Obama refuses to use the term "radical Islam". And he denies ISIS is connected to Islam in any way (even though they call themselves the "Islamic State").

So what does Obama call this nation/group/phenomenon? He calls it "violent extremism".

Does it bother anyone that our government is twisting the language to obscure what is really happening? This is Orwellian. They are intentionally trying to mislead us. I guess it's good that most Americans see through this crap and just laugh it off. But it's creepy knowing our government is that detached from reality and so evil that it wants to deceive us. The whole thing is unsettling.

it did when I was a tyke....

and '84 was a year after hs graduation.....

why do you think I think the way I do?

easily the best premise of flesh from that period.....

(02-18-2015 09:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Obama refuses to use the term "radical Islam". And he denies ISIS is connected to Islam in any way (even though they call themselves the "Islamic State").

So what does Obama call this nation/group/phenomenon? He calls it "violent extremism".

Does it bother anyone that our government is twisting the language to obscure what is really happening? This is Orwellian. They are intentionally trying to mislead us. I guess it's good that most Americans see through this crap and just laugh it off. But it's creepy knowing our government is that detached from reality and so evil that it wants to deceive us. The whole thing is unsettling.

How stupid does a person have to be misled by these statements? Islamic is part of the acronym. All he is doing is trying to be the "sensitive westerner" reinforcing (annoyingly I might add) that the west isnt at war with the Islamic world, so Muslims from Dearborn to Malaysia can sleep easy at night.

The only thing that is upsetting is he feels the need to make the statement every 30 seconds. Any normal intelligent person can differentiate from the Muslim fighting in ISIS and the Muslim fighting traffic on the way to work in DC, and those who can't differentiate the two, can't because they don't want to.

(02-18-2015 09:46 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 09:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Obama refuses to use the term "radical Islam". And he denies ISIS is connected to Islam in any way (even though they call themselves the "Islamic State").

So what does Obama call this nation/group/phenomenon? He calls it "violent extremism".

Does it bother anyone that our government is twisting the language to obscure what is really happening? This is Orwellian. They are intentionally trying to mislead us. I guess it's good that most Americans see through this crap and just laugh it off. But it's creepy knowing our government is that detached from reality and so evil that it wants to deceive us. The whole thing is unsettling.

How stupid does a person have to be misled by these statements? Islamic is part of the acronym. All he is doing is trying to be the "sensitive westerner" reinforcing (annoyingly I might add) that the west isnt at war with the Islamic world, so Muslims from Dearborn to Malaysia can sleep easy at night.

The only thing that is upsetting is he feels the need to make the statement every 30 seconds. Any normal intelligent person can differentiate from the Muslim fighting in ISIS and the Muslim fighting traffic on the way to work in DC, and those who can't differentiate the two, can't because they don't want to.

Which is half the people on this board.

I've been alarmed by Orwellian language from this administration from the get-go, starting with the "Affordable Care" Act. Just like the patRIOT Act from the prior administration, which this administration has sought to keep in force despite campaign rhetoric suggesting the opposite.

I've been concerned about this for a long time. PC folks continue to redefine English. A perfect example is how the word "thug" is suddenly offensive.

I really think those in politics have learned that a majority of the electorate is little more than sheeple that can be fed whatever line they want and the ignorant class will buy it.

It is unfortunate that far,far too many in this country ignore the things that can actually affect them in the political world yet know all the Kardashians and keep up with all the celebrity stuff. O'Reilly's, Watter's world, shows this every time it's on.

With that said, people will focus on whatever it is they choose- it's just a shame so many are willfully ignorant. It's why in politics celebrity has become more important than knowledge, experience and, most importantly - deeds. It is how we can elect a president with no resume of experience and accomplishments - and do it twice.

(02-19-2015 08:08 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I really think those in politics have learned that a majority of the electorate is little more than sheeple that can be fed whatever line they want and the ignorant class will buy it.

It is unfortunate that far,far too many in this country ignore the things that can actually affect them in the political world yet know all the Kardashians and keep up with all the celebrity stuff. O'Reilly's, Watter's world, shows this every time it's on.

With that said, people will focus on whatever it is they choose- it's just a shame so many are willfully ignorant. It's why in politics celebrity has become more important than knowledge, experience and, most importantly - deeds. It is how we can elect a president with no resume of experience and accomplishments - and do it twice.

I used to call those people the "Laverne and Shirley" voters. Old timers will remember that TV show. Now we call them "Obama" voters.

(02-19-2015 08:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:08 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I really think those in politics have learned that a majority of the electorate is little more than sheeple that can be fed whatever line they want and the ignorant class will buy it.

It is unfortunate that far,far too many in this country ignore the things that can actually affect them in the political world yet know all the Kardashians and keep up with all the celebrity stuff. O'Reilly's, Watter's world, shows this every time it's on.

With that said, people will focus on whatever it is they choose- it's just a shame so many are willfully ignorant. It's why in politics celebrity has become more important than knowledge, experience and, most importantly - deeds. It is how we can elect a president with no resume of experience and accomplishments - and do it twice.

I used to call those people the "Laverne and Shirley" voters. Old timers will remember that TV show. Now we call them "Obama voters".

Yep. I'm always amazed when someone doesn't know who we fought to gain independence, yet knows what everyone wore to the Grammys. Ah, I guess people choose what they're interested in, and I guess that's okay - just don't b!tch when some current issue doesn't go your way, your willful ignorance is a contributor.

No. Language does not remain the same and Orwell wasn't some visionary in this regard. He picked up on a loooooooong standing phenomenon in language that was exacerbated by post WWII bureaucracy.

(02-19-2015 10:25 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  No. Language does not remain the same and Orwell wasn't some visionary in this regard. He picked up on a loooooooong standing phenomenon in language that was exacerbated by post WWII bureaucracy.

wholeheartedly agree regarding "language"..... however, I think his writing was genius

the evolution of language is one of the few things I enjoy watching happen as the clock tick-tocks....to me, it's the infinite jigsaw puzzle that adds/deletes pieces as necessary.....I'm just weird like that....

the following is a snipet from some random article back in '09....

Quote:Years before, in the essay "Why I Write", he had described the struggle to complete a book: "Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout of some painful illness. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven by some demon whom one can neither resist or [sic] understand. For all one knows that demon is the same instinct that makes a baby squall for attention. And yet it is also true that one can write nothing readable unless one constantly struggles to efface one's personality." Then that famous Orwellian coda. "Good prose is like a window pane."

yeah, I like the transparency of his soul train

(02-19-2015 08:37 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:08 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I really think those in politics have learned that a majority of the electorate is little more than sheeple that can be fed whatever line they want and the ignorant class will buy it.

It is unfortunate that far,far too many in this country ignore the things that can actually affect them in the political world yet know all the Kardashians and keep up with all the celebrity stuff. O'Reilly's, Watter's world, shows this every time it's on.

With that said, people will focus on whatever it is they choose- it's just a shame so many are willfully ignorant. It's why in politics celebrity has become more important than knowledge, experience and, most importantly - deeds. It is how we can elect a president with no resume of experience and accomplishments - and do it twice.

I used to call those people the "Laverne and Shirley" voters. Old timers will remember that TV show. Now we call them "Obama voters".

Yep. I'm always amazed when someone doesn't know who we fought to gain independence, yet knows what everyone wore to the Grammys. Ah, I guess people choose what they're interested in, and I guess that's okay - just don't b!tch when some current issue doesn't go your way, your willful ignorance is a contributor.

the irony about both of these posts is what is being referenced and 'why' those references were chosen....

what you guys are really saying is we are all simpletons walking down the road of 'no matter'.....

(02-19-2015 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:37 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:08 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I really think those in politics have learned that a majority of the electorate is little more than sheeple that can be fed whatever line they want and the ignorant class will buy it.

It is unfortunate that far,far too many in this country ignore the things that can actually affect them in the political world yet know all the Kardashians and keep up with all the celebrity stuff. O'Reilly's, Watter's world, shows this every time it's on.

With that said, people will focus on whatever it is they choose- it's just a shame so many are willfully ignorant. It's why in politics celebrity has become more important than knowledge, experience and, most importantly - deeds. It is how we can elect a president with no resume of experience and accomplishments - and do it twice.

I used to call those people the "Laverne and Shirley" voters. Old timers will remember that TV show. Now we call them "Obama voters".

Yep. I'm always amazed when someone doesn't know who we fought to gain independence, yet knows what everyone wore to the Grammys. Ah, I guess people choose what they're interested in, and I guess that's okay - just don't b!tch when some current issue doesn't go your way, your willful ignorance is a contributor.

the irony about both of these posts is what is being referenced and 'why' those references were chosen....

what you guys are really saying is we are all simpletons walking down the road of 'no matter'.....

In some sense - Yes.

(02-18-2015 09:46 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 09:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Obama refuses to use the term "radical Islam". And he denies ISIS is connected to Islam in any way (even though they call themselves the "Islamic State").

So what does Obama call this nation/group/phenomenon? He calls it "violent extremism".

Does it bother anyone that our government is twisting the language to obscure what is really happening? This is Orwellian. They are intentionally trying to mislead us. I guess it's good that most Americans see through this crap and just laugh it off. But it's creepy knowing our government is that detached from reality and so evil that it wants to deceive us. The whole thing is unsettling.

Any normal intelligent person can differentiate from the Muslim fighting in ISIS and the Muslim fighting traffic on the way to work in DC, and those who can't differentiate the two, can't because they don't want to.

I think you nailed it. He's speaking directly to this board.