(01-02-2015 07:20 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  OK..... Why TF would Baylor and TCU leave the Big 12 for the American? Why would the B1G go after Iowa St (they already own this mega market) and WVU (a nonexistent market)?

I have always thought the B1G may as well grab ISU - there is something for locking the B12 completely out of your state for recruiting, etc. If ISU was a B1G team, Roy Williams doesn't get LaFrentz and Heinrich.

What would make sense is to grab Kansas and ISU, both AAU schools, and be at 16 first.

I am always amused when reporters ignore the AAU issue - the B1G has made it clear they are only adding AAU schools or Notre Dame.

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

Quote:IMO, Big 12 will add Boise State definitely. Then the last B12 team should be BYU. If BYU shall pass, it goes to Cincinnati.

UConn will join ACC when Notre Dame is ready for full ACC membership.

The B12 President said the B12 will NOT expand West. Period.

Stupid move, but par for the course for the B12.

(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

This may have some minor truth to it. However, if the B1G takes Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech away from the ACC, then those remaining ACC schools will all of a sudden be very pro-UConn.

Anyway, I don't know why NC State would be thumbing their nose at UConn. They aren't exactly a football powerhouse either. They may fancy themselves one, but that is pure delusion.

I guess I have to state for the record...I was being sarcastic.

(01-02-2015 06:57 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 07:20 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I am starting to think that the Big 12 is unstable. The Big Ten could go after Iowa State and West Virginia. The American could go after Baylor and TCU. The Big 12 then would be down to 6 teams.

OK..... Why TF would Baylor and TCU leave the Big 12 for the American? Why would the B1G go after Iowa St (they already own this mega market) and WVU (a nonexistent market)?

Hey Clairton. You forgot some of the old Big East boards rule. Once Hitler is mentioned in a thread, the thread ends. Once David Krysakowski posts in a thread, the thread should end immediately.

Cheers,
Neil

(01-02-2015 06:03 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 06:57 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 07:20 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I am starting to think that the Big 12 is unstable. The Big Ten could go after Iowa State and West Virginia. The American could go after Baylor and TCU. The Big 12 then would be down to 6 teams.

OK..... Why TF would Baylor and TCU leave the Big 12 for the American? Why would the B1G go after Iowa St (they already own this mega market) and WVU (a nonexistent market)?

Hey Clairton. You forgot some of the old Big East boards rule. Once Hitler is mentioned in a thread, the thread ends. Once David Krysakowski posts in a thread, the thread should end immediately.

Cheers,
Neil

Who died and made you Hitler...the thread is over only when the 4pm Tuesday presser is announced by the WV insiders.

WVU will name their new AD at Tuesday's 4pm press conference .




















Not really. But I just couldn't resist.

The offers have all come in. UConn is just weighing its options.

(01-02-2015 02:41 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I like three pods of 5 as well. The ideal selection system is the three Pod winners and a wild card, but that adds an extra game.

Conference tournaments will serve as the quarter-finals to send teams to the final four.
The wild card team for the ACC could allow Notre Dame (and maybe Texas) to participate in the national tournament within the conference structure. I'm thinking the highest ranked team (not a pod winner) would be the 4th qualifier.

(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

Curious, with BC and Syracuse, how does UCONN expand the conference TV market? It seems if the ACC were looking to expand they would want Cincy for the Ohio market or Houston or SMU for the Texas market. However, I really don't see the ACC expanding unless ND were to join full time.

(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

You are conflating NC State with UNC.

NC State has NEVER voted for adding UConn to the ACC.

(01-02-2015 06:54 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The offers have all come in. UConn is just weighing its options.

via Imgflip Meme Maker

I don't know why speculation is focusing on Uconn, and who did or did not vote for them during previous rounds of expansion? For one, all these individuals claiming particular schools did not vote for them, your source? The only published accounts that I have read indicated North Carolina and Duke wanted Uconn, and BC and FSU wanted Louisville. All other accounts have no basis in any factual record.

Cincy is the target. That much is clear.[/size]

BC was ok with UConn joining Hockey East. which many feel is BC's favorite sport

(01-02-2015 08:12 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 07:20 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  OK..... Why TF would Baylor and TCU leave the Big 12 for the American? Why would the B1G go after Iowa St (they already own this mega market) and WVU (a nonexistent market)?

WVU own almost all the eastern seaboard market. Second to none. Plus WVU's academics are suppose to jump to somewhere in the mid fifties next year.....

Say what, amigo?

(01-02-2015 09:55 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 08:12 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 07:20 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  OK..... Why TF would Baylor and TCU leave the Big 12 for the American? Why would the B1G go after Iowa St (they already own this mega market) and WVU (a nonexistent market)?

WVU own almost all the eastern seaboard market. Second to none. Plus WVU's academics are suppose to jump to somewhere in the mid fifties next year.....

Say what, amigo?

icon usually means sarcasm alert.

Cheers,
Neil