(03-16-2016 05:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Id like to know more facts before rendering an opinion. The fact that he was killed outside the home troubles me a bit.

Miami-Dade police said there was a confrontation and shots were fired. Police said they were on scene seconds after the shooting and gave CPR to the teen. Johnson was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.



We don't know if He charged back at Her when She fired. That is Self Defense

(03-16-2016 06:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:38 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 10:39 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  He had it coming. One less welfare mooch for the productive members of society to support.

I reserve my sympathy for real victims.

WTF is wrong with y'all?

You want us to feel sorry for a criminal?


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Maybe just don't seem so overjoyed that a kid is dead
for breaking into a house? That doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for him, or think that the homeowner should be punished, or think guns should be banned, or any other thing you might want to twist this into.

Maybe he would have grown into a violent career criminal, as most of you seem to think that was a foregone conclusion. Or maybe he was a 17 year old knucklehead doing something stupid, and he got unlucky. Ben Carson was a violent thug as a youth (lol), guess the world would have been better off if he had been killed as well?

So we should have let him lived to see if he would commit more crimes or not? Yep, that's pretty logical

Bottom line, he committed a crime, he got what he deserved.


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The Muslims say...steal and we'll cut off your hand

The good Christian says all criminals should just die...remember that the first time the local sheriff brings your kid home...Ill expect strict enforcement of your Christian sharia law

(03-16-2016 06:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 05:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Id like to know more facts before rendering an opinion. The fact that he was killed outside the home troubles me a bit.

Miami-Dade police said there was a confrontation and shots were fired. Police said they were on scene seconds after the shooting and gave CPR to the teen. Johnson was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
We don't know if He charged back at Her when She fired. That is Self Defense

Those things are antithetical to each other...

(03-16-2016 06:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:38 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  WTF is wrong with y'all?

You want us to feel sorry for a criminal?


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Maybe just don't seem so overjoyed that a kid is dead
for breaking into a house? That doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for him, or think that the homeowner should be punished, or think guns should be banned, or any other thing you might want to twist this into.

Maybe he would have grown into a violent career criminal, as most of you seem to think that was a foregone conclusion. Or maybe he was a 17 year old knucklehead doing something stupid, and he got unlucky. Ben Carson was a violent thug as a youth (lol), guess the world would have been better off if he had been killed as well?

So we should have let him lived to see if he would commit more crimes or not? Yep, that's pretty logical

Bottom line, he committed a crime, he got what he deserved.


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The Muslims say...steal and we'll cut off your hand

The good Christian says all criminals should just die...remember that the first time the local sheriff brings your kid home...Ill expect strict enforcement of your Christian sharia law

So now you know that my kid will be a criminal? What else can you tell me about my future Nostradamus?

But now you want to turn this into a religious debates? Hmmm I wonder what's the next step...


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(03-16-2016 07:01 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:38 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  You want us to feel sorry for a criminal?


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Maybe just don't seem so overjoyed that a kid is dead
for breaking into a house? That doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for him, or think that the homeowner should be punished, or think guns should be banned, or any other thing you might want to twist this into.

Maybe he would have grown into a violent career criminal, as most of you seem to think that was a foregone conclusion. Or maybe he was a 17 year old knucklehead doing something stupid, and he got unlucky. Ben Carson was a violent thug as a youth (lol), guess the world would have been better off if he had been killed as well?

So we should have let him lived to see if he would commit more crimes or not? Yep, that's pretty logical

Bottom line, he committed a crime, he got what he deserved.


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The Muslims say...steal and we'll cut off your hand

The good Christian says all criminals should just die...remember that the first time the local sheriff brings your kid home...Ill expect strict enforcement of your Christian sharia law

So now you know that my kid will be a criminal? What else can you tell me about my future Nostradamus?

But now you want to turn this into a religious debates? Hmmm I wonder what's the next step...


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I've never met anyone who's kids are perfect little angels and have never been in trouble...as I said, I expect strict enforcement...kill the little criminal, you say it's what they deserve.

Naw--tee--ka.

(03-16-2016 07:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:01 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 06:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 04:38 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Maybe just don't seem so overjoyed that a kid is dead
for breaking into a house? That doesn't mean you have to feel sorry for him, or think that the homeowner should be punished, or think guns should be banned, or any other thing you might want to twist this into.

Maybe he would have grown into a violent career criminal, as most of you seem to think that was a foregone conclusion. Or maybe he was a 17 year old knucklehead doing something stupid, and he got unlucky. Ben Carson was a violent thug as a youth (lol), guess the world would have been better off if he had been killed as well?

So we should have let him lived to see if he would commit more crimes or not? Yep, that's pretty logical

Bottom line, he committed a crime, he got what he deserved.


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The Muslims say...steal and we'll cut off your hand

The good Christian says all criminals should just die...remember that the first time the local sheriff brings your kid home...Ill expect strict enforcement of your Christian sharia law

So now you know that my kid will be a criminal? What else can you tell me about my future Nostradamus?

But now you want to turn this into a religious debates? Hmmm I wonder what's the next step...


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I've never met anyone who's kids are perfect little angels and have never been in trouble...as I said, I expect strict enforcement...kill the little criminal, you say it's what they deserve.

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mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

This is simple. If the entry wound was in the front of the body then it's an act of self defense. If the entry wound is in his back, it's a homicide and the homeowner gets prosecuted for it. The key here is if the homeowner had the reasonable expectation that her life was at risk from a young male burglarizing her house. As I understand it, the key to the castle doctrines in the states that have them, the goal is to allow a homeowner to protect his/her life and the family. If the woman shot the guy in the back while he's fleeing with her TV, that's not right. But from what it sounds like in the article, she found him coming out her window and they were likely facing each other. In that case, what would the man do? Would he rush her or just try to run away? She doesn't know, and frankly she should assume the worst and protect herself. Again, assuming they were facing each other while on her property.

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

(03-16-2016 07:21 AM)miko33 Wrote:  This is simple. If the entry wound was in the front of the body then it's an act of self defense. If the entry wound is in his back, it's a homicide and the homeowner gets prosecuted for it. The key here is if the homeowner had the reasonable expectation that her life was at risk from a young male burglarizing her house. As I understand it, the key to the castle doctrines in the states that have them, the goal is to allow a homeowner to protect his/her life and the family. If the woman shot the guy in the back while he's fleeing with her TV, that's not right. But from what it sounds like in the article, she found him coming out her window and they were likely facing each other. In that case, what would the man do? Would he rush her or just try to run away? She doesn't know, and frankly she should assume the worst and protect herself. Again, assuming they were facing each other while on her property.

yep....and regardless of state statutes, there isn't a jury that could be developed that would convict based on that alone....

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

so I should be happy he's dead?

I have a problem with the kids death being celebrated...

(03-16-2016 07:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

I have a problem

simple fify

(03-16-2016 07:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

so I should be happy he's dead?

I have a problem with the kids death being celebrated...

So you can't answer the question directly. I don't care about your pissing match.

(03-16-2016 07:34 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

so I should be happy he's dead?

I have a problem with the kids death being celebrated...

So you can't answer the question directly. I don't care about your pissing match.

I didn't contend otherwise, so I have no need to answer...

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in her house.

True but it's Just a matter of time. If He got away, He likely would have done it again somewhere else. that probably wasn't his first rodeo anyway. You take the risk at Your own peril when You knowingly commit crimes. Sooner or later you get caught as the odds are against You.

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

Well you can keep being sad all you want, I won't lose sleep over it. I didn't tell the kid to go ahead and commit crimes. A crime that can get you killed. Funny though, if he had killed the women, that kid would probably get tried as an adult...


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(03-16-2016 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:34 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  mad? no...I'm sad...just another dead kid in 'the greatest country on earth'

while you cheer, no less.

True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

so I should be happy he's dead?

I have a problem with the kids death being celebrated...

So you can't answer the question directly. I don't care about your pissing match.

I didn't contend otherwise, so I have no need to answer...

I can sympathize with your position to an extent - specifically the celebration in the kids death. I'm sure if you ask the woman who defended herself, she would have rather the kid never have been there in the first place instead of killing someone. I don't think any sane person takes delight in seeing someone die. I'm sure everyone in this thread would prefer to see the kid in this article being an honest, upstanding member of society who wanted to make a future for himself instead of a dead burglar. Unfortunately, the kid chose to break into a home and try to steal from a homeowner. When the homeowner encountered the young man on her property, she had to make a snap decision about protecting herself. You have no idea what this kid would have done coming face to face with a witness to his crime - especially if she got a good look at his face...

(03-16-2016 07:51 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:34 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  True or False... This kid wouldn't have gotten shot if he wasn't in herhouse.

so I should be happy he's dead?

I have a problem with the kids death being celebrated...

So you can't answer the question directly. I don't care about your pissing match.

I didn't contend otherwise, so I have no need to answer...

I can sympathize with your position to an extent - specifically the celebration in the kids death. I'm sure if you ask the woman who defended herself, she would have rather the kid never have been there in the first place instead of killing someone. I don't think any sane person takes delight in seeing someone die. I'm sure everyone in this thread would prefer to see the kid in this article being an honest, upstanding member of society who wanted to make a future for himself instead of a dead burglar. Unfortunately, the kid chose to break into a home and try to steal from a homeowner. When the homeowner encountered the young man on her property, she had to make a snap decision about protecting herself. You have no idea what this kid would have done coming face to face with a witness to his crime - especially if she got a good look at his face...

XACLY!

(03-16-2016 06:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Exactly...but around here, that's crazy talk...they want more dead black kids...they want to call them all 'thug' and enjoy their death...its typical of the GOP extremists on here.

They all want be the old white guy who punched the trump protesters...they should be locked up like him.

I understand, and agree with, the point about not "celebrating" a death as if your favorite team won a game.

But the racial angle doesn't fly. I've read enough here to know that even if it was Billy Bob Whitedude who got offed while burglarizing a house, the reaction would be the same.

Like Fo said, I'm still fuzzy about where he was shot and all. But still, at the end of the day, it's hard to muster up any sympathy. Armed or not, breaking into a home is violent provocation. And if you dabble in that world, then you limit your own lifespan.