(11-17-2015 01:25 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:15 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.

Stop telling people they aren't Christian. You have no frame of reference. You are speaking out of pure ignorance. You know not of which you speak. You just sound like the typical liberal talking head.....no substance, just baseless accusations.

Care to respond to the actual part of the post with substance? And I'll say what I please thanks. One protesting to be a Christian should be horrified at the shutting of door to those in need. Jesus would be mortified with this thread.

Do you practice Christianity?

If you mock Christianity on the regular and want it out of everything, you dont get to use it as a weapon and tell me to be "Good Christian" and accept unvetted Syrian refugees. You clearly have no idea what Christianity is or what the Bible says.

Nor does he have any semblance of reality regarding the Middle East as I'm certain he's never been there, but ya know. Most opinions are based on feels alone.

I don't mock Christianity. I might make fun of young earth creationists and bible literalists now and then though.

NO WHERE DID I SAY

Quote:Accept unvetted Syrian refugees

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Sorry shifty, forgot you're the ME studies grad.

(11-17-2015 01:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:24 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:21 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:15 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Care to respond to the actual part of the post with substance? And I'll say what I please thanks. One protesting to be a Christian should be horrified at the shutting of door to those in need. Jesus would be mortified with this thread.

And you're doing it again.

"Jesus would...." You're basing this off of your own personal understanding of who you WANT Jesus to be. Not who he actually is. I don't remember reading much about his teachings regarding immigration of Syrian Muslims into the United States. But I'll take a look back.

As Christians we are certainly called to provide for the poor and persecuted and I assume that is what you're referring to. And by far more than anyone else in the world, we do just that. But that does NOT entail supporting unfettered immigration of tens of thousands of undocumented Syrian immigrants into the United States. Especially considering recent world events. That isn't compassionate....that's just stupid. The United States can and should help these people by urging surrounding neighbors to take these people in and even (the US taxpayers) providing monetary relief in the form of shelter, food, and the like. We can help and we should help. But there are ways other than blindly accepting an influx of unknown refugees from a region known to have very hostile views of the US and her policies.

lol @ your compassion with an asterisk*


"We're willing to help the poor and persecuted!*"

*Except those that may inconvenience us or come with a semblance of risk to our ivory towers.

Nice retort. So if someone isn't in 100% agreement with your views, then they're 100% wrong.

Sigh.

Because that's what I said. RIGHT. I was just providing the TLDR for your rant.

Well, I offered a different solution to the problem that you either can't comprehend or simply dismissed because it differs from your "let's just take them all" initiative. Quite narrow-minded.

(11-17-2015 01:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:25 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:15 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Stop telling people they aren't Christian. You have no frame of reference. You are speaking out of pure ignorance. You know not of which you speak. You just sound like the typical liberal talking head.....no substance, just baseless accusations.

Care to respond to the actual part of the post with substance? And I'll say what I please thanks. One protesting to be a Christian should be horrified at the shutting of door to those in need. Jesus would be mortified with this thread.

Do you practice Christianity?

If you mock Christianity on the regular and want it out of everything, you dont get to use it as a weapon and tell me to be "Good Christian" and accept unvetted Syrian refugees. You clearly have no idea what Christianity is or what the Bible says.

Nor does he have any semblance of reality regarding the Middle East as I'm certain he's never been there, but ya know. Most opinions are based on feels alone.

I don't mock Christianity. I might make fun of young earth creationists and bible literalists now and then though.

NO WHERE DID I SAY

Quote:Accept unvetted Syrian refugees

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Sorry shifty, forgot you're the ME studies grad.

How do you vet those with little or no documentation?

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of.

You already demonstrated otherwise long ago.

(11-17-2015 01:26 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.



Kudos to those of you willing to AT LEAST take Christian Syrians... at least you're only partial monsters. Apparently your compassion only comes with labels though. smh. Obama said it best with

Quote:That's not American. That's not who we are. We don't have religious tests to our compassion.

You are acting like these people HAVE to travel to the other side of the planet and live here.

That is beyond stupid.

And the idea that America should be AGAINST filtering who is allowed in our country is also brilliantly stupid.

Did I say anything about not screening or being careful in evaluating refugees? NO SURE DIDN'T. My issue is in states flat out rejecting ALL refugees.

And how exactly do you propose that we screen these refugees?

Quote: surrounding neighbors to take these people in and even (the US taxpayers) providing monetary relief in the form of shelter, food, and the like. We can help and we should help. But there are ways other than blindly accepting an influx of unknown refugees from a region known to have very hostile views of the US and her policies.

I think encouraging neighboring countries to take them in (and at higher rates) is an excellent idea. Because duh. But also in conjunction with us taking some.

Quote: And how exactly do you propose that we screen these refugees?

I'll leave that to the authorities? Not my job? It needs to be done.

(11-17-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of.

You already demonstrated otherwise long ago.

He's a self-righteous little guy isn't he? Most of them are.

(11-17-2015 01:18 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.

If I gave you 100 grapes and told you 2-3 were poisonous, would you eat any of them?

A horrible example, equating lives with a snack. A better one would be offering me 90,000 puppies to save and 2-3 of them might attack me. Yes, I'd save the puppies.

Al Qaeda. All it took was 19 terrorists to kill 3000 people. 9/11/01.
ISIS. 7 in Paris. 129 dead, 430 injured. 11/13/15.
Boko Haram. 10 year old girl kills 19 people in a suicide bombing. 01/11/15
ISIS. 43 dead. 240 wounded. One suicide bomber. 11/12/15
Just to name a few reasons why it is a good example.

Quote: How do you vet those with little or no documentation?

How do we vet ANY of the 90,000 refugees we take in each year? I imagine there's some semblance of a system. Clearly the precautions in place with the current system need to be ramped up. If it delays the process a tad, well, sucks to be a Syrian.

(11-17-2015 01:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Do you practice Christianity?

No. He is like one of those people without kids who's an expert and being a parent.

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of.

You already demonstrated otherwise long ago.

He's a self-righteous little guy isn't he? Most of them are.

Aren't we all flawed? I didn't realize we had perfect posters on here.

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote: And how exactly do you propose that we screen these refugees?

I'll leave that to the authorities? Not my job? It needs to be done.

Its totally impossible to properly screen these people.

You are well aware of that.

Furthermore there is no need of letting them in our country right now. The world is a REALLY big place.

Typical liberal attitude you have. Misplaced compassion trumps common sense and safety.

There are a million options and ways to help these people beyond flying them across the globe into America.

(11-17-2015 01:33 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of.

You already demonstrated otherwise long ago.

He's a self-righteous little guy isn't he? Most of them are.

Aren't we all flawed? I didn't realize we had perfect posters on here.

"I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of" - You

"Being a flawed individual, I often fall short of the teachings of Jesus Christ though I continuously try to be like Him. But when I fall short, which is often, I repent for what I have done. I sin every day." - Me

(11-17-2015 01:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote: And how exactly do you propose that we screen these refugees?

I'll leave that to the authorities? Not my job? It needs to be done.

Its totally impossible to properly screen these people.

You are well aware of that.

Furthermore there is no need of letting them in our country right now. The world is a REALLY big place.

Typical liberal attitude you have. Misplaced compassion trumps common sense and safety.

There are a million options and ways to help these people beyond flying them across the globe into America.

That is complete and utter horse ****. If that were the case would you really advocate taking 0% of refugees? EVER?


When Paris was attacked people were letting others into their homes immediately. One of those people could have EASILY been a shooter in disguise. I would have done the same thing. I'm sure you would have all done the same.

(11-17-2015 01:33 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Aren't we all flawed? I didn't realize we had perfect posters on here.

Another straw man.

That is not what was said.

(11-17-2015 01:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  That is complete and utter horse ****. If that were the case would you really advocate taking 0% of refugees? EVER?

Its complete and utter horse **** that we don't really have to bring them here to help them?

I think you need to get some fresh air.

(11-17-2015 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Do you practice Christianity?

No. He is like one of those people without kids who's an expert and being a parent.

thats a great analogy

(11-17-2015 01:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:33 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of.

You already demonstrated otherwise long ago.

He's a self-righteous little guy isn't he? Most of them are.

Aren't we all flawed? I didn't realize we had perfect posters on here.

"I follow a moral code Jesus would be proud of" - You

"Being a flawed individual, I often fall short of the teachings of Jesus Christ though I continuously try to be like Him. But when I fall short, which is often, I repent for what I have done. I sin every day." - Me

Cool. I would assign what you said for myself as well. The only difference is I don't repent in prayer.

(11-17-2015 01:31 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote: And how exactly do you propose that we screen these refugees?

I'll leave that to the authorities? Not my job? It needs to be done.

So you want to trust a government that cant even run a website?