I also never ask for a link and then dismiss it when it's posted.

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(08-14-2014 11:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Whites ARE Also More Likely to have contraband yet blacks are more frequently stopped

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Lol

(08-14-2014 11:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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So you're in favor of racial profiling?

Just the opposite. If they weren't racially profiling, The numbers would be comparable. The police chief would have meetings where he would tell the officers today is black day. Stop every black person at the mall.

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So in order to keep up with the demographic percentage of race, the cops would NOT have to profile, that's what you're saying?

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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So between 70 and 80 percent of arrests should be Whitey? Really? I thought Liberals opposed profiling?

(08-14-2014 01:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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So between 70 and 80 percent of arrests should be Whitey? Really? I thought Liberals opposed profiling?

You forget. Libs are great at contradicting themselves. Their logo: "Do as I say, not as I do".

(08-14-2014 10:12 AM)gdunn Wrote:  You want the numbers to skew the way you think is correct, maybe get your a$$ in uniform and make the world a better place.

Btw.. the ferguson mayor pointed out that the Ferguson PD has actually had a program in place to hire more minority officers, but those officers LEFT for better paying jobs, and nobody qualified stepped to take their place.

Shame on those black cops for placing money over community.

(08-14-2014 12:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

The St. Louis City controller at the time hated me because I called her out on the new craptastic search warrant policy in my first ever "twitter war">

Cop pulls you over, you say no..

they call their dispatcher, they contact a judge, who then signs a warrant and then they can search the car. I'm still not sure how that works as the warrant has to be presented to the searchee, and the judge only can go on what he hears in the phone call as to whether or not a warrant can be applied.

In fact, I don't think i"ve ever seen the statistics on how often it was applied to be honest.

So according to Fit, all the black males currently in jail or prison, were framed? Wow!!


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(08-14-2014 12:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:10 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

so pretty much you are screwed no matter what?

Yep. Unless he doesn't have enough to get the warrant.

so technically, your 2% vs 3% argument is null and void... I hate agreeing with fit sometimes, but he is right on this one

(08-14-2014 01:28 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  So according to Fit, all the black males currently in jail or prison, were framed? Wow!!


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I never said that. Is this what you are going to do when you can't make an argument? make stuff up?

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Well that is the logical leap, using your logic.

As for my argument, people get stopped, pulled over for a reason, called "probable cause". Regardless of pigment in their skin.




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(08-14-2014 01:40 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well that is the logical leap, using your logic.

As for my argument, people get stopped, pulled over for a reason, called "probable cause". Regardless of pigment in their skin.




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(08-14-2014 12:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

Friend of mine declined a search. Politely. He spent two hours on the side of the road and had his car completely torn apart.

The police were very angry with him. But they didn't cook anything up against him and let him go.

Police should never be angry with someone for merely exercising their legitimate rights.

Good for your friend. However, I'd make certain that they replace any and all items damaged in the process.


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(08-14-2014 01:40 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well that is the logical leap, using your logic.

As for my argument, people get stopped, pulled over for a reason, called "probable cause". Regardless of pigment in their skin.




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Except that it happens more to blacks. Why? Be honest.

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This whole argument in America has become a chicken and the egg argument.

Do blacks get stopped more and searched more because they are blacks and thus convicted and turned into criminals or are many criminals that get others searched and therefore discovered?

Because they brake more laws apparently.


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[quote='South Carolina Duke' pid='10993384' dateline='1408042767']
Because they brake more laws apparently.


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That's racial profiling

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In my opinion, people assigning race to the whole issue is the problem. Poor people commit crimes at a dramatically higher rate. This is a fundamental truth that expresses itself across every group in society.

Publishing race based numbers like this is immoral in my opinion because it stokes racial tensions and the numbers are actually utterly meaningless.

Is crime rampant in the black community because they are black or because they have dramatically higher rates of poverty?

The answer is simple.

Race Race Race! That's all Americans care about and it's idiotic.

(08-14-2014 02:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  [quote='South Carolina Duke' pid='10993384' dateline='1408042767']
Because they brake more laws apparently.


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That's racial profiling

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So even if they're breaking the law, if they're black they shouldn't be pulled over? Is that what you're saying?