Ben Bryant has 2 years eligibility left.
Evan Prater 2020 he Redshirted but could he treat it as Covid year. Did UC make a mistake in playing him in 5 games in 2021? If he had played only 4 games could 2021 have been a Redshirt year thus leaving him with 4 years?
Two years backing up Bryant and then two years to start or backup Luther Richesson?
Just hit Portal ****
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(02-03-2022 08:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Technically celebrating the 2021 team, but pretty cool none the less:
City of Cinti honors Luke Fickell, UC Bearcats for recent achievements
Nice gesture.
Was there ever a celebration or recognition on Fountain Square for this team's undefeated season and CFP bid? That was long before the Bengals' ascended to the Super Bowl and UC football was the biggest "feel good" story of '21 in our city's often beleaguered recent sports history.
If not, it should be done in the '22 preseason. Further, let's hope UC and the city have plans to collaborate before the first Big 12 game for some hoopla. Utility pole banners downtown and uptown; a celebration on the Square or at The Banks, mayor's proclamation, etc. This will truly be BIG for the city from an economic standpoint--increased visiting fans in hotels and restaurants and higher visibility games for our community. For the first time, Ohio will have two power conference teams. That still feels good to type and say.
(02-05-2022 09:19 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022 08:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Technically celebrating the 2021 team, but pretty cool none the less:
City of Cinti honors Luke Fickell, UC Bearcats for recent achievements
Nice gesture.
Was there ever a celebration or recognition on Fountain Square for this team's undefeated season and CFP bid? That was long before the Bengals' ascended to the Super Bowl and UC football was the biggest "feel good" story of '21 in our city's often beleaguered recent sports history.
If not, it should be done in the '22 preseason. Further, let's hope UC and the city have plans to collaborate before the first Big 12 game for some hoopla. Utility pole banners downtown and uptown; a celebration on the Square or at The Banks, mayor's proclamation, etc. This will truly be BIG for the city from an economic standpoint--increased visiting fans in hotels and restaurants and higher visibility games for our community. For the first time, Ohio will have two power conference teams. That still feels good to type and say.
Maybe a celebration at a REDS game.
(02-05-2022 09:19 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022 08:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Technically celebrating the 2021 team, but pretty cool none the less:
City of Cinti honors Luke Fickell, UC Bearcats for recent achievements
Nice gesture.
Was there ever a celebration or recognition on Fountain Square for this team's undefeated season and CFP bid? That was long before the Bengals' ascended to the Super Bowl and UC football was the biggest "feel good" story of '21 in our city's often beleaguered recent sports history.
If not, it should be done in the '22 preseason. Further, let's hope UC and the city have plans to collaborate before the first Big 12 game for some hoopla. Utility pole banners downtown and uptown; a celebration on the Square or at The Banks, mayor's proclamation, etc. This will truly be BIG for the city from an economic standpoint--increased visiting fans in hotels and restaurants and higher visibility games for our community. For the first time, Ohio will have two power conference teams. That still feels good to type and say.
You didn’t consider the Big East a power conference?
(02-08-2022 12:28 PM)cincy7718 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2022 09:19 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022 08:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Technically celebrating the 2021 team, but pretty cool none the less:
City of Cinti honors Luke Fickell, UC Bearcats for recent achievements
Nice gesture.
Was there ever a celebration or recognition on Fountain Square for this team's undefeated season and CFP bid? That was long before the Bengals' ascended to the Super Bowl and UC football was the biggest "feel good" story of '21 in our city's often beleaguered recent sports history.
If not, it should be done in the '22 preseason. Further, let's hope UC and the city have plans to collaborate before the first Big 12 game for some hoopla. Utility pole banners downtown and uptown; a celebration on the Square or at The Banks, mayor's proclamation, etc. This will truly be BIG for the city from an economic standpoint--increased visiting fans in hotels and restaurants and higher visibility games for our community. For the first time, Ohio will have two power conference teams. That still feels good to type and say.
You didn’t consider the Big East a power conference?
The old Big East was a "BCS 6" conference but the label "P5" didn't exist when the Big East imploded and has really only been used in reference to those five remaining "power" conferences.
Conceptually though I agree; UC was the only other Ohio school with access to those BCS bowls during those few years when there was no playoff. So, UC's status was elevated considerably at that time but I expect the divide between P5 and G5 will only grow in the coming decade.
The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
(02-08-2022 03:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
I don't buy this. It will be every bit as good as the ACC and PAC 12 and will be treated similarly.
No doubt the SEC and Big 10 are a different animal.
(02-05-2022 01:29 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2022 09:19 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022 08:38 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Technically celebrating the 2021 team, but pretty cool none the less:
City of Cinti honors Luke Fickell, UC Bearcats for recent achievements
Nice gesture.
Was there ever a celebration or recognition on Fountain Square for this team's undefeated season and CFP bid? That was long before the Bengals' ascended to the Super Bowl and UC football was the biggest "feel good" story of '21 in our city's often beleaguered recent sports history.
If not, it should be done in the '22 preseason. Further, let's hope UC and the city have plans to collaborate before the first Big 12 game for some hoopla. Utility pole banners downtown and uptown; a celebration on the Square or at The Banks, mayor's proclamation, etc. This will truly be BIG for the city from an economic standpoint--increased visiting fans in hotels and restaurants and higher visibility games for our community. For the first time, Ohio will have two power conference teams. That still feels good to type and say.
Maybe a celebration at a REDS game.
you'd like a few more people there......
(02-08-2022 03:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
Don't agree. The Big East was scoffed at in most circles, especially in football. The old Big East was tough from about 1-11, but there were a couple really bad programs making up 12-16. There might only be 1-2 weak sisters in hoops in this new conference (and unless we figure things out one of them could be us).
The downside to the new BXII will be be no blue blood in FB. In actuality, it will probably be a tougher conference than the ACC and PAC12. Aside for Kansas, I see no schools that will constantly be sub .500.
(02-08-2022 05:35 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022 03:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
Don't agree. The Big East was scoffed at in most circles, especially in football. The old Big East was tough from about 1-11, but there were a couple really bad programs making up 12-16. There might only be 1-2 weak sisters in hoops in this new conference (and unless we figure things out one of them could be us).
The downside to the new BXII will be be no blue blood in FB. In actuality, it will probably be a tougher conference than the ACC and PAC12. Aside for Kansas, I see no schools that will constantly be sub .500.
It would be presumptuous to suggest the Bearcats could be that lead dog in football but I also don't think we've seen Fickell's ceiling yet. His recruiting has been extraordinary and done mostly as a G5 program banging heads in Ohio with the B10 and SEC. Substitute "P" for "G" in his recipe and watch the four stars roll in.
I agree the Big 12 is very solid in football but lacks a bell cow. If Clemson regresses to their historic norm, this will be a
better football conference than the ACC hands down. If the alliance proves to be anything more than window dressing, I fully expect the Big 12 and SEC to follow with a scheduling agreement of their own that will create some great made for TV games.
If Riley gets USC back to being a dominant program, that will tick the Pac12 up a notch as far as a national perception of being a good conference (like Clemson did for the ACC), but IMO the Big 12 will be better top to bottom without that bell cow.
SP+ projections have UC 11th next year. For what it is worth, that's UC's highest preseason projection from SP+ ever.
(02-09-2022 10:56 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022 05:35 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022 03:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
Don't agree. The Big East was scoffed at in most circles, especially in football. The old Big East was tough from about 1-11, but there were a couple really bad programs making up 12-16. There might only be 1-2 weak sisters in hoops in this new conference (and unless we figure things out one of them could be us).
The downside to the new BXII will be be no blue blood in FB. In actuality, it will probably be a tougher conference than the ACC and PAC12. Aside for Kansas, I see no schools that will constantly be sub .500.
It would be presumptuous to suggest the Bearcats could be that lead dog in football but I also don't think we've seen Fickell's ceiling yet. His recruiting has been extraordinary and done mostly as a G5 program banging heads in Ohio with the B10 and SEC. Substitute "P" for "G" in his recipe and watch the four stars roll in.
I agree the Big 12 is very solid in football but lacks a bell cow. If Clemson regresses to their historic norm, this will be a better football conference than the ACC hands down. If the alliance proves to be anything more than window dressing, I fully expect the Big 12 and SEC to follow with a scheduling agreement of their own that will create some great made for TV games.
Clemson's historic norm in what era?
Clemson is 14th on the all-time wins list. 14th on the number of times in the final AP poll. 11th in # of bowl victories.
They were mediocre from 1960-1975, but I wouldn't call that their "historic norm" anymore than the 1990s was Alabama's historic norm.
Clemson's 1981 national title wasn't a fluke: they beat 3 top-10 teams that year and were #1 in every major polling system. And 7 years in the 1980s they finished top-12.
(02-09-2022 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2022 10:56 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022 05:35 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022 03:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was more of a power conference than the new Big 12 will be.
The Big East was 1/2 a step behind 5 relatively equal conferences. After 2025, the Big 12 will be 2 giant steps behind the SEC and Big Ten. And similar to the Big East, it will lag a half step behind the ACC & PAC according to the media merely because it lacks a juggernaut program (regardless of results on the field).
Don't agree. The Big East was scoffed at in most circles, especially in football. The old Big East was tough from about 1-11, but there were a couple really bad programs making up 12-16. There might only be 1-2 weak sisters in hoops in this new conference (and unless we figure things out one of them could be us).
The downside to the new BXII will be be no blue blood in FB. In actuality, it will probably be a tougher conference than the ACC and PAC12. Aside for Kansas, I see no schools that will constantly be sub .500.
It would be presumptuous to suggest the Bearcats could be that lead dog in football but I also don't think we've seen Fickell's ceiling yet. His recruiting has been extraordinary and done mostly as a G5 program banging heads in Ohio with the B10 and SEC. Substitute "P" for "G" in his recipe and watch the four stars roll in.
I agree the Big 12 is very solid in football but lacks a bell cow. If Clemson regresses to their historic norm, this will be a better football conference than the ACC hands down. If the alliance proves to be anything more than window dressing, I fully expect the Big 12 and SEC to follow with a scheduling agreement of their own that will create some great made for TV games.
Clemson's historic norm in what era?
Clemson is 14th on the all-time wins list. 14th on the number of times in the final AP poll. 11th in # of bowl victories.
They were mediocre from 1960-1975, but I wouldn't call that their "historic norm" anymore than the 1990s was Alabama's historic norm.
Clemson's 1981 national title wasn't a fluke: they beat 3 top-10 teams that year and were #1 in every major polling system. And 7 years in the 1980s they finished top-12.
You are correct in terms of their overall success. I think what he was saying is that Clemson has been off the charts good the past decade, consistently racking up 13+ win seasons and winning the conference every year. For many years in the 1990s and first decade on the 2000s, Clemson had the reputation of doing less with more- often losing a game or two they had no business to and finishing with 7-9 wins.
(02-09-2022 12:15 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]You are correct in terms of their overall success. I think what he was saying is that Clemson has been off the charts good the past decade, consistently racking up 13+ win seasons and winning the conference every year. For many years in the 1990s and first decade on the 2000s, Clemson had the reputation of doing less with more- often losing a game or two they had no business to and finishing with 7-9 wins.
Both are true. Clemson has a great tradition and they've been preforming well above that high standard for a long time. They've been the #2 program in in the country the last decade. I do think it's going to be interesting in the next couple years as Clemson has faced the first crack in that run and lost their long time defensive mastermind. If they're going to fall out to that top 5 NFL factory group with Bama, UGA, etc it's going to be now. Also wonder if UGA's ascendance is a factor since they're very geographically similar.
(02-09-2022 01:06 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2022 12:15 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]You are correct in terms of their overall success. I think what he was saying is that Clemson has been off the charts good the past decade, consistently racking up 13+ win seasons and winning the conference every year. For many years in the 1990s and first decade on the 2000s, Clemson had the reputation of doing less with more- often losing a game or two they had no business to and finishing with 7-9 wins.
Both are true. Clemson has a great tradition and they've been preforming well above that high standard for a long time. They've been the #2 program in in the country the last decade. I do think it's going to be interesting in the next couple years as Clemson has faced the first crack in that run and lost their long time defensive mastermind. If they're going to fall out to that top 5 NFL factory group with Bama, UGA, etc it's going to be now. Also wonder if UGA's ascendance is a factor since they're very geographically similar.
Bolded, agreed and no offense meant to Clemson's tradition, which has been really good. My only point was, if the Tigers aren't elite, and they weren't in '21, the conference football profile suffers just as the Pac 12 profile has with USC out of the spotlight.
Florida State and Miami were traditional ACC power brands but have been living more on history than current competitive performance for a decade or more.
Miami’s wealthy alumni have backed up the Brinks truck this off-season. I know it is something that is a punch-line to a joke, but the U Might finally be back in a year or two. They hired Clemson’s AD, Michigan’s OC who was many pegged as Harbaugh’s eventual replacement, hired Kevin Steele as DC and have taken a bunch of other hot position coaches in. Plus the NIL money is flowing.
