(12-26-2018 05:39 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: [ -> ]Two of the top five in this list are in the Sun Belt. The only one not that resides within the footprint should reconsider it's position and where the future looks brighter. Just a quick side step and the future looks mo bright.
https://twitter.com/AppStateNation/statu...9975670784
I'm still mad that Marshall administration didn't demand App St to CUSA. I think most Marshall fans knew you all were going to transition just fine.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
C-USA has better bowl tie-ins but it won't remain that way, especially if they continue their trend.
(12-26-2018 05:41 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: [ -> ]Two of the top five in this list are in the Sun Belt. The only one not that resides within the footprint should reconsider it's position and where the future looks brighter. Just a quick side step and the future looks mo bright.
https://twitter.com/AppStateNation/statu...9975670784
I'm still mad that Marshall administration didn't demand App St to CUSA. I think most Marshall fans knew you all were going to transition just fine.
I thought many Marshall fans were upset that the game between App and Marshall was scheduled because in the mind of Herd fans, it wasn't App stepping up but Marshall stepping down.
(12-26-2018 07:08 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 01:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2018 11:08 PM)airtroop Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2018 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, lets look at the next 5 years of OOC schedules....
2019-2023 Home Games vs P5/AAC
CUSA
Charlotte- 2/0
FIU- 1/0 (Very few games scheduled)
FAU- 0/2
Marshall- 2/3
MTSU- 3/0
ODU- 3/1
WKU- 2/1
La Tech- 1/1
North Texas- 1/4
Rice- 3/2
So Miss- 0/1
UAB- 0/0 (Still have open dates and catching up from shut down of program)
UTEP- 1/0
UTSA- 0-2
CUSA Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 17/17
Sun Belt
App St- 1/2
Coastal- 1/0
Ga Southern- 0/0 (Do host BYU which is equivalent to AAC imo)
Ga St- 1/1
Troy- 1/0 (Still a lot of open dates)
Ark St- 0/4 (Still a lot of open dates)
Louisiana- 1/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
USA- 0/1
TX St- 1/1
ULM- 0/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
Sun Belt Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 6/11
This seems to go with the historical trend. Yeah, you all get a few home games against P5 and AAC but no where near as many as CUSA gets. Over next 5 years we already have 17 home games scheduled against the P5 to Sun Belt's 6 and we have another 17 home games scheduled against the AAC while you all only have 11.
That is a big disparity for sure. Sun Belt needs to do a better job of getting the P5s at home.
Could it be that P5's are just a bit more willing to risk a road game at a C-USA stadium than an SBC location? Composite rankings over the last few years would (overall) indicate a slightly larger chance of them losing on the road at an SBC venue. Juss' sayin'...
Generally speaking, you aren't getting a P5 unless you are in a major recruiting hotbed, or they are local enough they see it as an easy trip.
AState could join the AAC tomorrow and still have the same issues getting P5 schools to come here. Conference has next to nothing to do with it. Hell, until CUSA agrees to start playing us again, we're struggling for any home games outside of AAC and some far flung G5 somewhere in the same boat we are schedule wise.
While I wish it was Arkansas State instead, North Texas semi-recently scheduled a H/H with South Alabama. It may not be common, but some of the CUSA schools are not boycotting SBC schools.
I didn't say CUSA was boycotting the SBC. I said CUSA is boycotting Arkansas State
We've not managed to get an existing CUSA team to play us in a non conference since we signed Southern Miss for the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Since then, nothing. And that's despite having made phone calls to every school in the league except UTEP.
Meanwhile, every other SBC program has signed on to play a CUSA school, and I believe every SBC Program outside of Rice and UTEP have at least committed to a future series with an SBC school. (And the Miners regularly play the New Mexico Schools anyway) Maybe we're imagining it, but it sure seems odd that we're the only one who can't get home games against CUSA teams.
(12-26-2018 06:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:41 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: [ -> ]Two of the top five in this list are in the Sun Belt. The only one not that resides within the footprint should reconsider it's position and where the future looks brighter. Just a quick side step and the future looks mo bright.
https://twitter.com/AppStateNation/statu...9975670784
I'm still mad that Marshall administration didn't demand App St to CUSA. I think most Marshall fans knew you all were going to transition just fine.
I thought many Marshall fans were upset that the game between App and Marshall was scheduled because in the mind of Herd fans, it wasn't App stepping up but Marshall stepping down.
Not to me or the circle of herd fans I interact with. We were/are pretty excited about the match up and wish we were in the same conference.
(12-26-2018 05:59 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
C-USA has better bowl tie-ins but it won't remain that way, especially if they continue their trend.
I don't care for the far flung bowls and none of the bowls either hosts are going to draw heavy hitters.
(12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
(12-24-2018 12:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:37 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:26 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 10:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, on the football field there isn't much difference at all right now. Any given year one conference could argue they are better than the other imo. But overall I think CUSA is the better conference when you take in to account fan bases and the other major sport, Men's Basketball.
Louisiana is the only team in the Sun Belt who has respectable basketball attendance. Yes there are some teams in CUSA with terrible basketball attendance too, but overall, we have pretty good attendance.
Louisiana is #1 in the Sun Belt (BY FAR) with an average attendance of 3,917/game. That would put them 6th in CUSA in average attendance with Charlotte (3,876/game) right behind them. Louisiana isn't even close to the Top 5 in CUSA with Marshall (6,451/game) and ODU (6,164/game) leading the way for CUSA. Again, Louisiana is by far the leader in the Sun Belt and would be middle of the pack in CUSA.
CUSA and Sun Belt may be pretty even in football but there is no comparison in basketball. CUSA is definitely the bigger/better conference from top to bottom.
Right now, Sun Belt is a step ahead of the CUSA in football
Very debatable. Pretty even. Even if SBC is ahead it's barely ahead. In terms of basketball, there is no comparison.
Debatable? Provide your evidence. Every composite ranking i've seen shows the Sun Belt firmly ahead of both the MAC and C-USA in football for at least 3 of the last 4 seasons now. MAC was boosted by Western Michigan in their NY6 year and the Belt still finished almost even with them.
This year, the Sun Belt had 3 10-win teams. What does C-USA have?
? Since Final Realignment 2014 CUSA has ranked ahead of the Sunbelt 3 out 5 years.
2014 - CUSA ranked 8th, Sunbelt Last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...014-16.htm
2015 - Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
2017- Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
There's your evidence, now quit talking nonsense "firmly ahead"
(12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
Waterfalls! Let’s all build waterfalls!
2018 Massey shows CUSA as the worst. That’s two of the last three years you’re behind the SBC. I think it’ll happen again next year.
(12-27-2018 02:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2018 12:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:37 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:26 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 10:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, on the football field there isn't much difference at all right now. Any given year one conference could argue they are better than the other imo. But overall I think CUSA is the better conference when you take in to account fan bases and the other major sport, Men's Basketball.
Louisiana is the only team in the Sun Belt who has respectable basketball attendance. Yes there are some teams in CUSA with terrible basketball attendance too, but overall, we have pretty good attendance.
Louisiana is #1 in the Sun Belt (BY FAR) with an average attendance of 3,917/game. That would put them 6th in CUSA in average attendance with Charlotte (3,876/game) right behind them. Louisiana isn't even close to the Top 5 in CUSA with Marshall (6,451/game) and ODU (6,164/game) leading the way for CUSA. Again, Louisiana is by far the leader in the Sun Belt and would be middle of the pack in CUSA.
CUSA and Sun Belt may be pretty even in football but there is no comparison in basketball. CUSA is definitely the bigger/better conference from top to bottom.
Right now, Sun Belt is a step ahead of the CUSA in football
Very debatable. Pretty even. Even if SBC is ahead it's barely ahead. In terms of basketball, there is no comparison.
Debatable? Provide your evidence. Every composite ranking i've seen shows the Sun Belt firmly ahead of both the MAC and C-USA in football for at least 3 of the last 4 seasons now. MAC was boosted by Western Michigan in their NY6 year and the Belt still finished almost even with them.
This year, the Sun Belt had 3 10-win teams. What does C-USA have?
? Since Final Realignment 2014 CUSA has ranked ahead of the Sunbelt 3 out 5 years.
2014 - CUSA ranked 8th, Sunbelt Last https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...014-16.htm
2015 - Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
2017- Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
There's your evidence, now quit talking nonsense "firmly ahead"
Depends on what metric you look at. Warrennolan.com/ELO Chess rankings have the Sun Belt firmly ahead of CUSA and the MAC.
http://warrennolan.com/football/2015/conferenceelo
I prefer the Sun Belt bowls over what CUSA has and even though CUSA’s are perceived better, I think much like their media deal, they will be surprised at how many steps back they take when the new bowl contracts are written up.
(12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your $11 million IPF is very average. Sure its nice to have and better than nothing, but I'm not sure how you can look at that and say "We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA."
Your football stadium and IPF aren't even on par with Marshall's and we are part of CUSA. I don't know enough about the rest of the conference to comment on them.
(12-27-2018 03:40 AM)T2003 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
Waterfalls! Let’s all build waterfalls!
haha, I was thinking the same thing? What does a waterfall have to do with anything?
(12-26-2018 07:13 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 06:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:41 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: [ -> ]Two of the top five in this list are in the Sun Belt. The only one not that resides within the footprint should reconsider it's position and where the future looks brighter. Just a quick side step and the future looks mo bright.
https://twitter.com/AppStateNation/statu...9975670784
I'm still mad that Marshall administration didn't demand App St to CUSA. I think most Marshall fans knew you all were going to transition just fine.
I thought many Marshall fans were upset that the game between App and Marshall was scheduled because in the mind of Herd fans, it wasn't App stepping up but Marshall stepping down.
Not to me or the circle of herd fans I interact with. We were/are pretty excited about the match up and wish we were in the same conference.
Agree with this. That is just you SunBelt guys creating fuel because of a couple over-the-top posters.
There's one thing that is for sure. CUSA/Sun Belt/MAC are all just arguing over who is the 3rd best G5 conference. AAC and MWC are definitely ahead of the rest of us. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the MAC would leave to form a better conference but man that sure would be nice if they would.
Either way. Majority of the best programs in CUSA are either in the East or could easily join a more eastern based conference. Same thing for the Sun Belt, the top programs are in the East and/or could join an eastern based conference. No reason for us (the top programs) to worry about making sure everyone lands softly. We all need to get together and form a new conference with the top schools from each conference. One that would EASILY be a top 3 conference and would definitely challenge the MWC/AAC.
(12-27-2018 09:17 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 02:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2018 12:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:37 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018 11:26 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote: [ -> ]Right now, Sun Belt is a step ahead of the CUSA in football
Very debatable. Pretty even. Even if SBC is ahead it's barely ahead. In terms of basketball, there is no comparison.
Debatable? Provide your evidence. Every composite ranking i've seen shows the Sun Belt firmly ahead of both the MAC and C-USA in football for at least 3 of the last 4 seasons now. MAC was boosted by Western Michigan in their NY6 year and the Belt still finished almost even with them.
This year, the Sun Belt had 3 10-win teams. What does C-USA have?
? Since Final Realignment 2014 CUSA has ranked ahead of the Sunbelt 3 out 5 years.
2014 - CUSA ranked 8th, Sunbelt Last https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...014-16.htm
2015 - Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
2017- Sunbelt last
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...015-15.htm
There's your evidence, now quit talking nonsense "firmly ahead"
Depends on what metric you look at. Warrennolan.com/ELO Chess rankings have the Sun Belt firmly ahead of CUSA and the MAC.
http://warrennolan.com/football/2015/conferenceelo
He said “composite rankings” Well guess what, the massey is by far the most respected composite ranking. And the Sunbelt has ranked behind CUSA 3 out of 5 years. So quit spouting total baseless BS
(12-27-2018 09:36 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 03:40 AM)T2003 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
Waterfalls! Let’s all build waterfalls!
haha, I was thinking the same thing? What does a waterfall have to do with anything?
Other than the obvious.....which is an opportunity for a drunken co-ed to give additional entertainment value to any event????
(12-27-2018 09:35 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote: [ -> ]Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.
(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.
Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your $11 million IPF is very average. Sure its nice to have and better than nothing, but I'm not sure how you can look at that and say "We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA."
Your football stadium and IPF aren't even on par with Marshall's and we are part of CUSA. I don't know enough about the rest of the conference to comment on them.
No it is not. Your IPF is on par. A little less room vertically but nice. Your stadium is solid but certainly not as nice as ASU's with all of the recent renovations. We already have a quality football ops building that will be converted for use by other programs when the new $30 million project is complete in the fall. I was a little short on the overall renovations to the stadium which are $80 million not including the hotel and convention center.
I am not sure how you profess to compare if you don't know anything about the rest of the conference.