(09-20-2021 01:29 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 12:14 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 11:48 AM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ]Matt Brown seems pretty confident that Air Force and Colorado State will leave the Mountain West. Same for UAB with Conference USA.
https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...05191?s=20
If this happens North Texas is gone for sure as they will be the first called up by the Mountain West.
I agree. For better or worse, I think we are gone. We need a fresh start.
Fresh start? All UNT needs is a new football coach. In basketball, UNT won the CUSA Men's Tournament, and won a 1st round game over Purdue in the NCAA tournament. How does it get any better than THAT in the MWC for UNT?? Hell, LA Tech beat the MWC's best team in the NIT.
MWC without Colorado State, Air Force and in a few years Boise and SDSU has about as much upside as the current CUSA. There is a reason Colorado St and Air Force are even considering AAC and it's because they know Boise and SDSU are as good as gone whenever Big12 figures out OU and UT buyout situation.
(09-20-2021 12:07 PM)ODU1986 Wrote: [ -> ]We want them to take the Texas 4. Then we extend invites to Liberty, JMU, App, Coastal.
East - ODU, JMU, Marshall, App, Charlotte, Coastal
South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, LT, FAU, FIU
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You left Liberty off your East division. Why would we go back to 14?
(09-20-2021 01:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]No hard feelings-- it is just not a good fit anymore.
It was never a good fit TBH, and I get everyone wanting to get more regional. The travel situation in this conference sucks. I just never did get the outright animosity a lot of old school CUSA fans had towards us from the start.
(09-20-2021 01:47 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]No hard feelings-- it is just not a good fit anymore.
It was never a good fit TBH, and I get everyone wanting to get more regional. The travel situation in this conference sucks. I just never did get the outright animosity a lot of old school CUSA fans had towards us from the start.
Agreed, and I have nothing against you all. I actually think UTSA has great long term potential, but I don't want to share a conference with teams in Texas, I don't like being in a conference centered around Texas, I don't like being in a conference that is biased towards Texas, etc.
(09-20-2021 01:42 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]The love for the "Texas 4" in this thread is just so heartwarming!!
UTSA will likely go to the Mountain West with North Texas if Tulsa stays in the AAC. UTEP joined CUSA because there wasn't any other option after the WAC blew up from being shredded by the Mountain West in the last round of realignment that sent 6 WAC teams to the MWC.
UTEP, Tulsa, and Rice were left screwed. SMU was thrown a life line by the Big East. They would have much rather stayed in the WAC. Their entrance into CUSA was a marriage of convenience, and they knew that. Rice is probably close enough to the Louisiana border to be most reasonably accommodated for CUSA if the league can shift east to keep Marshall and Southern Miss.
The league isn't going to kick the Texas schools out. It's possible that Jim Delaney is working to help CUSA schools in Texas get to the Mountain West. If he can convince Thompson to take North Texas, UTSA, and UTEP, the league could stay at 11 or add Liberty and go to 12.
(09-20-2021 01:45 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]MWC without Colorado State, Air Force and in a few years Boise and SDSU has about as much upside as the current CUSA. There is a reason Colorado St and Air Force are even considering AAC and it's because they know Boise and SDSU are as good as gone whenever Big12 figures out OU and UT buyout situation.
I'm pretty sure Boise and San Diego State have little bearing on what AFA and CSU-Fort Collins do.
Actually, it was Arkstfan on the Sun Belt board that spelled out why Air Force is leaving, and he's not wrong. I can vouch for that. CSU-Fort Collins is looking to leave mainly because Air Force wants to leave. As the only other FBS school in Colorado outside of Boulder, they've been tied at the hip.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-929854-page-4.html
Arkstfan Wrote:I don’t think AFA feels loved nor do they feel like MWC is what they signed up for. Utah and BYU were a big part of what they liked when they had the Airport Meeting. Remember the proposal to make WAC16 divisions permanent triggered AFA to declare they’d go Indy first and led to the Airport Meeting. Only AFA, Colorado State, and Wyoming remain from that meeting.
They don’t feel loved with the unbalanced revenue sharing and they don’t feel loved that MWC is today 50% schools that were Big West when they were in the Classic WAC. They sure didn’t like it when MWC briefly floated a 9 game schedule trial ballon without discussing it with them.
I think AFA is unhappy and AAC membership gives them schools they deem academic peers in the form of the privates, the travel isn’t significantly worse and I would think they rightly believe that Colorado State, Wyoming, and New Mexico would follow them to AAC if given the opportunity. Right now it looks like only CSU would get that chance but I don’t think Wyoming, New Mexico or UTEP would say no if offered a slot in a western AAC division.
(09-20-2021 02:24 PM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:42 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]The love for the "Texas 4" in this thread is just so heartwarming!!
UTSA will likely go to the Mountain West with North Texas if Tulsa stays in the AAC. UTEP joined CUSA because there wasn't any other option after the WAC blew up from being shredded by the Mountain West in the last round of realignment that sent 6 WAC teams to the MWC.
UTEP, Tulsa, and Rice were left screwed. They would have much rather stayed in the WAC. Their entrance into CUSA was a marriage of convenience, and they knew that. Rice is probably close enough to the Louisiana border to be most reasonably accommodated for CUSA if the league can shift east to keep Marshall and Southern Miss.
The league isn't going to kick the Texas schools out. It's possible that Jim Delaney is working to help CUSA schools in Texas get to the Mountain West. If he can convince Thompson to take North Texas, UTSA, and UTEP, the league could stay at 11 or add Liberty and go to 12.
UTEP joined the CUSA in 2005 (along with Tulsa, SMU, Rice) after being in the WAC for decades. UTEP would be in the MWC today if they would have stayed put in the WAC. The WAC went on to 4 BCS bowls with Boise obtaining #2 ranking in AP. CUSA had 0 BCS bowls during that time period.
(09-20-2021 02:44 PM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:45 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]MWC without Colorado State, Air Force and in a few years Boise and SDSU has about as much upside as the current CUSA. There is a reason Colorado St and Air Force are even considering AAC and it's because they know Boise and SDSU are as good as gone whenever Big12 figures out OU and UT buyout situation.
I'm pretty sure Boise and San Diego State have little bearing on what AFA and CSU-Fort Collins do.
Actually, it was Arkstfan on the Sun Belt board that spelled out why Air Force is leaving, and he's not wrong. I can vouch for that. CSU-Fort Collins is looking to leave mainly because Air Force wants to leave. As the only other FBS school in Colorado outside of Boulder, they've been tied at the hip.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-929854-page-4.html
Arkstfan Wrote:I don’t think AFA feels loved nor do they feel like MWC is what they signed up for. Utah and BYU were a big part of what they liked when they had the Airport Meeting. Remember the proposal to make WAC16 divisions permanent triggered AFA to declare they’d go Indy first and led to the Airport Meeting. Only AFA, Colorado State, and Wyoming remain from that meeting.
They don’t feel loved with the unbalanced revenue sharing and they don’t feel loved that MWC is today 50% schools that were Big West when they were in the Classic WAC. They sure didn’t like it when MWC briefly floated a 9 game schedule trial ballon without discussing it with them.
I think AFA is unhappy and AAC membership gives them schools they deem academic peers in the form of the privates, the travel isn’t significantly worse and I would think they rightly believe that Colorado State, Wyoming, and New Mexico would follow them to AAC if given the opportunity. Right now it looks like only CSU would get that chance but I don’t think Wyoming, New Mexico or UTEP would say no if offered a slot in a western AAC division.
I don’t see it happening and have yet to see any substantial reports stating that it is true.
Why join a watered down AAC that just lost all it’s best teams (and money makers) Not to mention the uncertainty of TV renegotiation.
5 out 6 NY6 bowl teams just left the AAC not to mention the NCAA credits and their highest TV viewership.
Their closest AAC opponent is SMU or Tulsa might as well being ECU, While the MWC has New Mexico and Wyoming on the front range.
Makes zero sense for little more money. Highly unlikely
AFA and CSU could be using this as leverage with the MWC
(09-20-2021 02:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 02:24 PM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:42 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]The love for the "Texas 4" in this thread is just so heartwarming!!
UTSA will likely go to the Mountain West with North Texas if Tulsa stays in the AAC. UTEP joined CUSA because there wasn't any other option after the WAC blew up from being shredded by the Mountain West in the last round of realignment that sent 6 WAC teams to the MWC.
UTEP, Tulsa, and Rice were left screwed. They would have much rather stayed in the WAC. Their entrance into CUSA was a marriage of convenience, and they knew that. Rice is probably close enough to the Louisiana border to be most reasonably accommodated for CUSA if the league can shift east to keep Marshall and Southern Miss.
The league isn't going to kick the Texas schools out. It's possible that Jim Delaney is working to help CUSA schools in Texas get to the Mountain West. If he can convince Thompson to take North Texas, UTSA, and UTEP, the league could stay at 11 or add Liberty and go to 12.
UTEP joined the CUSA in 2005 (along with Tulsa, SMU, Rice) after being in the WAC for decades. UTEP would be in the MWC today if they would have stayed put in the WAC. The WAC went on to 4 BCS bowls with Boise obtaining #2 ranking in AP. CUSA had 0 BCS bowls during that time period.
I got my realignment years mixed up. Thank you for the correction.
(09-20-2021 01:27 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What about urban and rural divisions?
MetroPCS: ODU, UNCC, UAB, FAU, FIU
Cricket: Marshall, So Miss, LA Tech, MTSU, WKU
Since MT is sitting in the Greater Metro Nashville area (Population 1.6 million); we might have to go in your "Urban" Division. Not sure that "Cricket Division" will work for us unless you are putting us there because we attract so few fans to home games lately. NOW THAT IS SOME CRICKETS!!!
(09-20-2021 03:00 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 02:44 PM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:45 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]MWC without Colorado State, Air Force and in a few years Boise and SDSU has about as much upside as the current CUSA. There is a reason Colorado St and Air Force are even considering AAC and it's because they know Boise and SDSU are as good as gone whenever Big12 figures out OU and UT buyout situation.
I'm pretty sure Boise and San Diego State have little bearing on what AFA and CSU-Fort Collins do.
Actually, it was Arkstfan on the Sun Belt board that spelled out why Air Force is leaving, and he's not wrong. I can vouch for that. CSU-Fort Collins is looking to leave mainly because Air Force wants to leave. As the only other FBS school in Colorado outside of Boulder, they've been tied at the hip.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-929854-page-4.html
Arkstfan Wrote:I don’t think AFA feels loved nor do they feel like MWC is what they signed up for. Utah and BYU were a big part of what they liked when they had the Airport Meeting. Remember the proposal to make WAC16 divisions permanent triggered AFA to declare they’d go Indy first and led to the Airport Meeting. Only AFA, Colorado State, and Wyoming remain from that meeting.
They don’t feel loved with the unbalanced revenue sharing and they don’t feel loved that MWC is today 50% schools that were Big West when they were in the Classic WAC. They sure didn’t like it when MWC briefly floated a 9 game schedule trial ballon without discussing it with them.
I think AFA is unhappy and AAC membership gives them schools they deem academic peers in the form of the privates, the travel isn’t significantly worse and I would think they rightly believe that Colorado State, Wyoming, and New Mexico would follow them to AAC if given the opportunity. Right now it looks like only CSU would get that chance but I don’t think Wyoming, New Mexico or UTEP would say no if offered a slot in a western AAC division.
I don’t see it happening and have yet to see any substantial reports stating that it is true.
Why join a watered down AAC that just lost all it’s best teams (and money makers) Not to mention the uncertainty of TV renegotiation.
5 out 6 NY6 bowl teams just left the AAC not to mention the NCAA credits and their highest TV viewership.
Their closest AAC opponent is SMU or Tulsa might as well being ECU, While the MWC has New Mexico and Wyoming on the front range.
Makes zero sense for little more money. Highly unlikely
AFA and CSU could be using this as leverage with the MWC
If all this happens, the AAC basically becomes a midwest conference. And starts competing against the MWC. Especially if the MWC backfills with UTEP, UNT, Rice & UTSA. Do ECU and Temple even want to stay in that? Could they carry enough weight to force a realignment between the SB and CUSA? Could CUSA lure ECU and Temple to join? Heck, if we lost those four, and gained those two, Id waive the entry fees for ECU and T.
MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
(09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead.
(09-20-2021 04:05 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:27 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What about urban and rural divisions?
MetroPCS: ODU, UNCC, UAB, FAU, FIU
Cricket: Marshall, So Miss, LA Tech, MTSU, WKU
Since MT is sitting in the Greater Metro Nashville area (Population 1.6 million); we might have to go in your "Urban" Division. Not sure that "Cricket Division" will work for us unless you are putting us there because we attract so few fans to home games lately. NOW THAT IS SOME CRICKETS!!!
clt would punt uab to the rural division.
(09-20-2021 05:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:05 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:27 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What about urban and rural divisions?
MetroPCS: ODU, UNCC, UAB, FAU, FIU
Cricket: Marshall, So Miss, LA Tech, MTSU, WKU
Since MT is sitting in the Greater Metro Nashville area (Population 1.6 million); we might have to go in your "Urban" Division. Not sure that "Cricket Division" will work for us unless you are putting us there because we attract so few fans to home games lately. NOW THAT IS SOME CRICKETS!!!
clt would punt uab to the rural division.
....We need a "Tennis" division for Charlotte, ODU, and some of our other uppity, elite, friends from the east. And we can have a "Bowling" division for our blue collar, rough around the edges, friends in the West.
(09-20-2021 04:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead.
You make some great points. However Matt Brown has been accurate a high amount of times. Arkstate fan also gave some reasons most were unaware of.
(09-20-2021 05:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 05:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:05 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:27 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What about urban and rural divisions?
MetroPCS: ODU, UNCC, UAB, FAU, FIU
Cricket: Marshall, So Miss, LA Tech, MTSU, WKU
Since MT is sitting in the Greater Metro Nashville area (Population 1.6 million); we might have to go in your "Urban" Division. Not sure that "Cricket Division" will work for us unless you are putting us there because we attract so few fans to home games lately. NOW THAT IS SOME CRICKETS!!!
clt would punt uab to the rural division.
....We need a "Tennis" division for Charlotte, ODU, and some of our other uppity, elite, friends from the east. And we can have a "Bowling" division for our blue collar, rough around the edges, friends in the West. 
I beg your pardon..
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(09-20-2021 05:22 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead.
You make some great points. However Matt Brown has been accurate a high amount of times. Arkstate fan also gave some reasons most were unaware of.
CUSA western schools are closer to some MWC schools than CUSA. Tulsa and the CUSA TX schools should all be in the MWC. What I dont get is this... the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
(09-21-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 05:22 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 04:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]MWC
Fort Collins to Laramie 65 Miles
Colorado Springs to Albuquerque 350 miles
AAC
Fort Collins to New Orleans 1,214 miles
Fort Collins to Dallas 840 miles
I said it last week and the week before, all this talk about the MWC schools joining forces with CUSA schools (in any fashion) is just silly. The geography is really bad. The irony is, the story continues to come from CUSA's eastern schools, who constantly complain about CUSA's geography, traveling to UTEP, etc..... Yet, I guess somehow they think the MWC schools want to do all the travel instead.
You make some great points. However Matt Brown has been accurate a high amount of times. Arkstate fan also gave some reasons most were unaware of.
CUSA western schools are closer to some MWC schools than CUSA. Tulsa and the CUSA TX schools should all be in the MWC. What I dont get is this... the MWC will be stronger than the AAC. Especially if they keep CSU and AFA. So why would those two leave to drop down? Doesnt make sense.
Not if Boise State and/or San Diego State join the Big 12 or AAC. If they pass on the AAC and the MWC is markedly weaker in the end, their presidents will take it on the chin from their supporters.
(09-20-2021 03:00 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 02:44 PM)All4One Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2021 01:45 PM)BirdsUp210 Wrote: [ -> ]MWC without Colorado State, Air Force and in a few years Boise and SDSU has about as much upside as the current CUSA. There is a reason Colorado St and Air Force are even considering AAC and it's because they know Boise and SDSU are as good as gone whenever Big12 figures out OU and UT buyout situation.
I'm pretty sure Boise and San Diego State have little bearing on what AFA and CSU-Fort Collins do.
Actually, it was Arkstfan on the Sun Belt board that spelled out why Air Force is leaving, and he's not wrong. I can vouch for that. CSU-Fort Collins is looking to leave mainly because Air Force wants to leave. As the only other FBS school in Colorado outside of Boulder, they've been tied at the hip.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-929854-page-4.html
Arkstfan Wrote:I don’t think AFA feels loved nor do they feel like MWC is what they signed up for. Utah and BYU were a big part of what they liked when they had the Airport Meeting. Remember the proposal to make WAC16 divisions permanent triggered AFA to declare they’d go Indy first and led to the Airport Meeting. Only AFA, Colorado State, and Wyoming remain from that meeting.
They don’t feel loved with the unbalanced revenue sharing and they don’t feel loved that MWC is today 50% schools that were Big West when they were in the Classic WAC. They sure didn’t like it when MWC briefly floated a 9 game schedule trial ballon without discussing it with them.
I think AFA is unhappy and AAC membership gives them schools they deem academic peers in the form of the privates, the travel isn’t significantly worse and I would think they rightly believe that Colorado State, Wyoming, and New Mexico would follow them to AAC if given the opportunity. Right now it looks like only CSU would get that chance but I don’t think Wyoming, New Mexico or UTEP would say no if offered a slot in a western AAC division.
I don’t see it happening and have yet to see any substantial reports stating that it is true.
Why join a watered down AAC that just lost all it’s best teams (and money makers) Not to mention the uncertainty of TV renegotiation.
5 out 6 NY6 bowl teams just left the AAC not to mention the NCAA credits and their highest TV viewership.
Their closest AAC opponent is SMU or Tulsa might as well being ECU, While the MWC has New Mexico and Wyoming on the front range.
Makes zero sense for little more money. Highly unlikely
AFA and CSU could be using this as leverage with the MWC
Good thought, but what could they be using it as leverage for? What do they want beyond more revenue that doesn't exist?
I do think you're right that they go nowhere. They'd be throwing away meaningful rivalries that they've had for years to join a listing ship on the other side of the country. It doesn't make sense. Aresco can go screw himself.