(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 10:18 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]why are you guys talking record in regards to bowl invite? It has much more to do with location and which team will bring more potential money. I don't think they will look at a 1 game difference in record. ULL is a perfect example.
Not talking about the reality of dollars and politics. Talking about what the pecking order "should be".
It makes a difference. Many people do not even think 6-6 P5 schools should be bowling. Likewise USA should not jump a 7-5.
We all know that this is not how it always works.
10-4. I wasn't totally reading this thread in depth, and was more skimming, and kept seeing records being brought up
(12-01-2014 10:57 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 10:55 AM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 10:18 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]why are you guys talking record in regards to bowl invite? It has much more to do with location and which team will bring more potential money. I don't think they will look at a 1 game difference in record. ULL is a perfect example.
Not talking about the reality of dollars and politics. Talking about what the pecking order "should be".
It makes a difference. Many people do not even think 6-6 P5 schools should be bowling. Likewise USA should not jump a 7-5.
We all know that this is not how it always works.
10-4. I wasn't totally reading this thread in depth, and was more skimming, and kept seeing records being brought up
This would be moot except for the transition rule. I totally disagree with the transition rule. But also don't believe the rule should be changed midstream.
(12-01-2014 10:42 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 10:16 AM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]Better schedule? Our fans would kill to get home games with Navy and Miss St in the same year. Just cause it's not as easy, doesn't mean it's not a great schedule. Ask Baylor fans how they feel about their AD scheduling cupcakes all the time.
I still hope all four schools can go bowling. Hope the SBC bids go out soon so we can start moving forward.
yeah, and as I've argued a thousand times before on our forums, it's foolishness... it's just another form of our "longhorn bobcat" mentality rearing it's ugly head. We want fans in the stands to watch us... not our opponents.
beefing our schedule up now just inflates attendance numbers temporarily and causes more damage to fan interest in the program than it creates.
we aren't going to generate program hype by getting our teeth kicked in by texas tech every year. Blowout losses just reinforce long held stereo-types held by Texas outsiders and our own insufferable old-timer "boosters".
We aren't Baylor. Not even close. If we were anything resembling Baylor, then yeah... cupcakes would be annoying.
We are a mediocre g5 team at best and we need to pad our record with W's, not L's to get bowl invites year-in and year-out. We need to establish a winning tradition MORE than we need interesting competition... (for now)
If we go bowling every year, we will improve our prestige, casual alum support, and recruit interest far more than we would with multiple 30+ point losses to big 12 schools every year. (see Marshall)
when we are good enough to run through the belt 8-0 or 7-1, then fine yeah... schedule a couple lower/mid level p5's a year.
Then and only then - after we are more competitive... throw in a ranked opponent.
I see your point. It's one reason I'm happy we have Houston and UTSA coming. Good crowds and beatable teams.
(12-01-2014 11:03 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 10:44 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2014 09:31 PM)RustonCAT Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts exactly. You Knew all year you were not going bowling even at 12-0.. The Ncaa has denied the waiver but Gaso appealed after conference tittle became clear. It won't help them rules clearly states only in shortage can a transition team participate. They have no leg to stand on.
Any one on this board that says they would not expect their school's administration to be doing the exact same thing if they were in our position is either lying or just simply being a troll. The only difference is we have a few overzealous posters on here, and have been labeled as arrogant whiners. Call us what you want, but you would be appealing too if it were your school.
this is a ceremonial appeal. Everyone knows that it will be turned down... it is simply a symbolic effort made to appease fans.
Sure we would have done the same thing.. BUT
Like UTSA did last year, we would have done it as soon as we became bowl eligible. -We wouldn't have waited until after the season was over and forced everyone else to wait on us.
We made the request as soon as we were bowl eligible and appealed it as soon as it was denied. Soooooo...... not sure why we are any different than anyone else. We didn't just decide to make the request after Saturday's game was finished.
(12-01-2014 10:44 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2014 09:31 PM)RustonCAT Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts exactly. You Knew all year you were not going bowling even at 12-0.. The Ncaa has denied the waiver but Gaso appealed after conference tittle became clear. It won't help them rules clearly states only in shortage can a transition team participate. They have no leg to stand on.
Any one on this board that says they would not expect their school's administration to be doing the exact same thing if they were in our position is either lying or just simply being a troll. The only difference is we have a few overzealous posters on here, and have been labeled as arrogant whiners. Call us what you want, but you would be appealing too if it were your school.
Good points. For the record, I wouldn't want our school and fanbase judged by some of the posters on this message board and I don't have any antimosity towards Ga So based on some of your fans who post. AND Our fansbase would be pissed off if our admin. didn't file an appeal if we were in your shoes.
(12-01-2014 11:03 AM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]I see your point. It's one reason I'm happy we have Houston and UTSA coming. Good crowds and beatable teams.
Exactly...
4-5 years from now I'd much rather have the ENTIRE nation talking about how a 12-0, or 11-1 ranked TXST team "didn't play" anyone
than to be perennially 8-4, unranked, and still under the radar while only a handful of sun belt die-hards even notice that we took on a tough ooc schedule.
I'm convinced that the path to becoming the next Boise and closing the gap with P5 is by inflating w totals early on, not competition.
(12-01-2014 11:06 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]We made the request as soon as we were bowl eligible and appealed it as soon as it was denied. Soooooo...... not sure why we are any different than anyone else. We didn't just decide to make the request after Saturday's game was finished.
If that is true, then I stand corrected and completely understand.
(12-01-2014 11:16 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 11:03 AM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]I see your point. It's one reason I'm happy we have Houston and UTSA coming. Good crowds and beatable teams.
Exactly...
4-5 years from now I'd much rather have the ENTIRE nation talking about how a 12-0, or 11-1 ranked TXST team "didn't play" anyone
than to be perennially 8-4, unranked and still under the radar while only a handful of sun belt die-hards notice we always take on a tough ooc schedule.
I'm convinced that the path to becoming the next Boise and closing the gap with P5 is by inflating w #'s early on, not competition.
I agree. But you have to be able to pull off the major upset when given the chance (ala their game against Oklahoma). The number of wins got them there. They had to make the dream upset to get over the hump.
(12-01-2014 11:34 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 11:16 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 11:03 AM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]I see your point. It's one reason I'm happy we have Houston and UTSA coming. Good crowds and beatable teams.
Exactly...
4-5 years from now I'd much rather have the ENTIRE nation talking about how a 12-0, or 11-1 ranked TXST team "didn't play" anyone
than to be perennially 8-4, unranked and still under the radar while only a handful of sun belt die-hards notice we always take on a tough ooc schedule.
I'm convinced that the path to becoming the next Boise and closing the gap with P5 is by inflating w #'s early on, not competition.
I agree. But you have to be able to pull off the major upset when given the chance (ala their game against Oklahoma). The number of wins got them there. They had to make the dream upset to get over the hump.
no doubt
and the ability to knock off a high profile team will get better every year. Because recruiting and talent would certainly improve with consistent success.
TXST is smack dab in the middle of one of biggest recruiting hotbeds in the country. Since the move-up we've already done fairly well finding talent considering that we have a long history of NOT winning.
I hope all this is settled today. As I have said before I give us close to 0% chance of this appeal being successful. We tried but I can't see the NCAA making an exception for Ga. Southern. Time to move on, hope the Belt can get 4 teams bowling and pull like hell for the Belt teams that are going bowling to get some wins.
(12-01-2014 11:16 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 11:03 AM)slycat Wrote: [ -> ]I see your point. It's one reason I'm happy we have Houston and UTSA coming. Good crowds and beatable teams.
Exactly...
4-5 years from now I'd much rather have the ENTIRE nation talking about how a 12-0, or 11-1 ranked TXST team "didn't play" anyone
than to be perennially 8-4, unranked and still under the radar while only a handful of sun belt die-hards even notice that we took on a tough ooc schedule.
I'm convinced that the path to becoming the next Boise and closing the gap with P5 is by inflating w #'s early on, not competition.
This. People just want to see their team win. Play the dregs of FBS and rack up the wins.. you will close the gap faster to the larger programs by doing so (recruits will notice, donors open wallets) and eventually when it comes time to play on a national stage, you might just get the upset. It's the proven formula!
Lets take a look at Boise's success: they have been an 8 win team or better since 1998, 13 of those seasons were 10+ wins, 2 undefeated seasons, 9 bowl wins, 14 bowl invites, 2 Fiesta Bowl wins. It wasn't an overnight success, but winning brings in good recruits. Good recruits in a good system means a successful winning program which lead to their success in the end of their tenure in the Big West, entire period in the WAC, and their period in the MWC. Not all of those wins were against P5s, but there were a couple of notable P5 wins. By doing all of that you get a noticable reputation. But if you take that time period and compare it to Alabama, you can argue that Boise was more successful than Alabama even though the competition wasnt the same. So even though we would all love to be in Boise's situation, we need to understand that it takes continuous winning seasons (regardless of the competition) with big name OOC wins to get the program that way. So after 15+ years of winning, you get a reputation to be the best G5 program even though maybe your season wasnt as great as used to be.
(12-01-2014 12:25 PM)bobcat09 Wrote: [ -> ]Lets take a look at Boise's success: they have been an 8 win team or better since 1998, 13 of those seasons were 10+ wins, 2 undefeated seasons, 9 bowl wins, 14 bowl invites, 2 Fiesta Bowl wins. It wasn't an overnight success, but winning brings in good recruits. Good recruits in a good system means a successful winning program which lead to their success in the end of their tenure in the Big West, entire period in the WAC, and their period in the MWC. Not all of those wins were against P5s, but there were a couple of notable P5 wins. By doing all of that you get a noticable reputation. But if you take that time period and compare it to Alabama, you can argue that Boise was more successful than Alabama even though the competition wasnt the same. So even though we would all love to be in Boise's situation, we need to understand that it takes continuous winning seasons (regardless of the competition) with big name OOC wins to get the program that way. So after 15+ years of winning, you get a reputation to be the best G5 program even though maybe your season wasnt as great as used to be.
being 98-4 or whatever it is at home since 1998 certainly helps.
It is like they took the worst fans from WVU, LSU and Bama then dumped them in podunk Georgia and made them GaSo fans.
Instead of reading 20 pages, I'll state that if the MW get the Cactus bowl, that'll free up a bowl the MW will not be able to fulfill. Could be the Potato bowl vs MAC. Could be a Sun Belt or CUSA team that plays in the MW side.
(12-01-2014 07:48 AM)Baldy Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 12:44 AM)RedWolfington Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2014 11:53 PM)Baldy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2014 11:37 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote: [ -> ]I use to enjoy coming to this forum but almost every thread will get hijacked by GS posters. It sucks now. Congrats for ruining a good forum along with your championship
Here is where the thread got hijacked:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-715919-post-114...id11467413
The response to the hijack:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-715919-post-114...id11468012
No sorry. That simply isn't the case when what I said was on Page 3, with 13 pages since that post and only three posts by me. Now four.
You control what you post. You can, at any time, change the subject by posting about that subject. Really not sure how that's not understood.
It only takes one post to derail a thread. Congratulations.
The first 3 pages (until your missive) were civil, informative, an overall good discussion. Your post was either another shot across the bow or troll bait. It doesn't matter, you got the result you wanted. Again, congrats.
Nooo? No actually it takes people willing go KEEP it derailed. Otherwise, you're giving me some pretty serious power over you guys. I don't think you... realize what you say.
(12-01-2014 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of reading 20 pages, I'll state that if the MW get the Cactus bowl, that'll free up a bowl the MW will not be able to fulfill. Could be the Potato bowl vs MAC. Could be a Sun Belt or CUSA team that plays in the MW side.
If the Potato Bowl was left open, I could see them being appeasable to inviting Arkansas State because of our Boise connections.
I don't think it would actually happen, but its a thought.
(12-01-2014 01:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of reading 20 pages, I'll state that if the MW get the Cactus bowl, that'll free up a bowl the MW will not be able to fulfill. Could be the Potato bowl vs MAC. Could be a Sun Belt or CUSA team that plays in the MW side.
If the Potato Bowl was left open, I could see them being appeasable to inviting Arkansas State because of our Boise connections.
I don't think it would actually happen, but its a thought.
I was thinking more of Texas St as a possibility.
(12-01-2014 10:44 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2014 09:31 PM)RustonCAT Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts exactly. You Knew all year you were not going bowling even at 12-0.. The Ncaa has denied the waiver but Gaso appealed after conference tittle became clear. It won't help them rules clearly states only in shortage can a transition team participate. They have no leg to stand on.
Any one on this board that says they would not expect their school's administration to be doing the exact same thing if they were in our position is either lying or just simply being a troll. The only difference is we have a few overzealous posters on here, and have been labeled as arrogant whiners. Call us what you want, but you would be appealing too if it were your school.
Some of us can actually accept what reality gives us. It's called being an adult and understanding things won't always go our way. I wouldn't be necessarily mad if our admin did the same in your situation, but I would have the exact same opinion that it's us being "disruptive" in a juvenile way for no other reason than we happened to have a good win/loss record. Your admin should have brought this up at the beginning of your transition, or at the beginning of the season at the latest. Period.
I agree with the sentiment that it's a stupid rule to bar you guys and any other transition team from participating in a bowl in year one. But you guys bring it up at mid season? And extend that effort to the end of the season? And hold up potential invites to my school? Yeah, you're going to get backlash. In fact, its something you guys should have expected as soon as your admin announced an appeal. A bit foolish and self centered to think otherwise. Hence my perception of you GSU and GSU fans at this point. You're asking everyone to see it from your point of view, while refusing to even consider our point of view and why we might be a little upset.
(12-01-2014 01:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 01:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2014 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of reading 20 pages, I'll state that if the MW get the Cactus bowl, that'll free up a bowl the MW will not be able to fulfill. Could be the Potato bowl vs MAC. Could be a Sun Belt or CUSA team that plays in the MW side.
If the Potato Bowl was left open, I could see them being appeasable to inviting Arkansas State because of our Boise connections.
I don't think it would actually happen, but its a thought.
I was thinking more of Texas St as a possibility.
League would push us. No one would travel to Boise, so it would hurt Texas State for their first bowl to be miles away. We could survive such a trip because we've proven we can draw for a close game.