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its an interesting strategy. Basically, he's moving on----leaving the Freedom Caucus/Heritage etc to explain to their voters why they still have OC and are still funding Planned Parenthood. I think the strategy may work. I think what Trump is doing is walking way from both Ryan Care AND Obama Care. If the Republican majority wants to do something, they will have to come together, craft a bill that both sides support---and then bring it to the president with the votes. Otherwise---the president is done with it until it Obamacare collapses and enough Dems are willing to work on it to ensure success. He's not going to go to battle again with a fractured party that cant shoot straight.

Agree. This sits solely on the GOP obstructionists in 2018. If they can't repeal it before then they are going to answer for it at the polls.

No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

That was prior to full implementation of ObamaCare? If you do that now a bunch of people lose their insurance I am guessing.

Trump should invite CEOs of Hospital systems and Practice groups. Tell them to coordinate with their smartest people, put stuff on paper and come to DC for a week long "Health Insurance Summit". Insurance CEOs come also.

Any change to the health care system throws people off their current insurance. When the dems forced Obamacare down our throats, I was forced off my insurance. I didn't want to lose it. I got another one, but I don't like it as much. Any change will effect some people.

Any discussions for crafting changes to the health care system must involve deep discussions with the pharmaceutical conglomerates, insurance industry, and tort reform. There are many factors impacting the raising costs of health care. Some have too much influence on the overall system.

There's a difference between losing your current insurance but being able to get something else vs losing your insurance but not being able to get anything else either due to cost or preexisting condition.

(03-26-2017 05:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

You are making a foolish mistake if you believe the dems are dead.

If Republicans continue to play internal factional games and getting nothing accomplished instead of governing party then they are gone in two years.

(03-26-2017 05:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

You are making a foolish mistake if you believe the dems are dead.

No the dems have a strong chance of winning the presidency in 2020. I am quite concerned about the possibilities of a candidate like Cory Booker. If he stays away from scandal, he could surely win. I sure hope Hillary runs again.

In the house and senate races, I don't feel the dems have any real advantages in the midterms. They have a larger portion of seats up for re-election.

(03-26-2017 05:46 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor. If that happens---all will be forgotten.

As for Trump, it reminds me of the a lot of the first 2 months of Regan. He couldn't get anything done early on. He got shot near the very end of March--just a couple of months into his first year in office. When he returned from his injuries---he suddenly had a ton of good will behind him. That was when he started getting things done. Before that---everything he wanted was dead on arrival.

The Tea Party understands that their strength is based in their ability to accrue more seats. Rest assure, those establishment republicans will face Tea Party challengers in the midterms. And they would be smart to get this passed before those elections come around. The establishment reps will be asked why they didn't back a clean repeal when the had the chance. By then, increasing premiums will doom those reps with the voters. The Freedom Caucus will be able to point to the CBO report and say they wanted a clean repeal, and didn't vote for ryancare, because it wasn't going to deduce health care cost at all. dems will just continue to hemorrhage seats as the weight of this monstrosity crushes the middle class. Obamacare will be repealed after the midterms, if moderates are not smart enough to pass it now.

As to the second paragraph... Trump is no Reagan.

You are making a foolish mistake if you believe the dems are dead.

No the dems have a strong chance of winning the presidency in 2020. I am quite concerned about the possibilities of a candidate like Cory Booker. If he stays away from scandal, he could surely win. I sure hope Hillary runs again.

In the house and senate races, I don't feel the dems have any real advantages in the midterms. They have a larger portion of seats up for re-election.

They aren't going to win the Senate most likely because they have to defend more seats. But in the House, it is all up for grabs.

The incumbent party usually loses in the mid-terms....and that's when they aren't particularly incompetent.

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its an interesting strategy. Basically, he's moving on----leaving the Freedom Caucus/Heritage etc to explain to their voters why they still have OC and are still funding Planned Parenthood. I think the strategy may work. I think what Trump is doing is walking way from both Ryan Care AND Obama Care. If the Republican majority wants to do something, they will have to come together, craft a bill that both sides support---and then bring it to the president with the votes. Otherwise---the president is done with it until it Obamacare collapses and enough Dems are willing to work on it to ensure success. He's not going to go to battle again with a fractured party that cant shoot straight.

Agree. This sits solely on the GOP obstructionists in 2018. If they can't repeal it before then they are going to answer for it at the polls.

No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced. Time will tell

Im through with this topic

https://youtu.be/v-0CMKnlfuM

Republicans don't have 60 seats in the Senate. The clean repeals were meaningless. When time came for a real vote they voted to keep Obamacare instead of improving it.

(03-26-2017 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 01:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its an interesting strategy. Basically, he's moving on----leaving the Freedom Caucus/Heritage etc to explain to their voters why they still have OC and are still funding Planned Parenthood. I think the strategy may work. I think what Trump is doing is walking way from both Ryan Care AND Obama Care. If the Republican majority wants to do something, they will have to come together, craft a bill that both sides support---and then bring it to the president with the votes. Otherwise---the president is done with it until it Obamacare collapses and enough Dems are willing to work on it to ensure success. He's not going to go to battle again with a fractured party that cant shoot straight.

Agree. This sits solely on the GOP obstructionists in 2018. If they can't repeal it before then they are going to answer for it at the polls.

No, they won't. These people were sent to Washington to get rid of Obamacare, not place a new version of it on the backs of Americans. These establishment house republicans have passed "clean" repeals of Obamacare in the past. Now, that they have both chambers and the presidency, they won't step up and do it. They will have to go before the voters of their districts and explain why they would not pass a clean repeal.

I have news for you. The representatives within the Freedom Caucus won't be replaced at the polls in 2018. The voters in those districts will keep sending them back. I have said it before... Trump's ability to successfully govern is directly tied to his ability to appease the Freedom Caucus. His resent post was a bad mistake.

We shall see. People are angry and the freedom caucus rep in my state will likely be replaced.

Year after year, I hear the Tea Party wing of the republican party is going to get replaced at the polls... and they only gain more seats. These Freedom Caucus members grew out of the Tea Party. Establishment republicans have been dropping the ball for years. Their inability to get behind a clean repeal (as they have in the past), is the reason why the house didn't get it done.

Never in the history of our country have the people ever been forced to purchase anything.... until Obamacare was forced on us by democrats. It is hard to be a free, when the government is forcing you to buy something. Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. After that, we can work on crafting a real solution to the medical system.

The Freedom Caucus is not the "Tea Party." The Tea Party were the deficit hawks and were not ideological. The Freedom Caucus is just general hard core conservatives and very ideological.

(03-26-2017 03:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 02:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The problem with the Tea Party is they don't understand winning. You NEVER get everthing you want at one time in a political system like ours. Moving the ball in the right direction is the real goal (lol---often, just not having the ball in the wrong direction is a win these days). Im not convinced the Ryancare bill was all that great--so, Im not that bothered by its failure. I do think its failure may result in a better bill that is cooperatively written by all stakeholders allowing it to have a majority coalition BEFORE being brought to the floor.

This was reconciliation...you can only do so much without needing 60 votes in the Senate...which you will NOT get.

So the only way to deal with Obamacare was to come up with something that would pass the House....require only 51 votes in the Senate and pass there. At this point you take what you can get and pass a bill.

It reminds me a lot of Senator Tim Hutchinson here in Arkansas. He was a reliable conservative vote in the Senate...one of the most reliable solid conservative votes there was. But he divorced his wife and married his secretary....and conservatives gasped and refused to vote for him and he got defeated and we got years of Mark Pryor instead of a reliable conservative vote.

So Freedom Caucus can all pat each other on the back about how good they feel about their principled failure while they break their promise and America is stuck with a horrible socialist healthcare system that is a drag on the economy. Congratulations!

That's why I think they should just repeal it. The replacement can come later. The fact the replacement will require 60 votes might actually be a good thing. It means it will have to be a bill that makes enough sense to garner broad bi-partisan support.

But they can also filibuster a repeal so it would take 60 votes which can't happen. This is even assuming that your pseudo-Republicans from Maine et. al. would be on board to get 51.

At this point, take what you can get to eliminate the most socialist parts of the thing and pass a bill, even if it is nowhere near what you want. It's still better than Obamacare.

Such a chance to gut it with both houses and the executive may not come again for a very, very, long time.

I don't think that's right. Otherwise Ryancare would have required 60 votes as well since it repeals Obamacare. That said, Im no reconciliation expert--so maybe your right.

They turned it into technically a tax/budget issue so they only need 51. Full repeal would take 60.

Eh, I'm in no hurry to see Republicans take the credit/blame for a lousy healthcare system. I'll patently wait for a real change.

(03-26-2017 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Eh, I'm in no hurry to see Republicans take the credit/blame for a lousy healthcare system. I'll patently wait for a real change.

Exactly. The FC should be seen as heroes. We have plenty of time to get this right. WTF is the rush?

(03-26-2017 07:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Eh, I'm in no hurry to see Republicans take the credit/blame for a lousy healthcare system. I'll patently wait for a real change.

Exactly. The FC should be seen as heroes. We have plenty of time to get this right. WTF is the rush?

Tell me about it.

It's like Let's Make a Deal and behind one of three doors is a brand new Cadillac. The woman picks door number one and it's a case of toilet paper. Monty shows what's behind door number two and it's a portrait of Trump embracing Obama. Monty asks if the woman wants to stay with door one or go with what's behind door number three and the husbands yelling "take the toilet paper".