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(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BTW - Sessions has made a statement

Quote:“During the course of the confirmation proceedings on my nomination to be Attorney General, I advised the Senate Judiciary Committee that ‘[i]f a specific matter arose where I believed my impartiality might reasonably be questioned, I would consult with Department ethics officials regarding the most appropriate way to proceed.’

“During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.

“I have taken no actions regarding any such matters, to the extent they exist.

“This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation.

“Consistent with the succession order for the Department of Justice, Acting Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Dane Boente shall act as and perform the functions of the Attorney General with respect to any matters from which I have recused myself to the extent they exist.”

So Sessions has already shown he's more honorable than Loretta Lynch.
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(03-02-2017 04:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:56 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:13 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Remember when the Obama white house openly interfered with the election in Israel? I member. Where was the outrage by the left then? BUT THE SANCTITY OF THE ELECTORAL PROCESS IS AT STAKE!!!!!!

Would be cool if our democrat legislators would actually you know, legislate, rather than chase this magic dragon every day.

No. They didn't. One guy who used to work for Obama went to work for a guy in Israel. That was the extent of the interfering.

Try harder.

White house sent money to OneVoice who trains activists to oppose Bibi, also sends over former campaign staffer to use Obama campaign strategies over there.

Why did we sending money to OneVoice?

It sure sounds like meddling to me. Either way, it's not like there was some huge stink raised about it...a few news stories. Not some giant conspiracy theory like is being thrown around now.

What I want to know is, where is the proof that something actually happened? There's tapes? RELEASE THEM. Say what you actually think happened. Specifically. Who interfered? When? How? Who was affected? What voting systems were tampered with? How many votes?

Otherwise the left needs to STFU.

Source?

Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.
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Perjury is a pretty high hill to climb, and on the facts presented so far, this situation doesn't climb that hill. For one thing, I believe Franken's question would be ruled out of order in a Texas court room. I'd be interested in comments of attorneys from other states about that, as procedures differ from state to state. For another thing, particularly in the context in which it was asked, I think there is strong reason for Sessions to answer the question as if it was addressed specifically to political contacts in his capacity as a member of the Trump administration-to-be, and at the dates in question, I don't think Sessions was onboard the Trump campaign. He could certainly argue with credibility that was his understanding, and absent some really damaging disclosure elsewhere, that should pretty much kill any perjury action. I think the McCaskill sequence is instructive. You're a senator in DC, you're going to run into ambassadors all the time in all sorts of places, so often that those incidents cease to make an impression on you when they occur.

That being said, I don't think Sessions handled it very well. Things that I think he could have done better would be 1) to ask to see whatever it is that Franken's question was based on, something like, "I don't comment on things that I have not seen or heard myself, so before I answer, could you please provide me with a copy of whatever information you have received so that my response can be appropriate?" Then I would ask for a clarification of the question, "Do you mean any contact with any Russian, such as running into him/her at a cocktail party or other social event, or are you referring only to meetings with a specific political intent?" And my response would be something like, "I don't keep a running tally of my social calendar in my head, and I did not review my calendar to prepare for this meeting, but at this point I don't recall any such meeting, and I specifically am certain that no meeting for purely political purposes occurred."

I don't think there's much of anything to this whole Russian conspiracy theory. For one thing, if I were Vladimir Putin seeking to exert some kind of control over the USA, I don't believe that getting Donald Trump elected president is the approach that I would take. That being said, I think the quickest way for this to end is for Sessions to recuse himself and an investigation take place. With CIA and DNI under new hands, my guess is that those intel estimates that Russia hijacked our election will go away, and Comey will go along with that conclusion. So far I've seen a whole lot of innuendo but precious little in the way of factual information that would support the allegations made.

Bottom line: So Sessions had two meetings with the Russian Ambassador over the last 6 months, one of them apparently little more, if any, than a chance meeting, like seeing your doctor at the grocery store. That would certainly not support an allegation that he is conspiring with "the Russians" to do anything.
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(03-02-2017 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Perjury is a pretty high hill to climb, and on the facts presented so far, this situation doesn't climb that hill. For one thing, I believe Franken's question would be ruled out of order in a Texas court room. I'd be interested in comments of attorneys from other states about that, as procedures differ from state to state. For another thing, particularly in the context in which it was asked, I think there is strong reason for Sessions to answer the question as if it was addressed specifically to political contacts in his capacity as a member of the Trump administration-to-be, and at the dates in question, I don't think Sessions was onboard the Trump campaign. He could certainly argue with credibility that was his understanding, and absent some really damaging disclosure elsewhere, that should pretty much kill any perjury action. I think the McCaskill sequence is instructive. You're a senator in DC, you're going to run into ambassadors all the time in all sorts of places, so often that those incidents cease to make an impression on you when they occur.

That being said, I don't think Sessions handled it very well. Things that I think he could have done better would be 1) to ask to see whatever it is that Franken's question was based on, something like, "I don't comment on things that I have not seen or heard myself, so before I answer, could you please provide me with a copy of whatever information you have received so that my response can be appropriate?" Then I would ask for a clarification of the question, "Do you mean any contact with any Russian, such as running into him/her at a cocktail party or other social event, or are you referring only to meetings with a specific political intent?" And my response would be something like, "I don't keep a running tally of my social calendar in my head, and I did not review my calendar to prepare for this meeting, but at this point I don't recall any such meeting, and I specifically am certain that no meeting for purely political purposes occurred."

I don't think there's much of anything to this whole Russian conspiracy theory. For one thing, if I were Vladimir Putin seeking to exert some kind of control over the USA, I don't believe that getting Donald Trump elected president is the approach that I would take. That being said, I think the quickest way for this to end is for Sessions to recuse himself and an investigation take place. With CIA and DNI under new hands, my guess is that those intel estimates that Russia hijacked our election will go away, and Comey will go along with that conclusion. So far I've seen a whole lot of innuendo but precious little in the way of factual information that would support the allegations made.

Bottom line: So Sessions had two meetings with the Russian Ambassador over the last 6 months, one of them apparently little more, if any, than a chance meeting, like seeing your doctor at the grocery store. That would certainly not support an allegation that he is conspiring with "the Russians" to do anything.

And the other meeting was in an official capacity in his Senate office. Not, say, on some remote tarmac in the back of a plane where all those present were instructed to turn off all phones and devices and ordered no comments or disclosure of anything.

Big nothing-burger.
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so why did yall care so much about perjury over oral sex but all of the sudden act as if it is justifiable.
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(03-02-2017 04:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BTW - Sessions has made a statement

Quote:“During the course of the confirmation proceedings on my nomination to be Attorney General, I advised the Senate Judiciary Committee that ‘[i]f a specific matter arose where I believed my impartiality might reasonably be questioned, I would consult with Department ethics officials regarding the most appropriate way to proceed.’

“During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.

“I have taken no actions regarding any such matters, to the extent they exist.

“This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation.

“Consistent with the succession order for the Department of Justice, Acting Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Dane Boente shall act as and perform the functions of the Attorney General with respect to any matters from which I have recused myself to the extent they exist.”

So Sessions has already shown he's more honorable than Loretta Lynch.
Yep.

How many times did she plead the 5th. Thank God those idiots are out.
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(03-02-2017 05:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BTW - Sessions has made a statement

Quote:“During the course of the confirmation proceedings on my nomination to be Attorney General, I advised the Senate Judiciary Committee that ‘[i]f a specific matter arose where I believed my impartiality might reasonably be questioned, I would consult with Department ethics officials regarding the most appropriate way to proceed.’

“During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.

“I have taken no actions regarding any such matters, to the extent they exist.

“This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation.

“Consistent with the succession order for the Department of Justice, Acting Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Dane Boente shall act as and perform the functions of the Attorney General with respect to any matters from which I have recused myself to the extent they exist.”

So Sessions has already shown he's more honorable than Loretta Lynch.
Yep.

How many times did she plead the 5th. Thank God those idiots are out.

Is this a trick question? The actual answer is not once, right?
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(03-02-2017 05:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 05:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BTW - Sessions has made a statement

Quote:“During the course of the confirmation proceedings on my nomination to be Attorney General, I advised the Senate Judiciary Committee that ‘[i]f a specific matter arose where I believed my impartiality might reasonably be questioned, I would consult with Department ethics officials regarding the most appropriate way to proceed.’

“During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.

“I have taken no actions regarding any such matters, to the extent they exist.

“This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation.

“Consistent with the succession order for the Department of Justice, Acting Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Dane Boente shall act as and perform the functions of the Attorney General with respect to any matters from which I have recused myself to the extent they exist.”

So Sessions has already shown he's more honorable than Loretta Lynch.
Yep.

How many times did she plead the 5th. Thank God those idiots are out.

Is this a trick question? The actual answer is not once, right?

So she answered the questions she was legally required to answer? If she did not, she pled the 5th. Thats the only way you can get out of answering a legitimate question.
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(03-02-2017 05:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 05:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BTW - Sessions has made a statement

Quote:“During the course of the confirmation proceedings on my nomination to be Attorney General, I advised the Senate Judiciary Committee that ‘[i]f a specific matter arose where I believed my impartiality might reasonably be questioned, I would consult with Department ethics officials regarding the most appropriate way to proceed.’

“During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.

“I have taken no actions regarding any such matters, to the extent they exist.

“This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation.

“Consistent with the succession order for the Department of Justice, Acting Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Dane Boente shall act as and perform the functions of the Attorney General with respect to any matters from which I have recused myself to the extent they exist.”

So Sessions has already shown he's more honorable than Loretta Lynch.
Yep.

How many times did she plead the 5th. Thank God those idiots are out.

Is this a trick question? The actual answer is not once, right?

Probably meant the other LL crook, Lois Lerner. Just a guess.
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(03-02-2017 04:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:56 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:13 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Remember when the Obama white house openly interfered with the election in Israel? I member. Where was the outrage by the left then? BUT THE SANCTITY OF THE ELECTORAL PROCESS IS AT STAKE!!!!!!

Would be cool if our democrat legislators would actually you know, legislate, rather than chase this magic dragon every day.

No. They didn't. One guy who used to work for Obama went to work for a guy in Israel. That was the extent of the interfering.

Try harder.

White house sent money to OneVoice who trains activists to oppose Bibi, also sends over former campaign staffer to use Obama campaign strategies over there.

Why did we sending money to OneVoice?

It sure sounds like meddling to me. Either way, it's not like there was some huge stink raised about it...a few news stories. Not some giant conspiracy theory like is being thrown around now.

What I want to know is, where is the proof that something actually happened? There's tapes? RELEASE THEM. Say what you actually think happened. Specifically. Who interfered? When? How? Who was affected? What voting systems were tampered with? How many votes?

Otherwise the left needs to STFU.

Source?

Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

I was shocked...I didn't see Kevin Bacon's name mentioned!

Quote:So the connecting of the dots goes like this. Obama’s State Department gives OneVoice money. OneVoice trains student activists. Later, OneVoice strikes up a partnership with V15, which is aided by a former Obama campaign hand. V15, a voter mobilization project, wants to "disrupt the status quo." The status quo in this case is Netanyahu.

Finally, the allegation that the money was spent to fund anti-Likud, anti-Netanyahu groups in Israel for the election is based on speculation. Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game. It would be naive to ignore that OneVoice’s policy positions mesh well with V15’s voter mobilization, but that’s different from saying that American taxpayer dollars were spent by V15.

This claim rates Mostly False.
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(03-02-2017 05:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so why did yall care so much about perjury over oral sex but all of the sudden act as if it is justifiable.

Because this isn't perjury. Try to keep up.
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(03-02-2017 05:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:56 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No. They didn't. One guy who used to work for Obama went to work for a guy in Israel. That was the extent of the interfering.

Try harder.

White house sent money to OneVoice who trains activists to oppose Bibi, also sends over former campaign staffer to use Obama campaign strategies over there.

Why did we sending money to OneVoice?

It sure sounds like meddling to me. Either way, it's not like there was some huge stink raised about it...a few news stories. Not some giant conspiracy theory like is being thrown around now.

What I want to know is, where is the proof that something actually happened? There's tapes? RELEASE THEM. Say what you actually think happened. Specifically. Who interfered? When? How? Who was affected? What voting systems were tampered with? How many votes?

Otherwise the left needs to STFU.

Source?

Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

I was shocked...I didn't see Kevin Bacon's name mentioned!

Quote:So the connecting of the dots goes like this. Obama’s State Department gives OneVoice money. OneVoice trains student activists. Later, OneVoice strikes up a partnership with V15, which is aided by a former Obama campaign hand. V15, a voter mobilization project, wants to "disrupt the status quo." The status quo in this case is Netanyahu.

Finally, the allegation that the money was spent to fund anti-Likud, anti-Netanyahu groups in Israel for the election is based on speculation. Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game. It would be naive to ignore that OneVoice’s policy positions mesh well with V15’s voter mobilization, but that’s different from saying that American taxpayer dollars were spent by V15.

This claim rates Mostly False.
Blog claims U.S. funded anti-Netanyahu election effort in Israel

So up to 49% true.
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Another twisted lie
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After Session comes up clean he's going to be one pissed off AG. If I were a democrat with a skeleton in my closet I would be very worried. 04-jawdrop
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Comes up clean!!!!????!!!!!!


He's a already perjured himself. There's no clean .
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(03-02-2017 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Perjury is a pretty high hill to climb, and on the facts presented so far, this situation doesn't climb that hill. For one thing, I believe Franken's question would be ruled out of order in a Texas court room. I'd be interested in comments of attorneys from other states about that, as procedures differ from state to state. For another thing, particularly in the context in which it was asked, I think there is strong reason for Sessions to answer the question as if it was addressed specifically to political contacts in his capacity as a member of the Trump administration-to-be, and at the dates in question, I don't think Sessions was onboard the Trump campaign. He could certainly argue with credibility that was his understanding, and absent some really damaging disclosure elsewhere, that should pretty much kill any perjury action. I think the McCaskill sequence is instructive. You're a senator in DC, you're going to run into ambassadors all the time in all sorts of places, so often that those incidents cease to make an impression on you when they occur.

That being said, I don't think Sessions handled it very well. Things that I think he could have done better would be 1) to ask to see whatever it is that Franken's question was based on, something like, "I don't comment on things that I have not seen or heard myself, so before I answer, could you please provide me with a copy of whatever information you have received so that my response can be appropriate?" Then I would ask for a clarification of the question, "Do you mean any contact with any Russian, such as running into him/her at a cocktail party or other social event, or are you referring only to meetings with a specific political intent?" And my response would be something like, "I don't keep a running tally of my social calendar in my head, and I did not review my calendar to prepare for this meeting, but at this point I don't recall any such meeting, and I specifically am certain that no meeting for purely political purposes occurred."

I don't think there's much of anything to this whole Russian conspiracy theory. For one thing, if I were Vladimir Putin seeking to exert some kind of control over the USA, I don't believe that getting Donald Trump elected president is the approach that I would take. That being said, I think the quickest way for this to end is for Sessions to recuse himself and an investigation take place. With CIA and DNI under new hands, my guess is that those intel estimates that Russia hijacked our election will go away, and Comey will go along with that conclusion. So far I've seen a whole lot of innuendo but precious little in the way of factual information that would support the allegations made.

Bottom line: So Sessions had two meetings with the Russian Ambassador over the last 6 months, one of them apparently little more, if any, than a chance meeting, like seeing your doctor at the grocery store. That would certainly not support an allegation that he is conspiring with "the Russians" to do anything.


Either Sessions is an idiot, or he just plain out lie. He went off on an answer to a question that had nothing to do about him, but he volunteer to answer it anyways.
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Tempest in a teacup
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(03-02-2017 07:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Comes up clean!!!!????!!!!!!


He's a already perjured himself. There's no clean .
by your interpretation.... listen to the entire exchange in context. It's pretty clear the questioning is in regards to time on the Trump campaign.

Even if he did perjured himself... where is the evidence that there was coordination between Trump and Russia? Still waiting on those Flynn tapes.

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So what about Claire Mccaskill having met with the russians.... And, lying about it.

I think recusing himself is a good idea, it looks better. But man it's funny to see the left who lived in a "not a smidgen of corruption" mode during the IRS hearings get in a snit over this.
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If any libturds are going to ***** about Sessions, who has not lied or done anything wrong, they must first show where they called out Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, who both did things illegal and unethical.

I'll be waiting....
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