I think so as science is most definetly to the contrary.

No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

Please explain the scientific reasons specifically. Thank you.

(11-19-2013 01:28 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  I think so as science is most definetly to the contrary.

No...

The left loves to say the science is settled but there are people who move from one sexuality to another.

My belief system has zero to do anyone else's belief system. I have been married to the same woman for well over 30 years but consenting adults in a free society can do as they please and it has little to no impact in my life.
Kind of like the prayer in school issue. We pray at home, work, church, school, interstate... but I have no qualms with a moment of silence (which is more than we got back in the day)

(11-19-2013 01:31 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:28 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  I think so as science is most definetly to the contrary.

No...

The left loves to say the science is settled but there are people who move from one sexuality to another.

We believe in individual freedom

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

I just asked myself a simple question: What day did I make the conscious decision to find girls attractive.

My answer (and I bet most straight people's: I didn't. I just knew that Suzanne McG across the street interested me in a way her brother Jeff didn't.

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

I honestly believe that homosexuality is due to both nature and nurture. The spectrum of human sexuality is too broad and too complex to chalk it up to being either a choice or a trait. If homosexuality is a trait then is bisexuality a trait or a choice? The issue is just too complex for one worded answers.

The act and the mental state are seperate and distinct from one another in my mind.

I'm not here to tell people whom to have sex with or whom they should love.

That said, it's an evolutionary dead-end and as such doesn't contribute to the furtherance of our species which is the outright natural goal of all animals. Due to that I don't support it in any of the current political contexts but I have no problem with what people choose to do in their own beds or whatever else.

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

nobody?

(11-19-2013 01:34 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  My belief system has zero to do anyone else's belief system. I have been married to the same woman for well over 30 years but consenting adults in a free society can do as they please and it has little to no impact in my life.
Kind of like the prayer in school issue. We pray at home, work, church, school, interstate... but I have no qualms with a moment of silence (which is more than we got back in the day)

(11-19-2013 01:35 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:31 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:28 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  I think so as science is most definetly to the contrary.

No...

The left loves to say the science is settled but there are people who move from one sexuality to another.

We believe in individual freedom

The individual freedom thing kind of contradicts the notion of government forced health insurance.

(11-19-2013 01:38 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I just asked myself a simple question: What day did I make the conscious decision to find girls attractive.

My answer (and I bet most straight people's: I didn't. I just knew that Suzanne McG across the street interested me in a way her brother Jeff didn't.

I agree but religion is a powerful thing so i dont blame these pósters for believing what they do.

(11-19-2013 01:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:37 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  No. I'm an atheist and still think homosexuality is a choice, just look at prisons.

What are some of your favorite aspects of the atheist religion. I know i have considered it b/c you dont have waste your sundays at church and the fact that I love lattes helps too i suppose.

Preference is hard Wired in your brain. So you are saying If you felt like it you could make yourselves get turned on by dudes?

What I'm saying is who would be gay if they didn't want to be?

To turn your question around, who would want to be gay, if they had the option?

I used to work with a gay man. He told me, "Why would anybody choose this? I barely made it through high school alive, I've been threatened and actually beaten up. My parents won't talk to me. My brother-in-law has threatened me. I drink too much and I'm being treated for depression."

It was difficult to argue.

(11-19-2013 01:45 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:38 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I just asked myself a simple question: What day did I make the conscious decision to find girls attractive.

My answer (and I bet most straight people's: I didn't. I just knew that Suzanne McG across the street interested me in a way her brother Jeff didn't.

I agree but religion is a powerful thing so i dont blame these pósters for believing what they do.

Religion may apply to some posters, but not all. I'm sure there are some very religious people out there who are gay, I think the Catholic church is grappling with some of their priests gumming up the works.

As an atheist I find myself jealous at the comfort that religion can bring people in difficult circumstances.

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  As an atheist I find myself jealous at the comfort that religion can bring people in difficult circumstances.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion without fear of persecution

(11-19-2013 01:45 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:38 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I just asked myself a simple question: What day did I make the conscious decision to find girls attractive.

My answer (and I bet most straight people's: I didn't. I just knew that Suzanne McG across the street interested me in a way her brother Jeff didn't.

I agree but religion is a powerful thing so i dont blame these pósters for believing what they do.

I'm a southern Baptist who reads his Bible AND the Constitution.

If it's a choice, and a sin, then God will settle up with them in due time, just like He's going to do the rest of us. Meantime, it's a question of fundamental fairness.

I got mine. You got yours. Why can't they have theirs?

There just isn't a good answer to that question.

(11-19-2013 01:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  As an atheist I find myself jealous at the comfort that religion can bring people in difficult circumstances.

Same here. I think that comfort is something all humans crave, which is why early religions had gods and that line of thinking continues up to today. I will also say that some of the most religious people are incapable of doing something for their own good because their religion forbids it. My mom is a case in point.

It's a matter of common sense.

Everyone chooses who they want to have sex with.

Why should it be different with homosexuals?