(09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 05:22 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead. 
You make some great points. However Matt Brown has been accurate a high amount of times. Arkstate fan also gave some reasons most were unaware of.
CUSA western schools are closer to some MWC schools than CUSA. Tulsa and the CUSA TX schools should all be in the MWC. What I dont get is this... the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
You're right. They'd be foolish to join the AAC.
(09-21-2021 04:23 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 05:22 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead.
You make some great points. However Matt Brown has been accurate a high amount of times. Arkstate fan also gave some reasons most were unaware of.
CUSA western schools are closer to some MWC schools than CUSA. Tulsa and the CUSA TX schools should all be in the MWC. What I dont get is this... the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
You're right. They'd be foolish to join the AAC.
Maybe ESPN is offering more money than Fox or CBS .
(09-21-2021 05:00 PM)First Family Forever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 04:23 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
You're right. They'd be foolish to join the AAC.
Maybe ESPN is offering more money than Fox or CBS.
Money is and will be a huge factor in all this, of course.
Another thing, which I admit I can’t confirm and don’t have the details, even if it’s true. But reportedly, the money the MWC makes from media partners is not distributed among MWC members on an even-shares basis. Instead, it’s slanted to give teams more $$$ based on how often their games get picked up for TV. In practice, this gives Boise State more $$$ than the others.
If that’s true, you can be sure other members are resentful.
(09-20-2021 01:27 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What about urban and rural divisions?
MetroPCS: ODU, UNCC, UAB, FAU, FIU
Cricket: Marshall, So Miss, LA Tech, MTSU, WKU
This guy knows his prepaid
The longer this process takes for the AAC the more it favors the MWC. When news broke on the 4 schools potentially joining the Big 12, they had invites in hand a week later.
Aresco shot his shot 5 days ago and its been quite since then. I think the MWC plan has fallen through the cracks and Aresco is trying to salvage something together to save face.
(09-21-2021 05:41 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote: [ -> ]The longer this process takes for the AAC the more it favors the MWC.
True.
Quote:I think the MWC plan has fallen through the cracks and Aresco is trying to salvage something together to save face.
Could be. I do think one aspect of this is that Aresco wants to announce everything all at once, and not have to go through the drama over and over again for each school. So you could have a situation where 2 or 3 schools have essentially agreed to make jump — and honestly, I would put UAB in that category — but are keeping mum for a few days (say, until October 1) and waiting for Aresco/ESPN to (supposedly) wrap this up. Of course, whether he will or can do that, remains to be seen.
(09-21-2021 05:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 05:00 PM)First Family Forever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 04:23 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
You're right. They'd be foolish to join the AAC.
Maybe ESPN is offering more money than Fox or CBS.
Money is and will be a huge factor in all this, of course.
Another thing, which I admit I can’t confirm and don’t have the details, even if it’s true. But reportedly, the money the MWC makes from media partners is not distributed among MWC members on an even-shares basis. Instead, it’s slanted to give teams more $$$ based on how often their games get picked up for TV. In practice, this gives Boise State more $$$ than the others. If that’s true, you can be sure other members are resentful.
This is true. Or confirmed. Or correct. You get the idea...
We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
(09-21-2021 09:03 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 05:41 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote: [ -> ]The longer this process takes for the AAC the more it favors the MWC.
True.
Quote:I think the MWC plan has fallen through the cracks and Aresco is trying to salvage something together to save face.
Could be. I do think one aspect of this is that Aresco wants to announce everything all at once, and not have to go through the drama over and over again for each school. So you could have a situation where 2 or 3 schools have essentially agreed to make jump — and honestly, I would put UAB in that category — but are keeping mum for a few days (say, until October 1) and waiting for Aresco/ESPN to (supposedly) wrap this up. Of course, whether he will or can do that, remains to be seen.
October 2nd is the day UAB opens its new stadium. Whose attending that game will be interesting
Yes your replacement-- LIBERTY-- will be attending. I will still root for UAB to win though-- as I will as long as they are in this league. GO BLAZERS!
(09-21-2021 10:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
(09-21-2021 11:20 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 10:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.
(09-21-2021 05:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 05:00 PM)First Family Forever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 04:23 PM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
You're right. They'd be foolish to join the AAC.
Maybe ESPN is offering more money than Fox or CBS.
Money is and will be a huge factor in all this, of course.
Another thing, which I admit I can’t confirm and don’t have the details, even if it’s true. But reportedly, the money the MWC makes from media partners is not distributed among MWC members on an even-shares basis. Instead, it’s slanted to give teams more $$$ based on how often their games get picked up for TV. In practice, this gives Boise State more $$$ than the others. If that’s true, you can be sure other members are resentful.
Basically Boise gets a little more from the pie than everyone else. But understand Boise is the reason why the other schools are getting what they currently get. So resentful or not it's not a bad deal all around. But Boise is not happy that little deal ends after this season and it will be evenly distributed among all members going forward.
Just like the Big 12 will eventually be better off without Texas, the MWC will be better off without Boise. Take a little ding money wise but there are several schools that are capable of carrying the mantle in lieu of Boise eventually leaving the conference. Fresno, Utah St, Nevada, Wyoming, and now even San Jose St have been good over the last few years at one point or consistently good.
The Big XII doesn't distribute evenly either. They have a multi-level tier system. The Texas Tech AD, speaking just after the TX/OK announcement state that Baylor had just won a national championship, yet were a Tier 3 school when it comes to conference payout.
(09-22-2021 07:48 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 11:20 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 10:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.
Yeah, you can think that if you want, but when you look at the amount of games selected by the media outlets then you will see the truth.
(09-22-2021 10:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 07:48 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 11:20 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 10:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.
Yeah, you can think that if you want, but when you look at the amount of games selected by the media outlets then you will see the truth.
Do you honestly think Marshall is even close to that level in CUSA? Lets not forget CBSSN also carries CUSA basketball. I know over the past few years CBSSN picks for TV, no one in this conference is close to Western in the number of basketball games.
While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...
common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.
In my opinion its really not the "Brand" its the fact Marshall has been picked 1st in most pre-seasons and the same goes for Western's basketball. That's usually the case for Boise St also but they are also usually ranked which carries the name nationally and that adds DOLLARS to their name. Not the case for Marshall or Western.
(09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 10:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 07:48 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 11:20 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 10:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]We should be doing the same thing in CUSA in terms of distributing our media revenue based on the games that get picked up.
C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.
Yeah, you can think that if you want, but when you look at the amount of games selected by the media outlets then you will see the truth.
Do you honestly think Marshall is even close to that level in CUSA? Lets not forget CBSSN also carries CUSA basketball. I know over the past few years CBSSN picks for TV, no one in this conference is close to Western in the number of basketball games.
While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...
common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.
In my opinion its really not the "Brand" its the fact Marshall has been picked 1st in most pre-seasons and the same goes for Western's basketball. That's usually the case for Boise St also but they are also usually ranked which carries the name nationally and that adds DOLLARS to their name. Not the case for Marshall or Western.
Yeah...and WKU is by far the most valuable basketball brand in the conference. That is not debatable and once again proven by exactly what you have stated above.
CBS Sports gets first picks period. Facebook games are chosen before Stadium just as Stadium games are chosen before ESPN+.
Yes, I do believe Marshall is by far the most valuable football brand and that is proven the same way it's proven that WKU is the most valuable basketball brand. We can all sit here and try to debate, but the tv executives who actually make their money based off of the selections tell us all we need to know.
As for Boise, Marshall has better TV ratings than Boise so if you think so highly of their brand value then I will take that as a compliment as a Marshall fan.
(09-22-2021 12:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 10:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2021 07:48 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2021 11:20 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ]C-USA doesn't need more reasons for schools to be resentful of one another. Everyone but Boise hates the deal they have with the MWC. A tide raises all boats and all that.
And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.
Yeah, you can think that if you want, but when you look at the amount of games selected by the media outlets then you will see the truth.
Do you honestly think Marshall is even close to that level in CUSA? Lets not forget CBSSN also carries CUSA basketball. I know over the past few years CBSSN picks for TV, no one in this conference is close to Western in the number of basketball games.
While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...
common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.
In my opinion its really not the "Brand" its the fact Marshall has been picked 1st in most pre-seasons and the same goes for Western's basketball. That's usually the case for Boise St also but they are also usually ranked which carries the name nationally and that adds DOLLARS to their name. Not the case for Marshall or Western.
Yeah...and WKU is by far the most valuable basketball brand in the conference. That is not debatable and once again proven by exactly what you have stated above.
CBS Sports gets first picks period. Facebook games are chosen before Stadium just as Stadium games are chosen before ESPN+.
Yes, I do believe Marshall is by far the most valuable football brand and that is proven the same way it's proven that WKU is the most valuable basketball brand. We can all sit here and try to debate, but the tv executives who actually make their money based off of the selections tell us all we need to know.
As for Boise, Marshall has better TV ratings than Boise so if you think so highly of their brand value then I will take that as a compliment as a Marshall fan.
Once again I'm going to ask you for the link? I'm not saying that's not correct but I havent searched for the contract that states that. I assume (from repeatedly said on this board) you or another Marshall fan has and can link it.
Rating can be viewed in different ways. A game being played in the western time zone can have lower number of viewers and still be more valuable than a game shown in the east.
Its one reason espn got behind Zags in basketball and helped to build them into what they are today. If they played in the east espn would not have had the need to do just that. But the west has a lot less "names" and at that time those "names" were sucking it up. So espn needed to fill that void and they did that by paying the Zags for made for TV games.
Without cherry picking games do you care to list the ratings for in season games and their ratings. Comparably on the same network and time. Other words bowl games ratings are subject when they are played. If you day on a day when that bowl game is the only one played and its at a time most fans are off work. The ratings will be higher than if 2 or 3 games are shown that day. Or if the game was mid week and played at 2pm in the afternoon.
Factors being the same matters because if team A is playing on on espn and team B is playing on espn2. The game shown on espn will usually have double the rating and the same goes for espn2 compared to the U. You can carry that over to Fox compared to FS1 and FS2 is their U.
That's what I want to see...data and linked. As many times as this has been repeated surely a Marshall fan has this info and broke it down. I did look over the ratings going back to 2012
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/
The highest rated Marshall in season football game was 463K and that was 2014 Western vs Marshall. Without checking and I havent I believe I could find 10+ Boise St in season games that would double that number.
(09-20-2021 11:17 AM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 10:59 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Don t be surprised if the AAC gets 4 MWC schools. Then the MWC is desperate and tries to add all the CUSA West Texas schools. Not sure they would go but if they do CUSA is in a world of hurt. We already have several CUSA schools who are in the SBC s plans. Do not underestimate ESPN s hand in this
Not true at all. That would actually be ideal. Would leave us at 10 without the 4 Texas schools. Then we change leadership , headquarters etc. And we are good. If uab leaves we add liberty.
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MWC teams already decided once (during a meeting at the airport) they didn't want to be in a conference with Rice or UTEP. Maybe something has changed but I doubt it (at least WRT Rice).