(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

What an interesting thought experiment though. Think if the inner city youths in question here were loaded up like Bundy's gang?????? Why didn't they have the loaded APC's roll up on the cattlemen crusaders for Amurica'.


WOW....... that right there is a scary thought. Our country is being torn apart at the seams by competing ideologies. I vividly remember the one photo of Cletus with the high powered sniper rifle training his sights on the ATF agents.

Cliven stole a heck of a lot more than cigarillos too........

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

and here you have it.

Never mind this thug robbed a store and attacked the cops. How dare they try to stop a misunderstood black man who is only acting within the parameters that society has placed him.

How dare the police take action against uneducated rioters firing shots at them and ransacking the town.

How dare them.

I've yet to see any evidence of out of control cops.

(08-15-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

and here you have it.

Never mind this thug robbed a store and attacked the cops. How dare they try to stop a misunderstood black man who is only acting within the parameters that society has placed him.

How dare the police take action against uneducated rioters firing shots at them and ransacking the town.

How dare them.

Way to read what I didn't write.

Like I've already said, I was speaking generally. I never claimed to have any idea what happened in this incident.

The chief of police in ferguson has said the police officer did not know Brown was a suspect in the robbery, but stopped him for walking in the street, but (I think he said) found the contraband on Brown.

(08-15-2014 02:09 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

and here you have it.

Never mind this thug robbed a store and attacked the cops. How dare they try to stop a misunderstood black man who is only acting within the parameters that society has placed him.

How dare the police take action against uneducated rioters firing shots at them and ransacking the town.

How dare them.

Way to read what I didn't write.

Like I've already said, I was speaking generally. I never claimed to have any idea what happened in this incident.

Your stance never waivers. It' the police's fault and we should ignore the fact that this kid attacked the officer. It's all about police being a bunch of meanies to a bunch of misunderstood youths.

I understand they ransacked their own town and shot at police. I have little sympathy.

(08-15-2014 01:47 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:43 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:22 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:12 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:07 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Actually - I prefer demilitarizing police forces as well except in some really bad areas of the country such as south Chicago, etc. I'm thinking Ferguson Missouri wouldn't be a place that needed a police force outfitted as though they were in a war zone in Iraq.

I did find it interesting that as soon as another "Police force" was used to control things (that wasn't in riot gear, etc.) - everything calmed down. I'm not saying Ferguson is a crime free safe place, but I don't think it's the wild west either like Compton, CA, etc.

This is nothing more than theatrics to help push the liberal agenda.

So why are heavily armed police OK in Ferguson MO, but not in Clark County NV? Since the militias who defended the Bundy Ranch and their supproters don't have the slighest drop of racist blood in their veins, why didn't they come to Ferguson to oppose the police there?

Lol, I can't help but chuckle at those who are comparing the Bundy Ranch event to this one... Wasn't that the feds going after Bundy anyways, for refusing to pay taxes? This story is about an unarmed black man, who just got finished robbing a convenience store, on his way to college, being shot by a white cop and then rioting and looting all of the stores, which is what caused the police to show up in the first place.

Pick and choose a little better please.

I agree with 99% of what you said, but FIFY.

Thanks brutha

(08-15-2014 01:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

These cops aren't out of control, they've had to step up in a situation that the town made by looting, rioting, and burning everything down, not to mention the death threats. I'm not down with these guys being criticized either. Maybe it could be handled better than it has been, but this is their first rodeo and deserve a break from the bashing they're getting. Just my opinion.

(08-15-2014 02:05 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What an interesting thought experiment though. Think if the inner city youths in question here were loaded up like Bundy's gang?????? Why didn't they have the loaded APC's roll up on the cattlemen crusaders for Amurica'.


WOW....... that right there is a scary thought. Our country is being torn apart at the seams by competing ideologies. I vividly remember the one photo of Cletus with the high powered sniper rifle training his sights on the ATF agents.

I never kept up with, or read up on that entire debacle, but I don't recall any looting or rioting over an issue that the media made into a racist issue.

(08-15-2014 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I did no such thing. I simply asked for an investigation from the start. I'm glad it was an open and shut case for you.

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Based off of two media provided accounts you said this sounded like first degree murder...

(08-15-2014 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I did no such thing. I simply asked for an investigation from the start. I'm glad it was an open and shut case for you.

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You said "looks like murder in the 1st" in another thread.

Based only on that information. Yes it LOOKS like 1st degree murder. That's just speculation of course.

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And on another thread where the robbery and picture were brought up you did not say "looks like robbery" you said "are you sure its him".. Can you see the double standard here?

(08-15-2014 02:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

These cops aren't out of control, they've had to step up in a situation that the town made by looting, rioting, and burning everything down, not to mention the death threats. I'm not down with these guys being criticized either. Maybe it could be handled better than it has been, but this is their first rodeo and deserve a break from the bashing they're getting. Just my opinion.

Don't forget the reports of gunshots and the Molotovs.

But here's the thing, if people want to protest something (without waiting for the investigation to conclude), they had better do it the right way. There is no need to cover your face or act like a fool or loot or riot. Those folks should be asked to leave the protest NOT by just the police, but by people seeking to have a "non-violent" protest. When you stand around, say nothing, and allow these people to join in on your assembly, you accept their actions as your own. Moreover, it is not enough to make comments after the fact...some people have to have the courage to so it while it is happening.

One of my favorite things to do is look at CNN comment sections - often they have good "top comments"... Here's the one for the article about Brown robbing the quick store.

Quote:Black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery. There is a crisis in Black America and it's not the police.... they need to look in the mirror and do some soul searching.

(08-15-2014 11:37 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Based only on that information. Yes it LOOKS like 1st degree murder. That's just speculation of course.

What do you believe to be the elements of 1st degree murder and what information indicates that those elements are all present?

I assume you've been through a concealed carry class. So tell me, are you within your legal rights to shoot someone who has their hands up, is some distance away from you, and is unarmed? That's what every single witness is saying happened. What happens to you if you shoot that person and kill them?

Let me fast forward to the answer - you're going on trial for murder.

Murder and 1st degree murder are not always the same thing..

The media is pathetic.

Putting a face and body to the name.

Quote:And here are photos of the robbery at the convenience store with a suspect who was identified as “Big Mike” Brown



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/...-shooting/

(08-15-2014 02:31 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Don't forget the reports of gunshots and the Molotovs.

But here's the thing, if people want to protest something (without waiting for the investigation to conclude), they had better do it the right way. There is no need to cover your face or act like a fool or loot or riot. Those folks should be asked to leave the protest NOT by just the police, but by people seeking to have a "non-violent" protest. When you stand around, say nothing, and allow these people to join in on your assembly, you accept their actions as your own. Moreover, it is not enough to make comments after the fact...some people have to have the courage to so it while it is happening.

Unfortunately, they feel more comfortable with the bigger crowd, and as long as they aren't the ones the crowd is mad at, they don't really care.

In my opinion, it all boils down to a lack of understanding, and a lack of common sense. They don't think about how stupid they'll look once the story is debunked and it wasn't actually about racism. And they can compare to the Bundy deal all they want, but at least those people knew the entire story before making their stand/move.

(08-15-2014 12:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there's the autopsy... Which will show where he was shot and how many times.. Which makes me wonder why a second autopsy was ordered by the family..

The autopsy won't lie, if it proves he was shot in the back with a 9mm at 35 feet, it's pretty clear.. But here's a crazy thought, what if it shows the entry wound was at the top of the shoulder and exited the back..

Gdunn... i don't see that as an "uncommon" occurrence. They may have questions about which shot was actually the shot that killed Mr. Brown.

Or they may have concerns about the integrity of the coroner who did the original decision.

Or it could be that they didnt' get the result they wanted to hear.

This request could be any of the three.