(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

People who grow up in poorer, rougher neighborhoods - oftentimes with absent parents - are more likely to commit violent crimes. And the percentage of black people who fit this profile is higher than for other ethnic demographics.

It might be un-PC to say, but it's fact.

It's not that I disagree that there are some racist white cops out there that fan the flames of the problem. But you can't force-fit arrest percentages to perfectly match demographic percentages. You can only react to what is reality.

(08-14-2014 07:12 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  The riots are a sign of things to come. When our economy collapses and the food stamps stop, the Obama phones quit working and all the government freebies go away, you'll see this in every major city. Obama has secret concentration camps for civil unrest ready for roll out. He has marshal law ready to go. We are one step closer to seeing them.

You are talking about the collapse of socialism. Somehow, capitalist will survive and thrive, they always do.

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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Uhmm... no Arrests should be related to the criminal activity. Nothing more, nothing less.

If i have a room of 8 men and 2 women and the two women commit a crime and 2 men do, should my arrest rate be one man and one woman? Cause that's an 80/20 population with an arrest rate of 50/50. So by your argument, that wrong.. I should arrest all 8 men to insure an 8/2 ratio?

Of if i Only arrest 1 woman, then i must arrest 4 men, even though only 2 men were guilty?

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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It takes a willful suspension of disbelief to think like you.

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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This is the type of reasoning someone who believes in equal outcome instead of equal opportunity uses.


What happens when the arrest rate is already at or slighty above 60% and crime is still be committed? Are those people just given a pass because of their race?

(08-14-2014 06:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

No. What a silly, stupid idea. Arrests should be proportional to crimes committed.

Not when a goal of society is equality of outcomes.

Once again, I'm not saying the stops should be exactly the same. However, a 20 -30 percent difference is significant.

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Fit, then you better retract this statement: "Arrests should be similar to population.".

I meant stops. Arrests in Ferguson are actually closer to 95 percent.

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Actually, I'm opposed to police performing ANY stops without probable cause. (Lane Weaving, failure to signal, speeding, etc.). But then again, I'm opposed to DUI checkpoints that Missouri and St. Louis County implement.

Ironically though (and I don't know how they come up with this number or what it means), Ferguson had one of the lowest "stop rates" in any Missouri police district for black or whites. (They said the black stop rate was 1.35 (State average was 1.8) and white stop rate was .37 (State average was .65 or so.). I have no clue what those numbers actually mean in terms of stops and what it's in relation to.

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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You're absolutely right.. Affirmative Action should step in and say, hey you need to arrest more of this ethnicity to make things even.. I know there's no people of this ethnicity on the police, but go into the community and hire a few..

Do you even think before you speak or do you wander around mumbling like a 90 year old man all the time?

(08-14-2014 08:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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You're absolutely right.. Affirmative Action should step in and say, hey you need to arrest more of this ethnicity to make things even.. I know there's no people of this ethnicity on the police, but go into the community and hire a few..

Do you even think before you speak or do you wander around mumbling like a 90 year old man all the time?

No, he doesn't. He is delusional.

That's right I'm delusional. Except for the fact that I posted the information from police records and you guys are just talking out of your AZ

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(08-14-2014 09:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's right I'm delusional. Except for the fact that I posted the information from police records and you guys are just talking out of your AZ

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It's basic math.. But I noticed you overlooked my factoid bout the town I live in because it doesn't line up with your agenda. But that's ok.

Man, heard journalists/aldermans were getting arrested yesterday.....police even gassing reporters as they were setting up for a live shot. Argue all you want about how this situation all started, but this right now is kinda scary.

(08-14-2014 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's right I'm delusional. Except for the fact that I posted the information from police records and you guys are just talking out of your AZ

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It's basic math.. But I noticed you overlooked my factoid bout the town I live in because it doesn't line up with your agenda. But that's ok.

If there is something wrong with the math, take it up with the police department, it's their data.

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(08-14-2014 09:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That's right I'm delusional. Except for the fact that I posted the information from police records and you guys are just talking out of your AZ

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It's basic math.. But I noticed you overlooked my factoid bout the town I live in because it doesn't line up with your agenda. But that's ok.

If there is something wrong with the math, take it up with the police department, it's their data.

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**Takes a deep breath**

If 67% of the population (that's 2/3) is say black and the other third is made up of white and other ethnicities, and for 80% of the crime the offenders seem to be the ethnicity that is the majority, don't that make better sense than the 37%.. Did I use too big of words for you? Were the numbers too big for you?

You want the numbers to skew the way you think is correct, maybe get your a$$ in uniform and make the world a better place.

(08-13-2014 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Because unarmed black people don't get shot in the Hamptons

This man


Shot this woman in the face


and beat this man



with the same shotgun until it bent out of shape. And he did it in front of their own children. His sentence got reduced from murder to manslaughter. Both white devils were unarmed, and not a word outside of local coverage here, and it's just a 60 second piece here and there.

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

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So you're in favor of racial profiling?

(08-14-2014 07:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 10:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  SMN you are missing the point. Arrests should be similar to population. If their are 60 percent black then the arrests should be similar. Not 80 percent.

People who grow up in poorer, rougher neighborhoods - oftentimes with absent parents - are more likely to commit violent crimes. And the percentage of black people who fit this profile is higher than for other ethnic demographics.

It might be un-PC to say, but it's fact.

It's not that I disagree that there are some racist white cops out there that fan the flames of the problem. But you can't force-fit arrest percentages to perfectly match demographic percentages. You can only react to what is reality.

Actually, whites are more likely to be involved with violent crimes

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...s/table-43

I don't think the issue is race, though. The issue is should some of these people carrying guns be allowed to even carry a gun, much less be in law enforcement.

In El Paso, we just recently had a police officer shoot and kill a man who was in handcuffs at the El Paso county jail. Surprisingly, the officer was never indicted.