(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

(10-15-2015 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  We have some fans who think that you are a bad college football fan if you are not sunshine pumping and making excuses 24x7.

This is entirely understandable since that is taught early and often in our state.

It sort of feels like to me that we've got this strange divide. There's a section of our fan base who grew up on the Gospel according to Razorbacks, where sunshine punping, and rooting for all instate teams is the most acceptable fandom there is. Another side of us grew up to hate the Razorbacks and all they stand for.

Inevitably, we run into situations where one side of our fan base is always going to be perpetually confused by what the other side is doing.

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

Both. Defense saw Clemments was struggling under pressure and started constantly blitzing. USA never adjusted, and made terrible decisions, especially after the fumble recovery.

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

USA didn't have much offense at all in the second half. It was all defense. Our defense lost one of our key players and fell apart after that.

What's amazing is that USA, without any running game and without its only productive back, was even in the game in the 4th to begin with.

CJJ tends to gamble if he feels that things are getting out of hand. When it works out..its great...but when it fails, it fails spectacularly. See ending of Troy game in 2012. Ending of bowl game last year. And many other situations.

It would be great if we had enough depth to simply just stop the desperate gambling policy.

(10-15-2015 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

USA didn't have much offense at all in the second half. It was all defense. Our defense lost one of our key players and fell apart after that.

What's amazing is that USA, without any running game and without its only productive back, was even in the game in the 4th to begin with.

We were so busy trying to beat ourselves the first 3 quarters that we forgot the idea was supposed to beat the other team.

(10-15-2015 01:27 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

(10-15-2015 01:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

USA didn't have much offense at all in the second half. It was all defense. Our defense lost one of our key players and fell apart after that.

What's amazing is that USA, without any running game and without its only productive back, was even in the game in the 4th to begin with.

We were so busy trying to beat ourselves the first 3 quarters that we forgot the idea was supposed to beat the other team.

Being an objective observer of the game, I didn't see ASU doing much to beat themselves. I saw what looked like two evenly matched teams who continued to match each other's scoring, along with some poor tackling.

Beating yourself is what USA apparently did at the end of the game.

(10-15-2015 02:01 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:27 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

(10-15-2015 01:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

USA didn't have much offense at all in the second half. It was all defense. Our defense lost one of our key players and fell apart after that.

What's amazing is that USA, without any running game and without its only productive back, was even in the game in the 4th to begin with.

We were so busy trying to beat ourselves the first 3 quarters that we forgot the idea was supposed to beat the other team.

Being an objective observer of the game, I didn't see ASU doing much to beat themselves. I saw what looked like two evenly matched teams who continued to match each other's scoring, along with some poor tackling.

Beating yourself is what USA apparently did at the end of the game.

Other than turning down a FG that could have made it 17-7 and giving USA a short field on a fake punt to give USA 52 yards to go not sure how we were beating our self.

We also lost our RG in the 3rd quarter and will be out for the next 2 to 3 games. I'm not sure how they moved the OL around after that. Our kicker can get into the endzone, but I think it would outkick our coverage. The turnovers was just a major key. I can see this loss costing us a chance at a bowl if we don't beat Texas State/ULL(both beatable). I like our chances vs Idaho and Georgia State, see losses at Georgia Southern and App State

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

It would have to be the top of the list.

Our Memphis game, several years back, would be on there. They had us down 31-0 at halftime in Jonesboro.
We won 35-31. (2007)

(10-15-2015 02:01 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:27 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:15 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Okay, so I know this is a little late. But I left to get something to eat Tuesday night and the score was 31-20, I came back 30 minutes later and it was 49-31.

WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!

(10-15-2015 01:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 01:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Lets see:

Arkansas State 6 play 60ish yard TD Drive. USA loses defender to targeting, ASU loses receiver to 2nd UC penalty after he spikes ball after TD. 2 Point is good 31-28

USA: 1 play, Pass Intercepted

Arkansas State 5 play, 35 yard TD Drive 35-31

USA: 3 plays, QB sacked on final play, ball fumbled, rolls into end zone where AState recovers 42-31

USA: 4 plays, Last play is Interception that AState returns 42 yards for TD. 49-31

Jags did not get a first down the rest of the way.

I'm puzzled. Did Arkansas State step up their game or did USA get a contact buzz on the sideline at some point. That is a complete and utter failure. If ESPN makes a list of top 10 metldowns, that has to be on it.

USA didn't have much offense at all in the second half. It was all defense. Our defense lost one of our key players and fell apart after that.

What's amazing is that USA, without any running game and without its only productive back, was even in the game in the 4th to begin with.

We were so busy trying to beat ourselves the first 3 quarters that we forgot the idea was supposed to beat the other team.

Being an objective observer of the game, I didn't see ASU doing much to beat themselves. I saw what looked like two evenly matched teams who continued to match each other's scoring, along with some poor tackling.

Beating yourself is what USA apparently did at the end of the game.

Nothing against USA they are a decent SBC team, but there is absolutely no way an objective observer could say that was two evenly matched teams, and that is one of the reasons A-State fans are frustrated with this coaching staff.

At least in this game they did not come up short like they did against another team with noticeably less talent last year in AppSt, and that is a plus.

While their qb play was again sub-par in this game, it was an improvement over what they had been getting from their backup, who is ranked dead last by ESPN in their qb ratings.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3

Arkansas state finaly woke up. Offense finaly started moving ball again. The Defense finaly didn't just get to Clements, but got inside his head. outside of that Ark st shot themselves in the foot offensively for almost 3 quarters of the game. No disrespect to S. Alabama but your defense was very little factor in our offensive troubles. We rely n a Rb that wants to play Qb but isn't tall enough to throw over a DL nor is his read and vision good enough to be a d1 Rb

The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

(10-16-2015 06:36 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

You must have missed the #1 play on SportsCenter... The A-State d-line dominated our o-line, that is the only position I thought you guys had the big mismatch. Danny Woodson and Gerald Everette were men among boys. Our WRs certainly had the mismatch at almost every position. I do credit your defense for being able to knock a few passes down and put some good hits on them.

(10-16-2015 07:55 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 06:36 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

You must have missed the #1 play on SportCenter... The A-State d-line dominated our o-line, that is the only position I thought you guys had the big mismatch. Danny Woodson and Gerald Everette were men among boys. Our WRs certainly had the mismatch at almost every position. I do credit your defense for being able to knock a few passes down and put some good hits on them.

You are being confused by performance, I'm talking about talent.

While A-State is without a doubt the most talented team in the SBC , there is no doubt their team is not the best in the SBC.

They actually have more of their 'star' caliber talent on offense than defense, but because of their play thus far, especially the play of their qb's, it seems otherwise.

That the offense has the best talent,and is not performing is why their fans, and the media have really been on their HC's case the last couple of weeks.

To his credit Anderson acknowledge's that this is in fact the case, and said if they ever do get it together they will be fun to watch.

The good thing for A-State is even if they continue with sub-par play at qb, continue getting lots of penalties, and turnovers , and even if their HC continues to make questionable decisions in their special team play, they still have enough of a talent advantage over most of their remaining foes to become bowl eligible.

(10-16-2015 08:42 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 07:55 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 06:36 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

You must have missed the #1 play on SportCenter... The A-State d-line dominated our o-line, that is the only position I thought you guys had the big mismatch. Danny Woodson and Gerald Everette were men among boys. Our WRs certainly had the mismatch at almost every position. I do credit your defense for being able to knock a few passes down and put some good hits on them.

You are being confused by performance, I'm talking about talent.

While A-State is without a doubt the most talented team in the SBC , there is no doubt their team is not the best in the SBC.

They actually have more of their 'star' caliber talent on offense than defense, but because of their play thus far, especially the play of their qb's, it seems otherwise.

That the offense has the best talent,and is not performing is why their fans, and the media have really been on their HC's case the last couple of weeks.

To his credit Anderson acknowledge's that this is in fact the case, and said if they ever do get it together they will be fun to watch.

Having talent is more than being bigger, more physical and more athletic than anyone else. Talent is the ability to make plays, which required the mental capacity to make plays and to read the offense/defense.

I don't think you are giving credit where it is due. One of the staples of our defense is the ability to confuse the opposing offense. We have a lot of movement, shifts and blitz packages designed that way. Our players studied film, that's how they knew Fredi likes to throw the ball low and just over the line, hence the blocked passes. In my oppinion, that requires talent.

I do think that from top to bottom, A-State has more talent than we do. We have been full FBS for going on 3 years, we don't even have 4 recruiting classes made up of people that had multiple Division 1 offers. I also believe our starters, with the exception of both lines, were as talented or more so at some positions (our wide recievers). Gerald Everett, Marvin Shinn, Danny Woodson and Josh Magee have been mismatches for everyone we have faced. There is a reason we are able to almost pull out this win, even with a QB only completing around 52% of his passes and no running game.

(10-16-2015 09:17 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 08:42 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 07:55 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 06:36 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

You must have missed the #1 play on SportCenter... The A-State d-line dominated our o-line, that is the only position I thought you guys had the big mismatch. Danny Woodson and Gerald Everette were men among boys. Our WRs certainly had the mismatch at almost every position. I do credit your defense for being able to knock a few passes down and put some good hits on them.

You are being confused by performance, I'm talking about talent.

While A-State is without a doubt the most talented team in the SBC , there is no doubt their team is not the best in the SBC.

They actually have more of their 'star' caliber talent on offense than defense, but because of their play thus far, especially the play of their qb's, it seems otherwise.

That the offense has the best talent,and is not performing is why their fans, and the media have really been on their HC's case the last couple of weeks.

To his credit Anderson acknowledge's that this is in fact the case, and said if they ever do get it together they will be fun to watch.

Having talent is more than being bigger, more physical and more athletic than anyone else. Talent is the ability to make plays, which required the mental capacity to make plays and to read the offense/defense.

I don't think you are giving credit where it is due. One of the staples of our defense is the ability to confuse the opposing offense. We have a lot of movement, shifts and blitz packages designed that way. Our players studied film, that's how they knew Fredi likes to throw the ball low and just over the line, hence the blocked passes. In my oppinion, that requires talent.

I do think that from top to bottom, A-State has more talent than we do. We have been full FBS for going on 3 years, we don't even have 4 recruiting classes made up of people that had multiple Division 1 offers. I also believe our starters, with the exception of both lines, were as talented or more so at some positions (our wide recievers). Gerald Everett, Marvin Shinn, Danny Woodson and Josh Magee have been mismatches for everyone we have faced. There is a reason we are able to almost pull out this win, even with a QB only completing around 52% of his passes and no running game.

I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower ...

He's SanduskyFan44 on the NFL boards.

(10-16-2015 09:26 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower ...

He's SanduskyFan44 on the NFL boards.