What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

It's health insurance - not healthcare.

It's either not important since you never use it, or never enough if you are unhealthy and need care.

The system is broken, and to be honest I have no idea how to fix it. Doctors deserve what they make, so you're not going to convince me that they should be the ones that have to slash their salaries.

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Well, the Obamacare signup commercials touting subsidies give the impression that it's little to no cost. Ah, those pesky $6K individual and $12K family out-of -pocket costs.

How do people that can't afford the premiums foot $12K out of pocket?

Answer - they don't.

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

I cannot believe that you can't find something better than that?

Why don't you look somewhere else.

Thanks to Obamacare, you can do that with a pre existing condition.

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

(02-16-2015 11:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

I'm willing to bet that the poorest in our country vote the least. Therefore, this theory is bunk.

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

I'm willing to bet that the poorest in our country vote the least. Therefore, this theory is bunk.

No it's not because they all vote the same way. They always vote for the party of free stuff.

(02-16-2015 11:11 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

I'm willing to bet that the poorest in our country vote the least. Therefore, this theory is bunk.

No it's not because they all vote the same way. They always vote for the party of free stuff.

You got a link for that?

(02-16-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:11 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

I'm willing to bet that the poorest in our country vote the least. Therefore, this theory is bunk.

No it's not because they all vote the same way. They always vote for the party of free stuff.

You got a link for that?

You got a link for saying the theory is bunk?

Anyway, in typical fashion you're derailing the original topic of those pesky co-pays that people can't afford.

(02-16-2015 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

I cannot believe that you can't find something better than that?

Why don't you look somewhere else.

Thanks to Obamacare, you can do that with a pre existing condition.

I get health insurance through my company, that means I can't get it through the Obamacare exchanges.

Only a retard would think affordable health care is affordable. Hell, the affordable insurance isn't affordable and the affordable health care is astronomically unafforable.

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

I called bull**** on this claim of yours before. So it's time to put up or shut up. Prove it, if it's even true, and also prove it was related DIRECTLY to the ACA.

And we've covered the $2500 ad naseum. That was said before any bill was close to being passed and in no way represented any claims made about the final law.

(02-16-2015 10:52 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Well, the Obamacare signup commercials touting subsidies give the impression that it's little to no cost. Ah, those pesky $6K individual and $12K family out-of -pocket costs.

How do people that can't afford the premiums foot $12K out of pocket?

Answer - they don't.

Answer - You work with the hospital or the provider. I haven't met one yet that won't let you pay a modest monthly fee that fits your budget.

(02-16-2015 11:24 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

I cannot believe that you can't find something better than that?

Why don't you look somewhere else.

Thanks to Obamacare, you can do that with a pre existing condition.

I get health insurance through my company, that means I can't get it through the Obamacare exchanges.

Only a retard would think affordable health care is affordable. Hell, the affordable insurance isn't affordable and the affordable health care is astronomically unafforable.

Fit is immune to your plight as his teachers insurance likely still has just $15 co-pays and that's it - or at least still nothing like people in your situation have to deal with. It's why he still defends the law to the hilt - it doesn't affect him at all.

(02-16-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:11 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Because he only gives lip service to you, but really only cares about those at the bottom as a voting constituency and those at the top that fund his politics. Face it, you don't have anything he wants....

I'm willing to bet that the poorest in our country vote the least. Therefore, this theory is bunk.

No it's not because they all vote the same way. They always vote for the party of free stuff.

You got a link for that?

You got a link that the poorest in the country vote the least?

(02-16-2015 11:24 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  I get health insurance through my company, that means I can't get it through the Obamacare exchanges.

Only a retard would think affordable health care is affordable. Hell, the affordable insurance isn't affordable and the affordable health care is astronomically unafforable.

That's exactly why I have no chance of qualifying for a subsidy. Because my company offers insurance.

(02-16-2015 10:52 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Well, the Obamacare signup commercials touting subsidies give the impression that it's little to no cost. Ah, those pesky $6K individual and $12K family out-of -pocket costs.

How do people that can't afford the premiums foot $12K out of pocket?

Answer - they don't.

Obama stated that one reason for OBlunderCare was so that people wouldnt go broke if they got sick with a disease like cancer.

So his fix to that problem was to ensure people go broke if they break their foot.

(02-16-2015 10:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What a surprise - things Hambone and others within the field have been saying would happen..........

Free healthcare isn't free - imagine that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/co-payment...02146.html

Who ever said healthcare was free?

Whatever happened to the $2500 savings?

I pay $7k in insurance premiums and have a $12k deductible. 2 years ago I was paying less than $2k per year in premiums and had a $3k deductible. On January 1st of this year a drug my kid absolutely needs went from a hair over $20.00 per month to $912.13 per month and it is all because of Obamacare. My cholesterol meds went from $20 to $400 a month. And I have to pay out the ass for the asthma inhalers for both my wife and kid. I have nothing left to stiulate the economy with. The only people I'm stimulating are the evil insurance companies.

I am the middle class, why is Obama killing me?

Same here, my cost has increased 2.5 times and deductible has skyrocketed upward.
Obamacare forces non exchange policies to include all kinds of stuff that you might not want or need. Choice has been decreased and costs have vastly increased.

(02-16-2015 11:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I called bull**** on this claim of yours before. So it's time to put up or shut up. Prove it, if it's even true, and also prove it was related DIRECTLY to the ACA.

The drug is Abilify. Try to find a price for it, if you think I'm lying then prove it. And no, the substitutes for it don't work, they actually make his condition worse. Amazingly, one of the substitutes costs only $6.00. We were so hopeful, too.

The cost went up on 1/1/15 and my insurance company said it was "because of recent changes in the health care laws." Sorry, I didn't record the call, but I can give you their number.

And thanks for calling me a liar about something you know nothing about but is in fact part of my life. You can be such a dickhead that I often think there's a pee hole at the top of your head.