(08-14-2014 10:49 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Actually, whites are more likely to be involved with violent crimes

We're going off different base sizes: Percentage of overall arrests (your data) vs. percentage within each demographic (what I was referring to). Both are "correct," but the latter is more meaningful in the context of the topic.

(08-14-2014 10:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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So you're in favor of racial profiling?

Just the opposite. If they weren't racially profiling, The numbers would be comparable. The police chief would have meetings where he would tell the officers today is black day. Stop every black person at the mall.

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Fox news saying cops were over the top. Slow to respond. I'm amazed.

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(08-14-2014 11:00 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:49 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Actually, whites are more likely to be involved with violent crimes

We're going off different base sizes: Percentage of overall arrests (your data) vs. percentage within each demographic (what I was referring to). Both are "correct," but the latter is more meaningful in the context of the topic.

I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying, though, is that whites commit more crimes. You are more likely to be the victim of a crime committed by a white guy, as opposed to a black guy. As I said in my post, though, my argument isn't about race, it's about people having the means to commit these crimes.

Whites ARE Also More Likely to have contraband yet blacks are more frequently stopped

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(08-14-2014 11:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Whites ARE Also More Likely to have contraband yet blacks are more frequently stopped

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Link?

http://www.aclu-il.org/traffic-stop-data...ew-report/

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The data reveals, as an example, that statewide across Illinois, African American and Latino drivers are nearly twice as likely as white drivers to be asked during a routine traffic stop for “consent” to have their car searched. Yet white motorists are 49% more likely than African American motorists to have contraband discovered during a consent search by law enforcement, and 56% more likely when compared to Latinos.

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So a study done in Illinois by the ACLU is a link that shows it happens everywhere?

It's one example. Not every state keeps that data but in every state that does, the data is similar. Would you like that data as well or am I just wasting my time?

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(08-14-2014 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The data reveals, as an example, that statewide across Illinois, African American and Latino drivers are nearly twice as likely as white drivers to be asked during a routine traffic stop for “consent” to have their car searched. Yet white motorists are 49% more likely than African American motorists to have contraband discovered during a consent search by law enforcement, and 56% more likely when compared to Latinos.

So?

Be careful how you use percentages. You may be using 49% and 56% in a way that may be making them seem a lot bigger than they are. What is the actual percentage of whites who consent that have contraband discovered, what percentage of blacks, and what percentage of hispanics? Because if, for example, it's roughly 3% of whites and roughly 2% of blacks and hispanics, those percentages would be mathematically true, but would suggest that the percentage in all cases is quite low, not that there is the huge disparity you are trying to suggest. I don't know, and figure asking you is quicker than looking it up myself, so that's why I'm asking.

Honestly, you're wasting your time. You're quoting stats that you got from the article using a percentage to this percentage, but what are the cold hard facts..

Another question should be, since you and the ACLU are above racial prejudice is why are these people being asked if they have contraband? Do they exhibit some type of characteristic or odor that let's cops know something's not right. Where's that tidbit at?

(08-14-2014 11:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The data reveals, as an example, that statewide across Illinois, African American and Latino drivers are nearly twice as likely as white drivers to be asked during a routine traffic stop for “consent” to have their car searched. Yet white motorists are 49% more likely than African American motorists to have contraband discovered during a consent search by law enforcement, and 56% more likely when compared to Latinos.

So?

Be careful how you use percentages. You may be using 49% and 56% in a way that may be making them seem a lot bigger than they are. What is the actual percentage of whites who consent that have contraband discovered, what percentage of blacks, and what percentage of hispanics? Because if, for example, it's roughly 3% of whites and roughly 2% of blacks and hispanics, those percentages would be mathematically true, but would suggest that the percentage in all cases is quite low, not that there is the huge disparity you are trying to suggest. I don't know, and figure asking you is quicker than looking it up myself, so that's why I'm asking.

Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

(08-14-2014 12:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

so pretty much you are screwed no matter what?

(08-14-2014 12:10 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Never been asked to be searched, so I don't know the process, but if you say "no you can't search my car" will the cop just let you go?

Then he has to get a warrant. He'll call downtown and somebody will walk it through. And he can detain you while he's waiting.

so pretty much you are screwed no matter what?

Yep. Unless he doesn't have enough to get the warrant.

He might be Psss after he gets the warrant too. Then you'll be in real trouble...with him. I tell my kids, if you get stopped by the cops cooperate and you won't get shot. I seriously don't trust them, they have the law and the guns on their side. How many times have you heard of cops leaving a weapon that doesn't belong to the victim making the victim guilty.

If I was in trouble I'd have to call the cops, I have no other recourse, because most of the time you'll get in trouble for defending yourself. It's a double edge sword.

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly, you're wasting your time. You're quoting stats that you got from the article using a percentage to this percentage, but what are the cold hard facts..

Another question should be, since you and the ACLU are above racial prejudice is why are these people being asked if they have contraband? Do they exhibit some type of characteristic or odor that let's cops know something's not right. Where's that tidbit at?

I knew you would care for the facts. Next time don't ask for a link if you aren't going to bother to read it.

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As of last year, every search warrant in St. Louis County comes with a SWAT team.

(08-14-2014 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 12:02 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly, you're wasting your time. You're quoting stats that you got from the article using a percentage to this percentage, but what are the cold hard facts..

Another question should be, since you and the ACLU are above racial prejudice is why are these people being asked if they have contraband? Do they exhibit some type of characteristic or odor that let's cops know something's not right. Where's that tidbit at?

I knew you would care for the facts. Next time don't ask for a link if you aren't going to bother to read it.

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I read it.. But they say this percentage to that percentage.. What are the actual numbers.. But hey you don't read half the sh*t others put here or what you write, so what does it matter to you.