(01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]The only narrative that we dodged anybody is coming from you guys, as far as I can tell. Once again, with all due respect, UAB does not owe you the time of day.
Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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And Troy lost to a .500 Liberty on the road. Doesn't mean Troy is a bad team because of one game or that Liberty owns the Sun Belt. Troy had a great year. App did too
(01-05-2019 07:25 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 04:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:52 PM)_x_ Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 12:46 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: [ -> ]Louisiana will be the best in the west, but that’s not saying a whole lot. I think Coastal would be a top 2 team in that division.
Coastal was 1-3 against the west this year. That's not getting you near the top 2...
Their one win was UL funny enough, but yeah, the rest of the division obliterated them.
Coastal still routed the CUSA champ, that is enough to end this discussion.
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(01-05-2019 08:39 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 01:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2019 10:51 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]Whether or not the Sunbelt's upward trajectory continues depends on how Troy and App State weather the storm of coaching change (No disrespect to Ga Southern fans I'll explain later). App and Troy are rising brands. Both are just on the edge of gaining critical mass. Both have been ranked. One has two marquee power 5 wins. Either or both taking a step back sets the league as a whole way back.
If App and Troy stumble Georgia Southern could be the toast of the league next year but they need 3 more 10 win seasons to get on the same brand level as App and Troy. They're 30 wins away from achieving that same critical mass. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but in the eyes of national writers being a good G5 one year isn't good enough. You have to be good for three.
No, that's not how it works at all.
If Georgia Southern goes 12-0 next year and App goes 6-6, there's no drop off in Sun Belt level whatsoever. Unless you believe that no one else in the conference outside of App/Troy is going to win 10 games, but if you do, there's little hope for you.
The Sun Belt has always worked in stretches. Teams dominate the league for a few years, than they fall off some and another team comes in and dominates. North Texas dominated from 01-04. Troy dominated from 06-10, AState dominated from 10-15. App and Troy picked up from 2016 on.
If the Sun Belt averages 3 10 win teams a year, then the reputation of the league as a whole is going to go up regardless. Those teams could be Texas State/ULM/Coastal Carolina, and it still trends the league up. Doesn't matter who wins...just that we have multiple 10 game winners a year.
But I think you're still missing what I'm trying to say (or you're not trying to understand it). What I'm saying is that App and Troy have built up cache with the national writers. Cache that has come from multiple 10 win seasons, bowl wins, and P5 wins. Cache that several other teams can absolutely achieve but that will require more than 1 good season to fully take advantage of. National writers don't want to think about adding newbies to the club.
Were Georgia Southern to beat LSU or stAte to beat Georgia next year that would certainly launch either of you into that conversation even faster but I'm speaking under the knowledge that those are very difficult wins to achieve. I'll give you a real example: Yesterday we had Orlando Sentinel's Matt Murschel on. We all obsess over his preseason 130 team countdown. I asked him a couple teams he sees making a jump into his preseason top 25 that weren't there last year. He named 4 dreadful P5 from 2018. See, G5s are an afterthought and you HAVE to do it 3 or 4 years in a row. One good season is not enough.
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Maybe, but you're also making a big deal about getting a team ranked. The Sun Belt doesn't get any extra money by having a ranked team, unless they get access bowl, and someone has to go undefeated to do that, and any Undefeated Sun Belt is going to be ranked...
If Troy and App both have a down year next year, and UL and Georgia Southern finish 10-2...The Sun Belt ends in the exact same place it was nationally that it was after this year. There's no harm to the league whatsoever
There's a cycle coming in which App is no longer the most dominant team in the Sun Belt. When that happens, the Sun Belt will be just fine.
(01-06-2019 01:03 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]The only narrative that we dodged anybody is coming from you guys, as far as I can tell. Once again, with all due respect, UAB does not owe you the time of day.
Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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Decided to play a weaker opponent on a Tuesday...
Boca Raton was lovely.
Look, you are clearly aggrieved. As a UAB fan, I must say I'm flattered.
Congratulations on a great season, conference championship, and bowl victory.
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Still here pretending not to care. Too funny you spending so much time debating with a program you think is beneath you.
The irony that you hate when Bama fans speak of you guys in this manner, only difference is that is warranted.
Quote the post where I said you were beneath us.
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(01-06-2019 10:07 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]Still here pretending not to care. Too funny you spending so much time debating with a program you think is beneath you.
The irony that you hate when Bama fans speak of you guys in this manner, only difference is that is warranted.
I don't think theres any reason for App fans to get too stressed over UABs decision. They made the right one for their program.
Getting housed 40-10 in the bowl game was not going to fit the narrative of redemption they wanted.
They picked the opponent they had the best shot of beating. Can't blame'em. Hope they enjoyed the basketball game too.
Here's some interesting info.....
Since 2014 how many weeks has each conference/team spent in the Top 25?
Format is CFP/AP/Coaches Poll. Highest ranking is in parenthesis in same format.
CUSA- 1/10/9 for a total of 20 weeks.
Marshall- 1/8/8 (24/18/18)
WKU- 0/2/0 (24)
UAB- 0/0/1 (25)
Sun Belt- 0/2/0 for a total of 2 weeks.
App St- 0/1/0 (25)
Troy- 0/1/0 (25)
The Sun Belt is the only conference to have NEVER been ranked a single time in the CFP Poll or the Coaches Poll.
(01-06-2019 03:38 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Here's some interesting info.....
Since 2014 how many weeks has each conference/team spent in the Top 25?
Format is CFP/AP/Coaches Poll. Highest ranking is in parenthesis in same format.
CUSA- 1/10/9 for a total of 20 weeks.
Marshall- 1/8/8 (24/18/18)
WKU- 0/2/0 (24)
UAB- 0/0/1 (25)
Sun Belt- 0/2/0 for a total of 2 weeks.
App St- 0/1/0 (25)
Troy- 0/1/0 (25)
The Sun Belt is the only conference to have NEVER been ranked a single time in the CFP Poll or the Coaches Poll.
So Marshall is the difference maker? Other than that basically no difference between both conferences...
(01-06-2019 10:09 AM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Quote the post where I said you were beneath us.
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He never said App State was beneath UAB, leave him alone. Literally no one would ever imply that UAB is above Appalachian State. App State is a team with 21 conference titles, 13 double digit win seasons, a 4-0 Bowl Record, the 15th highest win percentage in college football history, 47 NFL draft picks and excellent name recognition. UAB is a great story, but they are a program with little history, NO money few winning seasons and 1 bowl win. Leave him alone! He nor anyone who ever lived thought app state was beneath uab.
(01-06-2019 01:03 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]The only narrative that we dodged anybody is coming from you guys, as far as I can tell. Once again, with all due respect, UAB does not owe you the time of day.
Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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Yea, you lost all credibility right there with that ignorant statement.
(01-06-2019 07:53 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 01:03 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]The only narrative that we dodged anybody is coming from you guys, as far as I can tell. Once again, with all due respect, UAB does not owe you the time of day.
Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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Yea, you lost all credibility right there with that ignorant statement.
Ranked since 2016:
MAC: CFP 8 weeks, AP poll 15 weeks, Coaches 16 weeks
Sunbelt: CFP 0 weeks, AP 2 weeks, Coaches 0 weeks
NY6 bowl since 2012:
MAC: 2 (Northern Illinois vs Florida State 2013, Western Michigan vs Wisconsin 2017 )
Sunbelt: 0
As I said
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(01-06-2019 05:54 PM)T2003 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 03:38 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Here's some interesting info.....
Since 2014 how many weeks has each conference/team spent in the Top 25?
Format is CFP/AP/Coaches Poll. Highest ranking is in parenthesis in same format.
CUSA- 1/10/9 for a total of 20 weeks.
Marshall- 1/8/8 (24/18/18)
WKU- 0/2/0 (24)
UAB- 0/0/1 (25)
Sun Belt- 0/2/0 for a total of 2 weeks.
App St- 0/1/0 (25)
Troy- 0/1/0 (25)
The Sun Belt is the only conference to have NEVER been ranked a single time in the CFP Poll or the Coaches Poll.
So Marshall is the difference maker? Other than that basically no difference between both conferences...
Yep. Pretty much. Look at it from all conferences. Shows how far behind we are and here we are arguing which of us is better lol. The AAC and MWC are so much further ahead of the rest of us in terms of national relevance that it isn't even funny.
AAC- 44/109/110 for a total of
263 weeks.
UCF- 13/26/26
Houston- 7/20/20
USF- 0/21/22
Memphis- 3/14/14
Navy- 8/11/10
Temple- 6/7/8
ECU- 1/6/6
Cincinnati- 0/4/4
MWC- 22/47/50 for a total of
119 weeks.
Boise St- 15/27/29
Fresno St- 5/5/4
San Diego St- 0/8/8
Utah St- 2/4/6
Colorado St- 0/3/3
MAC- 8/15/16 for a total of
39 weeks.
Western Michigan- 6/10/11
Toledo- 2/5/5
CUSA- 1/10/9 for a total of
20 weeks.
Marshall- 1/8/8
WKU- 0/2/0
UAB- 0/0/1
G5 Independents- 0/11/7 for a total of
18 weeks.
BYU- 0/8/4
Army- 0/3/3
Sun Belt- 0/2/0 for a total of
2 weeks.
App St- 0/1/0
Troy- 0/1/0
(01-06-2019 08:03 PM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 07:53 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 01:03 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]The only narrative that we dodged anybody is coming from you guys, as far as I can tell. Once again, with all due respect, UAB does not owe you the time of day.
Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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Yea, you lost all credibility right there with that ignorant statement.
Ranked since 2016:
MAC: CFP 8 weeks, AP poll 15 weeks, Coaches 16 weeks
Sunbelt: CFP 0 weeks, AP 2 weeks, Coaches 0 weeks
NY6 bowl since 2012:
MAC: 2 (Northern Illinois vs Florida State 2013, Western Michigan vs Wisconsin 2017 )
Sunbelt: 0
As I said
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The MAC is definitely above the Sun Belt in terms of prestige and national relevance. I'm not saying NIU was better than App St, but yes it is considered a better win to beat the MAC champs as opposed to beating the Sun Belt champs.
(01-06-2019 08:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 08:03 PM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 07:53 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2019 01:03 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2019 09:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]Yet you continue to spend time on this discussion. With all due respect, App would have owned you, every football fan knows it, you decided to play a weaker opponent. Just like Southern Miss, you decided not to play App State. Can’t say I blame you.
We decided to play the conference champion from a conference with more prestige during a time slot that didn't interfere with us playing #10 Auburn in Birmingham in front of a sellout crowd of 15,000.
Makes sense
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Yea, you lost all credibility right there with that ignorant statement.
Ranked since 2016:
MAC: CFP 8 weeks, AP poll 15 weeks, Coaches 16 weeks
Sunbelt: CFP 0 weeks, AP 2 weeks, Coaches 0 weeks
NY6 bowl since 2012:
MAC: 2 (Northern Illinois vs Florida State 2013, Western Michigan vs Wisconsin 2017 )
Sunbelt: 0
As I said
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The MAC is definitely above the Sun Belt in terms of prestige and national relevance. I'm not saying NIU was better than App St, but yes it is considered a better win to beat the MAC champs as opposed to beating the Sun Belt champs.
Well, considering there was no way they were going to beat the Sun Belt champs this year...
You're entitled to think that, if you like. It's a free country, after all
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The Sun Belt not only survived CUSAs raiding the top of the conference it's thriving. The paradigm shift is a result of CUSA's bad decisions combined with good Sun Belt decisions and some luck. The pressure going forward is on CUSA. The Sun Belt is in a sound financial position with peer institutions competing well above expectations. Construction underway on three stadiums as well as the Turner Field redo in Atlanta preparing for the road ahead while we debate and split hairs with what should be a superior conference. Feels good to me. I'll say it again. It's slowing down to talk to the guy in front of you.
(01-06-2019 09:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: [ -> ]The Sun Belt not only survived CUSAs raiding the top of the conference it's thriving. The paradigm shift is a result of CUSA's bad decisions combined with good Sun Belt decisions and some luck. The pressure going forward is on CUSA. The Sun Belt is in a sound financial position with peer institutions competing well above expectations. Construction underway on three stadiums as well as the Turner Field redo in Atlanta preparing for the road ahead while we debate and split hairs with what should be a superior conference. Feels good to me. I'll say it again. It's slowing down to talk to the guy in front of you.
Sure. If your definition of thriving is appearing in the Top 25 rankings a total of two weeks since 2014.
Guys no one is placing weight on beating a garbage MAC team. The MAC had one decent team three years ago and has performed terribly in bowls since then.
UAB doesn’t owe us the time of day...