(11-17-2015 11:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 11:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  so some might say we now understand that no matter the 'religion', radicals will always exist.....

but a few might say, if it wasn't for religion, then the human race might be much further advanced in thinking today....

it's a crazy concept....with one exception....man has always killed whilst working together using common sense and science to promote humans to where we exist today....

religion has only become a hurdle that will one day not exist....and today ain't that day

a little stinky fodder as the skies darken in the 'burg.....

A lack of religion won't eliminate the 'crazy' in humanity

it can't now....the seed was planted when we started to communicate...

genetic engineering will fix that one day if the human race survives the planet and itself....

like I said, today ain't that day....

seeds man.....

(11-17-2015 10:57 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Good! Vote with your bigoted brothers! We don't want your xenophobic vote!

Rant time!

We screen every refugee that comes into this country so much that it takes TWO ******* YEARS.

Oh so every one of these Syrian refugees has been vetted for two years? Tell me where they got the records from to vet these individuals? Tell me why Congress just found out about Syrian refugees in Louisiana and why Homeland Security didn't even know they were there? Show me the paperwork these refugees filed "TWO ******* YEARS ago and the documents they used to prove their identity. I'll save you some time.... You can't do any of that.

(11-17-2015 10:57 AM)Max Power Wrote:  ...You realize ISIS had killed far more Muslims than they have Christians right? ISIS is pissed that these people got away from them! That's why they conducted the attacks in Paris!

But I thought yesterday you said ISIS was just retaliating against France because they bombed ISIS first. Which is it? CAn't even keep your own fantasies straight now?

(11-17-2015 10:57 AM)Max Power Wrote:  ...**** all of you bigots. You're terrible people. You're not only vile and revolting, but you're playing directly into ISIS's hands. And **** your faux Christianity. I'm more Christian than you are. Remember the Golden Rule? Treat others as you would want to be treated? What if YOU were fleeing a war zone with people dying by the hundreds of thousands? Where's your sense of compassion? If you don't have any empathy for these poor souls, you're no better than they are and in fact I would trade you for these refugees in a heartbeat. We've got enough sociopaths as it is-- they're called Republican politicians.

Fvck you Max. You don't get to go slinging insults at those with differing opinions than you. You don't have any moral high ground on which to question others Christian beliefs or theirs actions. Judgement is reserved form Him. You think you are the solution, but you are truly the problem. The liberal and progressive policies and mindsets have lead to ruin and destruction from within in nearly every instance of their implementation. It isn't empathy that those with different opinions than yours lack. We have empathy for those truly suffering. It's you that lack the common sense to understand the situation and the backbone and stomach to enact policies and take appropriate action to both help those suffering and protect innocent lives at the same time.

You have made a fool of yourself over and over in this thread. Instead of insanely demanding that the vast majority of us are intolerant bigots and lack empathy, I suggest you look inward at your intolerance, bigotry, and apparent hatred for your fellow citizens among which you live and have how have an equal right to their opinions and views without being slandered and berated.

(11-17-2015 10:57 AM)Max Power Wrote:  We screen every refugee that comes into this country so much that it takes TWO ******* YEARS.

Im of the opinion the US should do something to help these people. Most are just poor folks running from ISIS. Im in favor of helping set up Refugee camps and providing food, water and security. When it comes to allowing them in the country now? No. I don't think my stance is unreasonable due to the distinct possibility of some of them being terrorists.

(11-17-2015 11:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:31 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:39 AM)Otacon Wrote:  Why bring in people who hate you and want to kill you and your family?

..... the absurdity of this statement.


You're all officially xenophobic nutjobs.

Yes, everyone is crazy except you. Makes sense.

Xenophobia isn't crazy. It's just evil.

And you both are dumb to associate his statement towards all refugees, all it takes is one to kill hundreds. Call it Xenophobia, but it is what it is, which is possibility and common sense, specially considering refugees were involved with what happened in Paris. But hey, keep drinking your far left kool-aid.

He's not dumb, he is just taking the quickest route to avoid a meaningful conversation on the topic...

By pulling out some "phobia" label he gets to run away claiming victory with no logical examination of the issue.

(11-17-2015 12:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im of the opinion the US should do something to help these people. Most are just poor folks running from ISIS. Im in favor of helping set up Refugee camps and providing food, water and security. When it comes to allowing them in the country now? No. I don't think my stance is unreasonable due to the distinct possibility of some of them being terrorists.

You are not listening what max is teaching you.

Simply giving these people protection, a roof over their heads and food to eat is nothing but a sign of bigotry and hatred.

We have to let them move to the other side of the planet down the street from us or we are scumbags.

We all know there is simply no more room for them on the other side of the planet. They HAVE to come here or else we are bigoted racist scumbags.

At least the Republicans aren't threatening to put Middle-Easterners in Internment Camps like the Democrats love(d) to do.

(11-17-2015 12:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 11:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:31 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  ..... the absurdity of this statement.


You're all officially xenophobic nutjobs.

Yes, everyone is crazy except you. Makes sense.

Xenophobia isn't crazy. It's just evil.

And you both are dumb to associate his statement towards all refugees, all it takes is one to kill hundreds. Call it Xenophobia, but it is what it is, which is possibility and common sense, specially considering refugees were involved with what happened in Paris. But hey, keep drinking your far left kool-aid.

He's not dumb, he is just taking the quickest route to avoid a meaningful conversation on the topic...

By pulling out some "phobia" label he gets to run away claiming victory with no logical examination of the issue.

dat's what dem do with the poo.....they keep trying to make it smell fresh and clean...

I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

(11-17-2015 12:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

Couldn't. I'm getting in muh idealism.

(11-17-2015 01:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

Couldn't. I'm getting in muh idealism.

(11-17-2015 11:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:57 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:46 PM)Cr8n Wrote:  I would like to motion to have the term "Liberal" replaced with Progressive. I do not align with any of these new progressive ideals and I will vote Republican if I have to help get someone into office that will halt the importing of people and protect our nation. My heart aches for the innocent but it's a cluster **** over there and I don't want that cluster **** on our land. Reopen the borders with a concise plan and program when things are under control. Radical Islam is a cancer to our Earth that needs to be removed. Immediately.

Where we are right now is discussing ideals way beyond how we spend tax funds on social initiatives. This is a matter of national security. Our primary concern should be the protection of our national security and then help clean up the mess after as best we can.

Good! Vote with your bigoted brothers! We don't want your xenophobic vote!

Rant time!

We screen every refugee that comes into this country so much that it takes TWO ******* YEARS. What more do you want? We've been welcoming people fleeing religious persecution since the Pilgrims. But we always have an ugly xenophobic strain that wants to halt immigration because a certain race or religion isn't "American" enough for them. The Irish, the Jews, the Chinese, the Italians, the Poles, Mexicans, and now Muslims. We built internment camps for Japanese Americans. We turned away Jews aboard the SS St. Louis. We enslaved and legally discriminated against blacks for centuries. We reneged on contracts and committed terrible atrocities against Native Americans. You have to ask yourself if you want to be on the right side of history or not.

Radical Islam is a cancer, yes! And you propose we defeat Radical Islam by refusing the VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE FLEEING IT??? The very people who are fleeing rape and murder? You realize ISIS had killed far more Muslims than they have Christians right? ISIS is pissed that these people got away from them! That's why they conducted the attacks in Paris! And they hoped to provoke a backlash that would alienate these refugees from their host countries so they will turn to ISIS propaganda. "See, they hate you. Join us to fight back!" And the reich wing is of course happily complicit. Just like after 9/11. What did bin Laden want? He wanted us over there, and a big emotional overreaction to their terror, so we could throw away blood and treasure and stir anti American resentment among the world's billion Muslims. And Bush and the Republicans were stupid enough to fall for it, because of course they were.

**** all of you bigots. You're terrible people. You're not only vile and revolting, but you're playing directly into ISIS's hands. And **** your faux Christianity. I'm more Christian than you are. Remember the Golden Rule? Treat others as you would want to be treated? What if YOU were fleeing a war zone with people dying by the hundreds of thousands? Where's your sense of compassion? If you don't have any empathy for these poor souls, you're no better than they are and in fact I would trade you for these refugees in a heartbeat. We've got enough sociopaths as it is-- they're called Republican politicians.

Why aren't the other Middle East nations absorbing these refugees then? If they are simply fleeing the warfare, they can surely go to the next safe country over then, right?

So obvious isn't it?

(11-17-2015 12:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

Which one eats the bacon?

Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.



Kudos to those of you willing to AT LEAST take Christian Syrians... at least you're only partial monsters. Apparently your compassion only comes with labels though. smh. Obama said it best with

Quote:That's not American. That's not who we are. We don't have religious tests to our compassion.

(11-17-2015 01:08 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

Which one eats the bacon?

http://www.wbrz.com/news/catholic-charit...aton-rouge

Quote:BATON ROUGE- State leaders blasted the feds Monday for not alerting them about 14 Syrian refugees who were resettled in Louisiana. It's unclear when they arrived.

The majority of them are in the New Orleans area, but one came to Baton Rouge. WBRZ has learned Catholic Charities helped the refugee who settled in Baton Rouge, but said the immigrant left for another state after a couple of days, and they don't know where the refugee went since they don't track them.

Monday, Governor Bobby Jindal issued an executive order preventing the resettlement of Syrian refugees into Louisiana. The order prohibits state resources from being used for the refugees. However, that order does not apply to nonprofits and has no effect on the organization that helps refugees.

(11-17-2015 01:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.

Stop telling people they aren't Christian. You have no frame of reference. You are speaking out of pure ignorance. You know not of which you speak. You just sound like the typical liberal talking head.....no substance, just baseless accusations.

(11-17-2015 01:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Between 70,000-90,000 refugees come to the US every year. You guys are taking 2-3 examples of bad apples and grouping them in with the other 89,998 people. It's just mindbogglingly obtuse.


Are we to abandon tens of thousands of people with such disregard? UnAmerican. Unchristian. Unconscionable.

If I gave you 100 grapes and told you 2-3 were poisonous, would you eat any of them?

The fact is nobody in the West is prepared for this refugee crisis. There are no safe procedures to properly vett the good versus bad guys.

Knowing this, there are CERTAINLY possible alternatives to flooding our borders...Until we figure out how to properly vett...

There is NO way that reasonable minded people can look at this refugee crisis and automatically assume the ONLY solution is to hurry up and take them NOW.

(11-17-2015 01:08 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:54 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm all for letting Syrian Christians into the country. They tend not to ascribe to stoning, suicide vests, and jihad. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of them would become quite productive members of society.

sorry, have to ask.....how would one determine that?

Which one eats the bacon?

....would have to administer mandatory taste testing for that

I'm all for that reality show.....