(04-30-2015 02:48 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  or the whole bylaw entirely, leaving the 18.7.1 (e) intact. We don't know. It hasn't been made public.

In any case, I highly recommend that 18.7.1(e) be amended to include language to the effect of "A conference championship game, which shall only be played between the two winningest teams in the conference, on an open date ... ".

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-cons...16370.html

One thing the CFP intends to alter is to more thoroughly communicate the importance placed on winning a conference title. While it's a near-certainty that eventually a non-champion will get into the playoff field, the selection committee will give some weight to winning a title.

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I doubt the other p5's give a crap waht the big 12 does in terms of numbers. They all expanded to maximize their revenue which is what the Big 12 is doing by not expanding. I doubt there is any pressure to expand from the rest. Really don't understand why people keep repeating the idea that the rest will force the big 12 to expand.

(04-30-2015 10:00 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 won't expand. it will dissolve first. The lack of a Conference network means it will shortly produce a smaller revenue stream then the other major conferences as long as the ACC gets a Conference Network going. This would make the members in the Big 12 not named Texas begin to look elsewhere. It's only mater of time before the cookie crumbles. That's unless they implode sooner for more viable options.

Big 12 and ACC you're on the clock. TICK, TOCK.

There is reports that Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech wants to expand. Oklahoma State is on the fence. Texas and oklahoma are saying no, and Baylor wants to keep scheduling week opponents to be the champs of the Big 12. If they don't expand soon? The 6 schools that want more teams could break away, and invite Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, UCF and a couple of more like Northern Illinois, Old Dominion, USF or North Dakota State. Colorado State, BYU, Boise State and others could be on there. Boise State and BYU have their own tv deals that would not hurt the Big 12 pie much. It could add more money with those two.

(04-30-2015 06:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 10:00 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 won't expand. it will dissolve first. The lack of a Conference network means it will shortly produce a smaller revenue stream then the other major conferences as long as the ACC gets a Conference Network going. This would make the members in the Big 12 not named Texas begin to look elsewhere. It's only mater of time before the cookie crumbles. That's unless they implode sooner for more viable options.

Big 12 and ACC you're on the clock. TICK, TOCK.

There is reports that Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech wants to expand. Oklahoma State is on the fence. Texas and oklahoma are saying no, and Baylor wants to keep scheduling week opponents to be the champs of the Big 12. If they don't expand soon? The 6 schools that want more teams could break away, and invite Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, UCF and a couple of more like Northern Illinois, Old Dominion, USF or North Dakota State. Colorado State, BYU, Boise State and others could be on there. Boise State and BYU have their own tv deals that would not hurt the Big 12 pie much. It could add more money with those two.

Not sure how Baylor scheduling weak opponents helps make them champs of the Big 12. Don't they need to win games in the league to be that?

Cheers,
Neil

SWAC only have 10 teams and they play a CCG. Are they in violation of the by-laws? Big 12 wants to look like them?

Would the Big 12 expand if the teams that are likely target have their own tv package?
Northern Illinois = Huskeys Network for the Chicago Market.
North Dakota State=Dakota Network
Cincinnati=Bearcats network
Memphis=Memphis Network
East Carolina=Carolina Network
Old Dominion=Dominion Network
UCF=Orlando Sports Network
Georgia Southern=South Georgia Network (could share with some D2 schools.)
Stony Brook=Stony Brook Sports
Boise State=Broncos Network, they can add away games.
BYU =BYU Network
Even Arkansas State and Central Arkansas have a local tv sports show which could expand to other states.
Colorado State=Rams Network, keep them have games against Wyoming and Air Force with Colorado.

(04-30-2015 06:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  SWAC only have 10 teams and they play a CCG. Are they in violation of the by-laws? Big 12 wants to look like them?

Would the Big 12 expand if the teams that are likely target have their own tv package?

The simple answer is no. Move along.

(04-30-2015 07:03 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  SWAC only have 10 teams and they play a CCG. Are they in violation of the by-laws? Big 12 wants to look like them?

Would the Big 12 expand if the teams that are likely target have their own tv package?

The simple answer is no. Move along.

ESPN likes to spend money to get teams on tv. The teams I listed are their darlings not in the P5 conferences. Houston, Eastern Washington, Toledo, Ohio U., Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Colorado State, Arkansas State, La.-Lafayette, La.-Monroe, Hawaii and Fresno State are others. Marshall was one of their darlings before as well.

(04-30-2015 06:23 PM)billings Wrote:  I doubt the other p5's give a crap waht the big 12 does in terms of numbers. They all expanded to maximize their revenue which is what the Big 12 is doing by not expanding. I doubt there is any pressure to expand from the rest. Really don't understand why people keep repeating the idea that the rest will force the big 12 to expand.

The posters that represents the have-not programs want the other four P5 conferences to force the Big 12 to expand to give their team a chance to become a have.

(04-30-2015 06:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 10:00 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 won't expand. it will dissolve first. The lack of a Conference network means it will shortly produce a smaller revenue stream then the other major conferences as long as the ACC gets a Conference Network going. This would make the members in the Big 12 not named Texas begin to look elsewhere. It's only mater of time before the cookie crumbles. That's unless they implode sooner for more viable options.

Big 12 and ACC you're on the clock. TICK, TOCK.

There is reports that Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech wants to expand. Oklahoma State is on the fence. Texas and oklahoma are saying no, and Baylor wants to keep scheduling week opponents to be the champs of the Big 12. If they don't expand soon? The 6 schools that want more teams could break away...

Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 10:00 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 won't expand. it will dissolve first. The lack of a Conference network means it will shortly produce a smaller revenue stream then the other major conferences as long as the ACC gets a Conference Network going. This would make the members in the Big 12 not named Texas begin to look elsewhere. It's only mater of time before the cookie crumbles. That's unless they implode sooner for more viable options.

Big 12 and ACC you're on the clock. TICK, TOCK.

There is reports that Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech wants to expand. Oklahoma State is on the fence. Texas and oklahoma are saying no, and Baylor wants to keep scheduling week opponents to be the champs of the Big 12. If they don't expand soon? The 6 schools that want more teams could break away...

Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Texas A&M, Colorado and Missouri have. And Arkansas did as well when they were with Texas in the SWC. Texas was the one being blamed for the break up of the SWC. Then Baylor got the blame for taken a spot away from TCU, BYU and Houston for the Big 12. I never seen Baylor as part of the Haves since they were the laughing stock of the Big 12 being blown out in football games. The time have change, and their is some value in some of the G5 schools that these other Big 12 schools see and that the others do not. I am looking at how the Big 12 can get more money. More teams in the Big 12 could mean more bowl game bonuses, more basketball tournament money and so forth. Memphis, Cincinnati and UCF could bring extra money to the Big 12 for basketball along with BYU and Boise State. Cincinnati, Northern Illinois, East Carolina, UCF, Houston, Memphis, BYU, Boise State, North Dakota State and some others could bring extra money for football. To have a much better tv market value? You need content for tv packages that show that teams are competitive on the filed and court. Big 12 is lacking in some areas. Leaving West Virginia on an island all by themselves can cause issues, and these teams see that, and they want a much more stable conference by adding more. These schools in the Big 12 that wants expansions can stand up and make threats to the others if tat they don't get more teams into the conference? That they could break away and form a new conference leaving the 4 behind. You have 6 against 4 in favor of expansions. Big 12 is not stable, and most of these teams do not have a place to go. You might see a formation of a P6 conference if this happens.

(04-30-2015 07:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

Yeah, the problem is that Oklahoma and Texas gets $20 million while the rest get $10 million. That is without bonuses from bowls and tournaments. Adding more schools to the Big 12 can add more bonuses into the Big 12 coffers which could give all the schools more money. BYU and Boise State might be the only 2 that could join without taken away from the rest because of their TV contracts. Air Force, Army and Navy have theirs with the Armed Forces Network which they broadcast their games around the world.

(04-30-2015 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

Yeah, the problem is that Oklahoma and Texas gets $20 million while the rest get $10 million.

That statement is incorrect.

How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

(04-30-2015 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Break away from Texas and Oklahoma? Not likely.

Break away from TX and OU now ... or TX and OU will break away from them later.

Yeah, the problem is that Oklahoma and Texas gets $20 million while the rest get $10 million. That is without bonuses from bowls and tournaments. Adding more schools to the Big 12 can add more bonuses into the Big 12 coffers which could give all the schools more money. BYU and Boise State might be the only 2 that could join without taken away from the rest because of their TV contracts. Air Force, Army and Navy have theirs with the Armed Forces Network which they broadcast their games around the world.

The kid needs to be banned because he has no clue. 8 Big 12 members get full shares while TCU and West Virginia get escalated shares.

In what business world would a conference add schools who take more than they give. The Big 12 has said no a million times to G5 schools and will continue to do so. TCU, Louisville and Utah got the last boat out of G5 irrelevancy.

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

(04-30-2015 09:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 08:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  How many times does the Big 12 have to publicly say they won't expand before people let the issue die?

There are hints from the other schools like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia that they want to go with expansions. These schools nobody really wants in their conference because they lack a tc market. These schools see the sign, and want to help make their conference better. I bet if you get a vote of Big 12 schools about expansions? It would be a majority in favor. Traveling to West Virginia for games would eat up their athletic departments. It will not last before schools will start looking to leave the Big 12 for something better.

Wrong again. Texas Tech has no interest in adding small schools. We were against adding TCU and wanted Louisville. OU wanted Louisville.

Boise, Colorado St and the others you dream about have no chance.

TCU was added to take A&M's place. Missouri had not yet left. After they left, WV and Louisville fought it over for the last spot. Yes OU wanted Louisville, but WV obviously had the votes. They should have taken both with a school to be named later.