Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
(04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
(04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
In what way would that give the B12 an unfair $$$ advantage? Would they be making more money than the Big Ten or the SEC, either in aggregate or per team?
(04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
(04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Bowsby backtracked pretty quickly after the article came out saying he had no idea if the votes were there to pass the reform.
(04-30-2015 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Bowsby backtracked pretty quickly after the article came out saying he had no idea if the votes were there to pass the reform.
Not only that, but Larry Scott came out and said "I have no idea what Bowlsby is talking about. No one has shown me any proposed title game deregulation legislation."
The Big 12 won't expand. it will dissolve first. The lack of a Conference network means it will shortly produce a smaller revenue stream then the other major conferences as long as the ACC gets a Conference Network going. This would make the members in the Big 12 not named Texas begin to look elsewhere. It's only mater of time before the cookie crumbles. That's unless they implode sooner for more viable options.
Big 12 and ACC you're on the clock. TICK, TOCK.
(04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
It should be common knowledge by now that if the XII doesn't have expand, they won't.
See the other thread about the CCG deregulation.
(04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
I believe that also. Every agrees about the scrapping of divisions, but everyone assumes that includes the minimum # of teams which isn't the case.
I guess the 13th game waiver would be allow if a round-robin isn't played? So the Big 12 would need to play 8 conf games and not 9.
(04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
But the entire point of deregulation was to allow conferences to create their own rules.
(04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
(04-30-2015 10:57 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that also. Every agrees about the scrapping of divisions, but everyone assumes that includes the minimum # of teams which isn't the case.
I guess the 13th game waiver would be allow if a round-robin isn't played? So the Big 12 would need to play 8 conf games and not 9.
The idea is that the conferences should get to pick any two teams to play in the CCG.
However, that's too open for my blood. That would mean the XII could arbitrarily decide that the best team gets to play the worst team every year, all but guaranteeing a blow out win for the best team.
That's exaggerated but you get my point. There needs to be language requiring the best two teams in each conference to play, however that is determined.
(04-30-2015 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
Until the either the P12, SEC or B1G say the will support it, I don't think anything is known for sure. If the ACC and B12 schools all vote for it, it is still only 25 of 65 votes. In addition, with the B12 throwing the ACC under the bus with the tri-pod comment, I can see Swofford trying to split the vote to Deregulation with 12 teams not 10 especially of the other P5s are ok with that.
(04-30-2015 09:58 AM)CougarRed Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Bowsby backtracked pretty quickly after the article came out saying he had no idea if the votes were there to pass the reform.
Not only that, but Larry Scott came out and said "I have no idea what Bowlsby is talking about. No one has shown me any proposed title game deregulation legislation."
How about this confirmation that it is already a done deal:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football
Quote:ACC administrators and coaches have had various discussions about the division format. But SEC athletic directors have not given much thought to the topic and have hardly talked about championship game deregulation.
During their spring meetings next month, they will discuss the deregulation proposal for the first time.
Done deal? I don't think so.
(04-30-2015 11:31 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't think the other P5s will allow it to pass. It gives the Big XII teams an unfair $$$ advantage.
Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
Until the either the P12, SEC or B1G say the will support it, I don't think anything is known for sure. If the ACC and B12 schools all vote for it, it is still only 25 of 65 votes. In addition, with the B12 throwing the ACC under the bus with the tri-pod comment, I can see Swofford trying to split the vote to Deregulation with 12 teams not 10 especially of the other P5s are ok with that.
Actually, this is not an area of autonomy and would need support of the entire division, not just the P5. So it would only be 25 of like 250 votes.
(04-30-2015 08:58 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Chuck Neinas was interviewed by a Salt Lake City radio station and basically refuted much of the narrative against why BYU wasn't chosen by the XII
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...-narrative
He also had this to say:
Quote: Tim Montemayor @TheMontyShow
Neinas also said if the Big XII gets an exemption to play a Championship Game at 10 they will never expand past 10 because of finances...
Neinas: "The membership is aware they have a good financial model, going to 12 or 14 means a smaller piece of the pie for everyone"
Big XII also likes being at 10 for round robin conference play, single round robin in football, double round robin in basketball...
Nobody is going to make the XII expand, except by paying for them to expand. If they get this CCG deregulation to pass, you can bet they won't.
Agree 100%. But the question is what happens if CCG deregulation goes nowhere, or passes with a 12-team minimum conference membership. Does the Big 12 remain at 10 to maximize per-school revenue, or add two new members and take the revenue hit so as to get on equal footing with the rest of the P5 with respect to playing a CCG? Neinas is avoiding that question by predicating his prediction of Big 12 stability on CCG deregulation.
(04-30-2015 11:35 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:31 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 09:39 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Did you miss the articles stating it was pretty much a done deal?
Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
Until the either the P12, SEC or B1G say the will support it, I don't think anything is known for sure. If the ACC and B12 schools all vote for it, it is still only 25 of 65 votes. In addition, with the B12 throwing the ACC under the bus with the tri-pod comment, I can see Swofford trying to split the vote to Deregulation with 12 teams not 10 especially of the other P5s are ok with that.
Actually, this is not an area of autonomy and would need support of the entire division, not just the P5. So it would only be 25 of like 250 votes.
Really? All of D-I gets to vote on whether FBS can have deregulated football conference title games?
(04-30-2015 12:16 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:35 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:31 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 10:13 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]Deregulation is a done deal, but not the piece that allows a 10 team conference to have a championship game.
Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
Until the either the P12, SEC or B1G say the will support it, I don't think anything is known for sure. If the ACC and B12 schools all vote for it, it is still only 25 of 65 votes. In addition, with the B12 throwing the ACC under the bus with the tri-pod comment, I can see Swofford trying to split the vote to Deregulation with 12 teams not 10 especially of the other P5s are ok with that.
Actually, this is not an area of autonomy and would need support of the entire division, not just the P5. So it would only be 25 of like 250 votes.
Really? All of D-I gets to vote on whether FBS can have deregulated football conference title games?
All those who play football, yes. AT the very least it's all of the subdivision, but there are FCS representatives on the Football Oversight Committee, who will be the first to delve into the issue.
(04-30-2015 12:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 12:16 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:35 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:31 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2015 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Neither is a done deal. Any talk of it being a done deal is puffery by ACC or XII folks. I have yet to see anyone else saying as much.
Until the either the P12, SEC or B1G say the will support it, I don't think anything is known for sure. If the ACC and B12 schools all vote for it, it is still only 25 of 65 votes. In addition, with the B12 throwing the ACC under the bus with the tri-pod comment, I can see Swofford trying to split the vote to Deregulation with 12 teams not 10 especially of the other P5s are ok with that.
Actually, this is not an area of autonomy and would need support of the entire division, not just the P5. So it would only be 25 of like 250 votes.
Really? All of D-I gets to vote on whether FBS can have deregulated football conference title games?
All those who play football, yes. AT the very least it's all of the subdivision, but there are FCS representatives on the Football Oversight Committee, who will be the first to delve into the issue.
Since the rule was made for all divisions, wouldn't all divisions be required to vote on the issue and not just D1.