For you math geeks, there is an equation here just dying to be formulated.
Variables would be:
5 and 10 year RPI averages.
5 and 10 year Budget numbers.
5 and 10 year attendance averages for Football and Basketball.
5 and 10 year Massey Composite ranking averages.
20 year Facility Spending total.
Throw that together and have your computer tell me the final ranking.
(12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Based on what?
(12-31-2018 05:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Based on what?
The fact that they were really good this year or traditionally have a strong fanbase.
(12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Shhhh... Don't tell that to GASo fans. They think we rode their coat tails into the Sunbelt.
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(12-31-2018 05:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Based on what?
See, I told you.
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(12-31-2018 05:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Based on what?
What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
(12-31-2018 07:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Shhhh... Don't tell that to GASo fans. They think we rode their coat tails into the Sunbelt.
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No way. App State is a MUCH bigger brand. It's not even close.
(12-31-2018 09:06 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 07:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Shhhh... Don't tell that to GASo fans. They think we rode their coat tails into the Sunbelt.
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No way. App State is a MUCH bigger brand. It's not even close.
Uh oh.... This is going to be good.
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(12-31-2018 07:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Shhhh... Don't tell that to GASo fans. They think we rode their coat tails into the Sunbelt.
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That’s the way I heard it. More precisely; after CUSA shot y’all down, your friends in Statesboro spoke to Karl about y’all, and Karl left the backdoor open for you. I also heard that Karl had some regrets over the decision after he heard y’all complaining about “travel costs.” True Story
(12-31-2018 09:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
In your opinion it is.
Personally, I'd take Troy over UAB (for example). They've got more sustained success than any Sun Belt team and unlike App, they've done it under multiple coaching staffs. And if Ark State got their hands on a coach like Neal Brown or Scott Satterfield I'd argue they'd be better than either App or Troy are (not a lot better, though).
I care more about attendance and football prowess than having "Randy-Moss-played-here-U" or "Brett-Favre-played-here-U".
Also, with CUSA having 3 of those 4 supposed biggest brands, your TV contract isn't worth any more than ours and it obviously hasn't helped you be better than the Sun Belt in the G5 rankings. The idea that there are any real, genuine brands that make a difference in the G5 is a myth.
(12-27-2018 10:40 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 09:47 AM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]He said “composite rankings” Well guess what, the massey is by far the most respected composite ranking. And the Sunbelt has ranked behind CUSA 3 out of 5 years. So quit spouting total baseless BS
Says who? Your own opinion?
Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, Sagarin, Massey, and ELO Chess are both widely respected. I've never seen anything official to claim that Massey is "by far the most respected." You may be the one spouting total baseless BS here.
Man, that guy in the video is FAST
(12-27-2018 11:57 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 10:34 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 09:35 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 12:06 AM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018 05:39 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.
in the last six years or so we have added probably $70 million in improvements to our football facilities. New press box and suites, an $11 million IPF, North endzone project with premium seating, concessions, WATERFALLS, football ops complex, new video board and a convention center and hotel adjacent to the stadium.
I will update costs if I am off.
It is all top notch that I would not have believed we would do if you asked me ten years ago.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your $11 million IPF is very average. Sure its nice to have and better than nothing, but I'm not sure how you can look at that and say "We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA."
Your football stadium and IPF aren't even on par with Marshall's and we are part of CUSA. I don't know enough about the rest of the conference to comment on them.
No it is not. Your IPF is on par. A little less room vertically but nice. Your stadium is solid but certainly not as nice as ASU's with all of the recent renovations. We already have a quality football ops building that will be converted for use by other programs when the new $30 million project is complete in the fall. I was a little short on the overall renovations to the stadium which are $80 million not including the hotel and convention center.
I am not sure how you profess to compare if you don't know anything about the rest of the conference.
Dude, you can't be serious? Ours is much nicer. Yours is 78k square feet. Ours is 102k feet with a track around it
Yours is $11 million (according to you) and ours was $17 million back in 2013ish so at least 5 years ago.
Like I said, yours is nice and is much nicer than a lot of school's but to try and pretend you have just ran off and built better facilities than anyone in the Sun Belt or CUSA is just comical.
FWIW, Marshall is my favorite CUSA team other than my alma mater. Of all SBC teams I would like to join our conference is Appalachian St. again FWIW. Ark St and the Cajuns would be desirable as well.
(12-27-2018 04:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 04:07 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 04:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018 09:30 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]I prefer the Sun Belt bowls over what CUSA has and even though CUSA’s are perceived better, I think much like their media deal, they will be surprised at how many steps back they take when the new bowl contracts are written up.
I still don't understand why anyone would prefer the CUSA bowl lineup to ours. Who on earth wants their team to go play in the Bahamas or Hawaii for a bowl? The object for a bowl is a treat for fans that they can easily travel to. Not one thousands of miles away that's going to cost your school hundreds of thousands of dollars to play in.
There's absolutely no reason to think that CUSA bowls on weekday nights and far flung places are better than the Sun Belt Bowls.
It's even really silly to consider. La Tech probably spent 350-400K sending most of their athletic department and the football team to Hawaii. They may have sold 50-100K in tickets at best for such a game.
That means the school starts with a net loss of 250K, and has to hope CUSA has a sensible revenue sharing method to allow them to take the profits that other schools might have made for a far closer game. And that's no guarantee considering North Texas, Marshall, and UAB all had to play bowl games that are most likely flights for fans, and FIU, despite technically being only 188 miles from their game, had to hope that their fan base who wanted to attend had passports, while also getting passports for all of their players and Athletic staff.
The conference pays expenses for bowls is my understanding. Just as the SBC does.
(12-31-2018 10:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 09:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
In your opinion it is.
Personally, I'd take Troy over UAB (for example). They've got more sustained success than any Sun Belt team and unlike App, they've done it under multiple coaching staffs. And if Ark State got their hands on a coach like Neal Brown or Scott Satterfield I'd argue they'd be better than either App or Troy are (not a lot better, though).
I care more about attendance and football prowess than having "Randy-Moss-played-here-U" or "Brett-Favre-played-here-U".
Also, with CUSA having 3 of those 4 supposed biggest brands, your TV contract isn't worth any more than ours and it obviously hasn't helped you be better than the Sun Belt in the G5 rankings. The idea that there are any real, genuine brands that make a difference in the G5 is a myth.
Throw out UAB if you want.
Marshall, So Miss, and App State are the 3 biggest brands.
App State > Ga Southern
I honestly can't believe anyone outside of a biased Ga Southern fan would argue that.
(12-31-2018 11:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 10:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 09:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
In your opinion it is.
Personally, I'd take Troy over UAB (for example). They've got more sustained success than any Sun Belt team and unlike App, they've done it under multiple coaching staffs. And if Ark State got their hands on a coach like Neal Brown or Scott Satterfield I'd argue they'd be better than either App or Troy are (not a lot better, though).
I care more about attendance and football prowess than having "Randy-Moss-played-here-U" or "Brett-Favre-played-here-U".
Also, with CUSA having 3 of those 4 supposed biggest brands, your TV contract isn't worth any more than ours and it obviously hasn't helped you be better than the Sun Belt in the G5 rankings. The idea that there are any real, genuine brands that make a difference in the G5 is a myth.
Throw out UAB if you want.
Marshall, So Miss, and App State are the 3 biggest brands.
App State > Ga Southern
I honestly can't believe anyone outside of a biased Ga Southern fan would argue that.
I'm not getting baited into that dumb argument.
I wanted to know why you chose those four instead of other CUSA and SBC members, you are the one that threw Georgia Southern into the discussion. As I suspected, there's no good answer other than who's who in herdfan129 world.
(12-31-2018 11:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 10:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 09:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
In your opinion it is.
Personally, I'd take Troy over UAB (for example). They've got more sustained success than any Sun Belt team and unlike App, they've done it under multiple coaching staffs. And if Ark State got their hands on a coach like Neal Brown or Scott Satterfield I'd argue they'd be better than either App or Troy are (not a lot better, though).
I care more about attendance and football prowess than having "Randy-Moss-played-here-U" or "Brett-Favre-played-here-U".
Also, with CUSA having 3 of those 4 supposed biggest brands, your TV contract isn't worth any more than ours and it obviously hasn't helped you be better than the Sun Belt in the G5 rankings. The idea that there are any real, genuine brands that make a difference in the G5 is a myth.
Throw out UAB if you want.
Marshall, So Miss, and App State are the 3 biggest brands.
App State > Ga Southern
I honestly can't believe anyone outside of a biased Ga Southern fan would argue that.
The only reason I think App has a larger brand nationally than GS does is because of a single football game played 11 years ago.
In my mind, App and Southern are always a package. You get one, you get the other.
Lol
At best we all split into regions which obviously also kind of sucks. I'm sure we all have dream team conferences that will never happen because they leave too many schools out on an island by themselves. And conference contracts aren't something you easily get out of
As much as I love UTEP and Rice, I hope when the chips fall UAB doesnt end up with half a conference of Texas schools.
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Everybody can put together a list of schools that fit perfectly with what their own school's particular needs and desires are, but that isn't how things work in conference realignment. Realignment is all about alliances. Alliances where one small group of schools totally screws over another small group of schools. You just have to hope your school ends up among the screwers, and not among the screwed. This thread is proof of how quickly people will throw current conference mates under the bus if it betters their own self interest. This isn't unique to the SBC and CUSA. It's a human trait that we all suffer from and none of us can seem to help it. It's our keen sense of self interest (or survival) that leads us all to abandon any loyalty we ever had to our current conference mates.
Yes, it's every man for himself when it comes to realignment. This will be true in any kind of "regional" realignment that ever happens too. Believe differently at your own peril.
(12-31-2018 09:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 05:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 04:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 02:52 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with a conference made up of these 10 teams.
App State
Arkansas State
Troy
Georgia Southern
ULL
Southern Miss
La Tech
WKU
UAB
MTSU
If 12 teams, add Marshall and North Texas.
In terms of an Eastern based G5 conference made up of CUSA/Sun Belt schools, there are only 4 schools who are GUARANTEED to get an invite. In no particular order those 4 schools are Marshall, So Miss, UAB, and App State.
Based on what?
What do you mean based on what? Those are by far the 4 biggest brands (eastern based) out of the two conferences and it's not even close.
No one could honestly with a straight face put together a "best of" based in the East and leave those 4 teams out.
You’re right on 3 of the 4, but it’s an absolute joke that you think UAB is “by far one of the biggest brands.”
Most people have never heard of UAB any more than they’ve heard of Coastal.
Swap Georgia Southern for UAB, and you’re probably right about the 4 biggest names.
I only see two fb brands on this list - Marshall and USM, and both are fading brands...