(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

So homosexuality is a choice?

(11-19-2013 01:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

So homosexuality is a choice?

All homosexuality is a choice.

Unless you get raped.

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

But nobody chooses to whom they're attracted.

(11-19-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

But nobody chooses to whom they're attracted.

True.

One may be born to an attraction to people of the same sex. However, these people still choose to be in a homosexual relationship or not.

In my opinion. You aren't a homosexual until you choose to engage in homosexual activity.

(11-19-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

But nobody chooses to whom they're attracted.

Yes they do. And plenty of unattractive people get married based upon more than physical appearance.

(11-19-2013 02:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

But nobody chooses to whom they're attracted.

Yes they do. And plenty of unattractive people get married based upon more than physical appearance.

It was mighty big of you to choose to be straight. I am looking forward to reading all about it in your new book "My Humility & How I Attained It"

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

(11-19-2013 02:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?

But nobody chooses to whom they're attracted.

Yes they do. And plenty of unattractive people get married based upon more than physical appearance.

No, they don't. When's the last time you looked at someone and said, "That person may or may not be attractive. Let me think on it."?

(11-19-2013 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

Social pressure from who? He was ostracized by damn near everybody.

(11-19-2013 02:17 PM)Smaug Wrote:  No, they don't. When's the last time you looked at someone and said, "That person may or may not be attractive. Let me think on it."?

I think it is very possible to become attracted to someone over time as opposed to having an instant "me likey."

I am old and old school......
What two grown consenting adults do behind closed doors is there business.
Having said that:
When a man looks at a woman and becomes aroused, I can relate to that.
When a man looks at a man and becomes aroused, I can not grasp that concept.
Call me whatever name you want but I can not understand it anymore than I can
grasp other "things" that sexually arouse someone.
When someone gets aroused through rape, incest, children, pain, shoot even animals....
I do not grasp that either.....The idea that everyone needs to accept what sexually
arouses another person is beyond me....
Like I said, if you are consenting adults, I don't care. Do whatever you please.
You don't have to seek others approval of your behavior.

(11-19-2013 02:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:17 PM)Smaug Wrote:  No, they don't. When's the last time you looked at someone and said, "That person may or may not be attractive. Let me think on it."?

I think it is very possible to become attracted to someone over time as opposed to having an instant "me likey."

Sure, but the initial animal attraction isn't voluntary.

My views on sexuality are just an opinion. I think that many people are naturally bisexual (to some degree), but are socialized to be disgusted by the same sex while growing up. Alfred Kinsey studied sexuality at a time when homosexuality was much less tolerated, and found far higher rates of homosexual experiences coming from men who reported being straight. He also developed a scale that defined sexuality as a spectrum rather than two or three concrete states.

(11-19-2013 02:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

Social pressure from who? He was ostracized by damn near everybody.

Maybe there was a group of homosexualists at school willing to except him while his parents wouldn't, he wasn't smart enough to hang with the nerds, and it was clear the cool kids weren't going to accept him. So if he was ostracized anyway, the only difference being "gay" is there is now a group willing to accept him despite being ostracized.

The liberal meme is that homosexuality is not a choice and that it can't be cured by prayer.

So how do they reconcile Bill deBlasio's wife? Did she change teams, as Elaine Benes wondered, or was she cured?

(11-19-2013 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

Social pressure from who? He was ostracized by damn near everybody.

Maybe there was a group of homosexualists at school willing to except him while his parents wouldn't, he wasn't smart enough to hang with the nerds, and it was clear the cool kids weren't going to accept him. So if he was ostracized anyway, the only difference being "gay" is there is now a group willing to accept him despite being ostracized.

the first problem with your post is that nerd =/= smart. The second problem is that there aren't cohesive groups of "homosexualists" roaming high school halls. Maybe there are if you think Glee is a documentary. Gay usually hide the fact that they are from anyone but their closest friends, so your social pressure argument doesn't really make sense.

I've known a few gay men and women in my life.

My experience has been that almost all gay men I know are gay and have been gay for a long time. But most of the gay women I know were straight, had a really bad experience with a guy, and changed sides.

This is only personal experience, and it's purely anecdotal, and my sample size is way to small to extrapolate. But I'm wondering if others have noticed similar things.

(11-19-2013 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

Social pressure from who? He was ostracized by damn near everybody.

Maybe there was a group of homosexualists at school willing to except him while his parents wouldn't, he wasn't smart enough to hang with the nerds, and it was clear the cool kids weren't going to accept him. So if he was ostracized anyway, the only difference being "gay" is there is now a group willing to accept him despite being ostracized.

So, why was he ostracized in the first place?

And he got along with his parents until he came out of the closet.

(11-19-2013 02:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But most of the gay women I know were straight, had a really bad experience with a guy, and changed sides.

I agree 100%. I have two divorced women friends who have made it clear they are looking to bat for the other side for a while.

Don't forget LUGS. Lesbian Until Graduation. Luckily, I knew a few at NIU but now they are all married to men and have kids, at least according to Facebook. However, one girl I dated in HS is now married to a women, adopted two kids from Africa, and works as a some sort of militant librarian.

I wonder what of the above was because of me?

(11-19-2013 02:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

Social pressure. You would think one would not choose to be a white supremacist either given the societal shunning of them, yet properly mixed environmental factors and upbringing still lead some people to make that choice.

Social pressure from who? He was ostracized by damn near everybody.

Maybe there was a group of homosexualists at school willing to except him while his parents wouldn't, he wasn't smart enough to hang with the nerds, and it was clear the cool kids weren't going to accept him. So if he was ostracized anyway, the only difference being "gay" is there is now a group willing to accept him despite being ostracized.

So, why was he ostracized in the first place?

And he got along with his parents until he came out of the closet.

I don't know. I don't know him and frankly, am not interested in trying to answer individual anecdotes. I believe people choose to live socially undesirable lifestyles. Nerds aren't born that way, white supremacists aren't born that way, cult members aren't born that way, witches aren't born that way, and homosexualists aren't born that way. They all choose these lifestyles despite the fact they are undesirable to most people, and as homosexualism becomes a more desirable alternative, more will choose it. It is already happening, walk through any mall, amusement park, or movie theatre. I bet the percentage of gay males under the age of 21 is approaching 20% and I live in a pretty conservative city socially.