Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
Author Message
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #61
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 09:33 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  BC was ok with UConn joining Hockey East. which many feel is BC's favorite sport

They don't feel threatened in hockey.
01-02-2015 10:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,969
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #62
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 10:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 09:33 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  BC was ok with UConn joining Hockey East. which many feel is BC's favorite sport

They don't feel threatened in hockey.

BC doesn't want to split the few new england football recruits between any more condenders in the big money making sport.
01-02-2015 10:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #63
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 07:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious, with BC and Syracuse, how does UCONN expand the conference TV market? It seems if the ACC were looking to expand they would want Cincy for the Ohio market or Houston or SMU for the Texas market. However, I really don't see the ACC expanding unless ND were to join full time.

Boston College has the Boston market and probably Providence, RI.

Syracuse has part of the NYC market.

UConn has it's own top 25 market (Hartford/New Haven/western Mass.), and a part of NYC. There is slight overlap with Syracuse in NYC, but that market has 19 million people; it's huge.

There is no single "New England" market. It is several markets ... like Ohio.
01-02-2015 10:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #64
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
I'm not saying UConn is going anywhere. I think we're in the AAC for quite a while. I'm just enlightening people on the situation there.
(This post was last modified: 01-02-2015 10:41 PM by UConn-SMU.)
01-02-2015 10:39 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rich52c Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 848
Joined: Jun 2008
Reputation: 8
I Root For: Uconn
Location:
Post: #65
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 10:39 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I'm not saying UConn is going anywhere. I think we're in the AAC for quite a while. I'm just enlightening people on the situation there.

Not until the b12 breaks up.
01-02-2015 11:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goodknightfl Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 21,110
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 499
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #66
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
I think we are all here for 3 to 5 years. There will be more expansion, but not this early in the TV deal run.
01-03-2015 08:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
gosports1 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,845
Joined: Sep 2008
Reputation: 153
I Root For: providence
Location:
Post: #67
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
actually the auther is correct. expansion is coming. Navy joins the AAC in july! 04-cheers
01-03-2015 08:44 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Shannon Panther Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,877
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 370
I Root For: Pitt
Location: Nashville, TN

Donators
Post: #68
Re: RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 05:15 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

This may have some minor truth to it. However, if the B1G takes Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech away from the ACC, then those remaining ACC schools will all of a sudden be very pro-UConn.

Anyway, I don't know why NC State would be thumbing their nose at UConn. They aren't exactly a football powerhouse either. They may fancy themselves one, but that is pure delusion.

If the B1G could have gotten those 3 schools, they would have. The only ACC school they could lure was a financial basket case who got $30 million up front to jump. MD then paid $31 million in exit fees to leave and ended up about even. The fact remains that no other ACC school has any interest in leaving unless a spot in the SEC comes open. That could change, but with the GOR nobody is going anywhere until it expires.
01-03-2015 09:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
omniorange Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,144
Joined: Apr 2004
Reputation: 251
I Root For: Syracuse
Location:

Donators
Post: #69
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  If the B1G could have gotten those 3 schools, they would have. The only ACC school they could lure was a financial basket case who got $30 million up front to jump. MD then paid $31 million in exit fees to leave and ended up about even. The fact remains that no other ACC school has any interest in leaving unless a spot in the SEC comes open. That could change, but with the GOR nobody is going anywhere until it expires.

I have a great deal of respect for the B1G and its commissioner's world domination efforts, but the truth is the truth.

In 2010 - they wanted ND, Texas, and Texas A&M and got Nebraska

In 2012 - they wanted at least two of UNC, UVA, Maryland, and GT (some say even FSU was in the mix) and got Maryland and Rutgers.

They haven't lost any members to expansion, like the Big 12 and the ACC so that's a plus.

The other two P5s have similar situations. The SEC wanted A&M and VT but got A&M and Mizzou (in time, this will likely be viewed as the best expansion gets).

The PAC wanted Colorado, Texas, A&M, OU, Okla State, and TTU (though some said if it wasn't for UT insisting upon TTU, they would have preferred Utah or Kansas as the 6th get). They wound up with Colorado and Utah.

Just showing that no conference winds up with everything they want and that there are compromise choices for all of them as they travel the expansion pathway.

Cheers,
Neil
01-03-2015 09:12 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
msm96wolf Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,558
Joined: Apr 2006
Reputation: 180
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #70
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 10:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious, with BC and Syracuse, how does UCONN expand the conference TV market? It seems if the ACC were looking to expand they would want Cincy for the Ohio market or Houston or SMU for the Texas market. However, I really don't see the ACC expanding unless ND were to join full time.

Boston College has the Boston market and probably Providence, RI.

Syracuse has part of the NYC market.

UConn has it's own top 25 market (Hartford/New Haven/western Mass.), and a part of NYC. There is slight overlap with Syracuse in NYC, but that market has 19 million people; it's huge.

There is no single "New England" market. It is several markets ... like Ohio.

Thanks, I was not sure since it appears everything is about TV market and no longer Regional match ups. Looked up Neilson

Dallas with SMU - 5th Market
Houston - 10th Market
Hartford/New Haven - 30th Market
Cincy - 36th Market

While Cincy and UCONN have probably the better programs, TX has the bigger markets. I could see Swofford and the football schools prefer those markets for recruiting and TV. All the schools would be good candidates, but if I had a preference for a G5 it would probably be in the following order Houston, Cincy, SMU and UCONN. My opinion is the ACC does not need any more NE exposure. I think Swofford still hopes to get a Texas B12 school if he can get ND to join full time. Otherwise, I don't see the ACC going past 14/15 teams.
01-03-2015 09:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
omniorange Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,144
Joined: Apr 2004
Reputation: 251
I Root For: Syracuse
Location:

Donators
Post: #71
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 09:57 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 10:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious, with BC and Syracuse, how does UCONN expand the conference TV market? It seems if the ACC were looking to expand they would want Cincy for the Ohio market or Houston or SMU for the Texas market. However, I really don't see the ACC expanding unless ND were to join full time.

Boston College has the Boston market and probably Providence, RI.

Syracuse has part of the NYC market.

UConn has it's own top 25 market (Hartford/New Haven/western Mass.), and a part of NYC. There is slight overlap with Syracuse in NYC, but that market has 19 million people; it's huge.

There is no single "New England" market. It is several markets ... like Ohio.

Thanks, I was not sure since it appears everything is about TV market and no longer Regional match ups. Looked up Neilson

Dallas with SMU - 5th Market
Houston - 10th Market
Hartford/New Haven - 30th Market
Cincy - 36th Market

While Cincy and UCONN have probably the better programs, TX has the bigger markets. I could see Swofford and the football schools prefer those markets for recruiting and TV. All the schools would be good candidates, but if I had a preference for a G5 it would probably be in the following order Houston, Cincy, SMU and UCONN. My opinion is the ACC does not need any more NE exposure. I think Swofford still hopes to get a Texas B12 school if he can get ND to join full time. Otherwise, I don't see the ACC going past 14/15 teams.

Markets are only a small part of the discussion. And there is a huge difference between market "reach" and market "pull".

Much of the thinking in regard to the ACC has been more about the possibility of Texas with an ND type of deal when it comes to the state of Texas and its markets.

But does UT want this? Doesn't appear so at this time. UT seems content being the big dog in the Big 12. Does that change should the B1G successfully go after OU and KU? Time will tell. But I think things stay pretty much the same until the next decade.

Cheers,
Neil
01-03-2015 10:30 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #72
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 09:57 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 10:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious, with BC and Syracuse, how does UCONN expand the conference TV market? It seems if the ACC were looking to expand they would want Cincy for the Ohio market or Houston or SMU for the Texas market. However, I really don't see the ACC expanding unless ND were to join full time.

Boston College has the Boston market and probably Providence, RI.

Syracuse has part of the NYC market.

UConn has it's own top 25 market (Hartford/New Haven/western Mass.), and a part of NYC. There is slight overlap with Syracuse in NYC, but that market has 19 million people; it's huge.

There is no single "New England" market. It is several markets ... like Ohio.

Thanks, I was not sure since it appears everything is about TV market and no longer Regional match ups. Looked up Neilson

Dallas with SMU - 5th Market
Houston - 10th Market
Hartford/New Haven - 30th Market
Cincy - 36th Market

While Cincy and UCONN have probably the better programs, TX has the bigger markets. I could see Swofford and the football schools prefer those markets for recruiting and TV. All the schools would be good candidates, but if I had a preference for a G5 it would probably be in the following order Houston, Cincy, SMU and UCONN. My opinion is the ACC does not need any more NE exposure. I think Swofford still hopes to get a Texas B12 school if he can get ND to join full time. Otherwise, I don't see the ACC going past 14/15 teams.

Why did you leave out NYC for UConn? It's the "tri-state area". Have you ever lived there?

I love how people from Kentucky and Oregon think they're experts on NYC and eastern markets.
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2015 10:44 AM by UConn-SMU.)
01-03-2015 10:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jmc79er Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 107
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 10
I Root For: Boston College
Location:
Post: #73
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 08:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

Fear? I think you're wrong on that assessment. The key question is whether or not UConn adds any value. From a BC perspective, UConn does nothing. Does UConn increase our revenue? Does it increase interest? Does the fan base get excited about playing UConn? There really is no motivation for BC to lobby for adding UConn to the ACC. Plus, there are still some very strong negative feelings towards UConn after the lawsuit and the horrible way BC felt it was treated when leaving the Big East. Rightly or wrongly, UConn was perceived as the ringleader of the smear campaign.
01-03-2015 11:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #74
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 11:21 AM)jmc79er Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 08:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

Fear? I think you're wrong on that assessment. The key question is whether or not UConn adds any value. From a BC perspective, UConn does nothing. Does UConn increase our revenue? Does it increase interest? Does the fan base get excited about playing UConn? There really is no motivation for BC to lobby for adding UConn to the ACC. Plus, there are still some very strong negative feelings towards UConn after the lawsuit and the horrible way BC felt it was treated when leaving the Big East. Rightly or wrongly, UConn was perceived as the ringleader of the smear campaign.

On a level playing field, UConn buries BC.
01-03-2015 11:33 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jmc79er Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 107
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 10
I Root For: Boston College
Location:
Post: #75
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 11:21 AM)jmc79er Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 08:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

Fear? I think you're wrong on that assessment. The key question is whether or not UConn adds any value. From a BC perspective, UConn does nothing. Does UConn increase our revenue? Does it increase interest? Does the fan base get excited about playing UConn? There really is no motivation for BC to lobby for adding UConn to the ACC. Plus, there are still some very strong negative feelings towards UConn after the lawsuit and the horrible way BC felt it was treated when leaving the Big East. Rightly or wrongly, UConn was perceived as the ringleader of the smear campaign.

On a level playing field, UConn buries BC.

And it's precisely this type of attitude that would cause most of the BC fan base to revolt if BC ever did anything to benefit UConn. Your assessment regarding emotion is wrong. It's not fear, it's loathing.
01-03-2015 11:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
omniorange Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,144
Joined: Apr 2004
Reputation: 251
I Root For: Syracuse
Location:

Donators
Post: #76
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 11:21 AM)jmc79er Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 08:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

Fear? I think you're wrong on that assessment. The key question is whether or not UConn adds any value. From a BC perspective, UConn does nothing. Does UConn increase our revenue? Does it increase interest? Does the fan base get excited about playing UConn? There really is no motivation for BC to lobby for adding UConn to the ACC. Plus, there are still some very strong negative feelings towards UConn after the lawsuit and the horrible way BC felt it was treated when leaving the Big East. Rightly or wrongly, UConn was perceived as the ringleader of the smear campaign.

On a level playing field, UConn buries BC.

Agreed, in terms of overall athletic departments. UConn has one of the best in the country. But in terms of the ACC and its market reach/pull, UConn isn't in competition so much with BC as it is with SU since rightly or wrongly from the ACC perspective, BC is New England (it brought the ACC on to NESN) while UConn is viewed having a much bigger impact on New York than the New England area (outside of Connecticut, obviously).

In terms of national appeal, I think UConn has it all over BC in terms of men's and women's basketball. BC has it over UConn in terms of football, but not as big of a gap as there exists in basketball.

Cheers,
Neil
01-03-2015 11:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #77
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 11:48 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 11:21 AM)jmc79er Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 08:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  NC State already voted for UCONN.......TWICE! I won't stop you from thinking the opposite though. As for VT, it's my understanding they're not as anti-UCONN as you think.

I heard there were four hard no votes for UConn: FSU, Clemson, and Miami for football reasons. And Boston College, because they're scared.

Fear? I think you're wrong on that assessment. The key question is whether or not UConn adds any value. From a BC perspective, UConn does nothing. Does UConn increase our revenue? Does it increase interest? Does the fan base get excited about playing UConn? There really is no motivation for BC to lobby for adding UConn to the ACC. Plus, there are still some very strong negative feelings towards UConn after the lawsuit and the horrible way BC felt it was treated when leaving the Big East. Rightly or wrongly, UConn was perceived as the ringleader of the smear campaign.

On a level playing field, UConn buries BC.

Agreed, in terms of overall athletic departments. UConn has one of the best in the country. But in terms of the ACC and its market reach/pull, UConn isn't in competition so much with BC as it is with SU since rightly or wrongly from the ACC perspective, BC is New England (it brought the ACC on to NESN) while UConn is viewed having a much bigger impact on New York than the New England area (outside of Connecticut, obviously).

In terms of national appeal, I think UConn has it all over BC in terms of men's and women's basketball. BC has it over UConn in terms of football, but not as big of a gap as there exists in basketball.

Cheers,
Neil

Yes.

But BC does not own New England. They split New England. And they have 0% of NY.
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2015 04:39 PM by UConn-SMU.)
01-03-2015 12:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
lumberpack4 Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,336
Joined: Jun 2013
I Root For: ACC
Location:
Post: #78
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-02-2015 05:15 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='11612523' dateline='1420220913']
[quote='Otacon' pid='11611636' dateline='1420204371'][quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11611593' dateline='1420201245']
WVa had no chance to enter the ACC as long as MD was in the ACC. That's changed and there are probably only three solid blackballs against them - VA, Duke, and GT. That means they would have to run the table with market overlapers Pitt, Louisville, and VT, and get WF's vote.

I can't see WVa as the ACC's 15th football school, 16th or 18th maybe, but not 15th.

It's so much easier and simpler for the ACC to do nothing than to add.

Good points. That rivalry with Pitt and lesser with VT may be enough to entice them to lobby for WVU -- who does grab some of MD's media base.

I think people are making this too complicated- the two easy adds for the ACC are WVU and UConn. Just like the two easy adds for the B1G are ISU and Kansas.

UConn is not an easy add because they have four to six solid blackball votes against them, blackballs that can't be bought. No one in the ACC who balances their budget on the back of football attendance is going to vote for UConn - that's FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and of course BC who finds UConn an existential threat. UConn is to the ACC just what ISU is to the B10 - a redundancy that does not add to football.

This may have some minor truth to it. However, if the B1G takes Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech away from the ACC, then those remaining ACC schools will all of a sudden be very pro-UConn.

Anyway, I don't know why NC State would be thumbing their nose at UConn. They aren't exactly a football powerhouse either. They may fancy themselves one, but that is pure delusion.

UConn does nothing for NC State in football. That's not thumbing the nose nor is it somehow personal. We don't recruit the area, and the area produces few and sometimes no top 300 recruits. Our fans don't want to go there for an away football game (they don't want to go to Syracuse either). We are at capacity in our stadium (58K). There is no "freeboard" capacity that would be taken up playing UConn at home, we might as well play Gardner-Webb as the same number of tickets will be sold and there is no demand to jack up the price of a UConn tickets in football.

Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, and VT see this same set of issues. Now, Duke with it's NE fan base, and UVa with it's smaller NE fan contingent, Syracuse, Pitt, and BC could or would get a football boost of sorts. They recruit the area, they have alumni in the area. However, BC hell-hates UConn because they represent an existential threat to their turf.

It's personal only with BC, but it's personal because they perceive you as being in their footprint.

So NC State is not "thumbing it's nose", it's just looking out for its best interest.
01-03-2015 12:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
lumberpack4 Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,336
Joined: Jun 2013
I Root For: ACC
Location:
Post: #79
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
Another important thing to remember in the whole UConn thing is the perspective of Notre Dame. Notre Dame has football history and connections with BC, and Pitt. It was NC State's Chancellor who stopped the ACC expansion to 12 and kept Syracuse out of the ACC in order to begin negotiations and make a run at Notre Dame back in 2003. People forget that the deal Swofford thought he negotiated with Miami, BC, and Syracuse fell apart due to his not knowing the real position of UNC and Duke, underestimating VT's political power in Va, and not knowing NC State's Chancellor's connection with Notre Dame.

Gene Corrigan - the ACC commish before Swofford, was a former ND AD. ND has been the ACC's goal for a couple of decades. ND was not ready in 2004 so the bid to expand went to a traditional ND partner - BC. When it was time to expand again in 2011, we owed Syracuse because we had embarrassed them in 2003, the question was Pitt or UConn. Again the bid went to a traditional ND partner and not a school whose Attorney General had vigorously sued the ACC back in 2003. Once ND finally agreed to come on board in 2012, the ACC had two-thirds of the prize, however to get the other third it still takes a ND traditional partner.

MD's move revealed the ACC's contacts with Penn State and Northwestern - both schools that were "pre-approved" by ND so to speak. Once Maryland blew that up it became an issue of replacing MD as quick as possible and there was just one Football oriented program that also expanded the ACC's footprint who was ready to move - Louisville. The irony is that MD had always been the key blackball against WVa, and had WVa not been in the B12, the bid might have gone to WVa.

The bottom line is that the ACC is not going to add anyone else that is not in some way a traditional ND football partner, and/or expands the media footprint.
01-03-2015 12:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SeaBlue Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,190
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 43
I Root For: Michigan
Location: Indy
Post: #80
RE: Hartford Courant: "There will be another round of movement [expansion]"
(01-03-2015 12:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The bottom line is that the ACC is not going to add anyone else that is not in some way a traditional ND football partner, and/or expands the media footprint.

Sounds like the ACC could save some money by having the Notre Dame AD also serve as the ACC's commissioner. 07-coffee3
01-03-2015 01:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.