(04-30-2015 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

Air Force, Army and Navy have theirs with the Armed Forces Network which they broadcast their games around the world.

You don't have a clue. Most of the academy games are not broadcast by the Armed Forces Network. I've spent a considerable amount of time TDY overseas and know this for a fact. And AFN doesn't pay a dime for the games they do broadcast.

(04-30-2015 09:48 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

TCU was added to take A&M's place. Missouri had not yet left. After they left, WV and Louisville fought it over for the last spot. Yes OU wanted Louisville, but WV obviously had the votes. They should have taken both with a school to be named later.

Texas Tech DID NOT want TCU. They were the best Texas candidate but Texas Tech did not want the frogs.

TCU should thank Deloss for that invite.

(04-30-2015 10:37 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

Air Force, Army and Navy have theirs with the Armed Forces Network which they broadcast their games around the world.

You don't have a clue. Most of the academy games are not broadcast by the Armed Forces Network. I've spent a considerable amount of time TDY overseas and know this for a fact. And AFN doesn't pay a dime for the games they do broadcast.

Report him or put him on ignore. The kid has no clue.

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

I can say DEFINITIVELY (and I know people in the WVU administration) that WVU has ABSOLUTELY NO desire to expand. You keep saying that WVU has some "hint" of expansion and you are wrong.

WVU gets to play nationally known/ranked teams every year and have a special niche in recruiting.... We're the only team east of the Mississippi that plays in the Big 12. It might bother the other schools having to come out here, but I don't think it really matter to us.

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Exactly where do those schools have to go?? The only p5 with a reason and opening to grow is B10. and that will end soon with new TV deal.

(04-30-2015 11:11 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:48 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

TCU was added to take A&M's place. Missouri had not yet left. After they left, WV and Louisville fought it over for the last spot. Yes OU wanted Louisville, but WV obviously had the votes. They should have taken both with a school to be named later.

Texas Tech DID NOT want TCU. They were the best Texas candidate but Texas Tech did not want the frogs.

TCU should thank Deloss for that invite.

Texas was the last one on board with TCU. The non-Texas schools wanted them. I don't think anyone wanted Louisville over WVU. OU wanted both.

(05-01-2015 06:57 AM)Otacon Wrote:  WVU gets to play nationally known/ranked teams every year and have a special niche in recruiting.... We're the only team east of the Mississippi that plays in the Big 12. It might bother the other schools having to come out here, but I don't think it really matter to us.

That said, in a hypothetical scenario where the XII dissolves, West Virginia would prefer to be in the ACC, correct?

You'd have all the old Big East rivals (except UConn, unless they're also added) again.

I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

(05-01-2015 09:51 AM)Otacon Wrote:  I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

But as I said, in a hypothetical where WV gets to pick between the B1G, SEC and ACC ... it chooses the ACC, correct?

Depends on if WVU wants more wins/ chances for the National Championship, or more money... Me personally, you go with the tougher competition and try to rise to their level.
I'd love either the SEC or Big 10.

(05-01-2015 06:47 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

I can say DEFINITIVELY (and I know people in the WVU administration) that WVU has ABSOLUTELY NO desire to expand. You keep saying that WVU has some "hint" of expansion and you are wrong.

Not "DEFINITIVELY" true BearcatJerry….. Former WV AD Luck encouraged the BIG 12 to expand and even used the Big East as an example why the Big 12 should expand:

"My recommendation would be to look long and hard at moving up, whether it's to 11 or 12, particularly when you look at how big the SEC is, how big the ACC is going to be, the number that the Big Ten and the Pac-12 are at," Luck told ESPN.com's David Ubben. "I think it would be wise to take a long hard look at that because there is some strength in numbers."

"My message to my fellow ADs -- and I'm the new kid on the block, so I haven't really said too much -- but I said to the group that I think the Big East was complacent by remaining at eight and that doesn't really give you much room for error if somebody does want to pick up and leave, as happened with Pitt and Syracuse ."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...uld-expand


In addition to the above, Oklahoma wanted Louisville along with WV:

“We were very supportive and even somewhat proactive at trying to build a case or a perspective for them as a member of the Big 12.”

“Castiglione looks back on the decision and wonders whether adding Louisville, either instead of or in addition to West Virginia, was a move the Big 12 should have made.”

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...astiglione


Furthermore, Kansas St. coach Bill Snyder has expressed that he doesn’t like the 10-team format:

“Many players, coaches and school officials have expressed their pleasure with the new 10-team format of the Big 12, something that TCU and West Virginia helped the conference maintain this year. Kansas State head coach Bill Snyder was not one of them.

He hasn’t been shy about his preference for an old-fashioned 12-team Big 12 that decides its champion with a conference title game in December.”

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/...ting.html/

(04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII

http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative

He also had this to say:

Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...

Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.

Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.

Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?

Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.

Stick to FCS. You're failing hard here.

(04-30-2015 07:27 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:23 PM)billings Wrote:  I doubt the other p5's give a crap waht the big 12 does in terms of numbers. They all expanded to maximize their revenue which is what the Big 12 is doing by not expanding. I doubt there is any pressure to expand from the rest. Really don't understand why people keep repeating the idea that the rest will force the big 12 to expand.

The posters that represents the have-not programs want the other four P5 conferences to force the Big 12 to expand to give their team a chance to become a have.

I want the opposite. I'd prefer stability at this point.

Yet again Bill Snyder proves to be the voice of logic in the conference. Snyder for commish...

(04-30-2015 09:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

Maybe you should be banned? There are a lot of news articles out there that backed my claims up. It is just a small portions of fans like you who are blind and refuse to read those articles.

(05-01-2015 09:51 AM)Otacon Wrote:  I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

West Virginia really wanted to be in the ACC or the SEC. The Big 12 was the last resort to go to. Remember Memphis and Cincinnati were in the Metro Conference with a lot of the ACC schools. Those schools can help the Big 12 out. The issue with the Big 12 is that half of the schools are in a lack of tv markets that can gain viewers. Adding some of the eastern schools to the Big 12 can help make up the lack of markets that schools like Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Baylor do not give.

(04-30-2015 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Air Force, Army and Navy have theirs with the Armed Forces Network which they broadcast their games around the world.

100% false. On the AFN, you're more than likely to catch a P5 game than an Army, Navy, or Air Force game.

wikipedia isn't the best source, but here's some excellent background information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Forces_Network

(05-01-2015 09:54 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 09:51 AM)Otacon Wrote:  I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

But as I said, in a hypothetical where WV gets to pick between the B1G, SEC and ACC ... it chooses the ACC, correct?

This is an interesting (albeit very hypothetical) question. This is how I think the current WVU administration would rank options assuming the status quo were to shift:


1. B1G. Adding Rutgers and Maryland to Ohio State and Penn State makes this a desirable option, particularly given who the current WVU president is.



2. Keep Big 12 in tact, and expand with a small group of southern ACC schools.



3. ACC or SEC. This would probably be a toss-up among current WVU administrators. That said, I think joining the ACC is least likely option out of all of them. I do not, however, think there are going to be any changes in membership for a long time among the Top 5 conferences.

(04-30-2015 09:48 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

TCU was added to take A&M's place. Missouri had not yet left. After they left, WV and Louisville fought it over for the last spot. Yes OU wanted Louisville, but WV obviously had the votes. They should have taken both with a school to be named later.

With the defection of A&M and Missouri, the B12 had 8 teams left. They could have elected to add 4 teams then, but there were only 3 candidates available to them - Louisville, TCU and west Virginia - that they were willing to accept. There was no 4th candidate then, and there isn't one now. Rather than go to 11, they only added 2.

Now that the one candidate they didn't pick is also off the table, they would have 2 spots open (if they wanted to go to 12), and zero candidates. If they are willing to take any two schools with a pulse to get to 12, I suppose they could offer some body bag schools a small fraction of their full conference share. But if they want to go after schools that are P5-G5 tweeners, they would likely have to pay more than those schools would bring into the conference. Why do that?