(09-10-2019 10:26 AM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:17 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:11 AM)cmett003 Wrote: [ -> ]
I have no issue with playing Liberty regularly but I thought the buy game last year was a one-time, special-occasion deal. ODU shouldn’t be taking buys against G5-level schools
What? Are you crazy? Liberty is of little value as a home game for us. But taking $800k for a winnable road game is big. We just need to shell out $100k for an FCS team at home in 2023 and we will net $700k (minus travel expenses) for that transaction. If we did a home-and-home with Liberty, there would be no net at all.
I like how people are calling Liberty a “winnable road game” when they beat the brakes off the Monarchs just last year.
There’s a reason that G5s don’t buy P5s or FCS schools don’t buy G5s. The power is observed in the team offering largesse, not the one taking it. Obviously Liberty isn’t an FCS school anymore, but ODU shouldn’t be treating them with that kind of deference. A school that has or had home-and-homes with Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest and ECU shouldn’t be taking money from a program that not three years ago was in a conference with Gardner-Webb and Charleston Southern. It’s a bad look. There’s money to be had out there without hurting your own brand in the process.
(09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:18 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]$800k for a winnable game is a huge win. Set aside the politics, they are playing football. Plus, sounds like those who went last time enjoys themselves (results aside). This is a huge win for ODU considering Liberty is probably trying to home/home with us.
My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Quote:It’s a difficult balance for us to play a competitive schedule and yet generate the revenue you need while balancing a non-conference schedule. You’ve got to be smart when these opportunities present themselves.
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Yes, perception is the downside. We can use this money for stadium improvements and/or coaching salaries though, something we still need. I'm down to keep doing this until we have our infrastructure in place.
Liberty is already outspending us when it comes to athletics (I think) so if we are going by money = perception then they are already 3rd. JMU might be up there somewhere too, if it weren't for their FCS tag. My point being, I'm not too concerned about the optics because if we don't improve upon the stadium/salaries sooner than later, Liberty might leapfrog us anyway (if they haven't already).
This sure as hell beats a $1M payday from a P5 school that would destroy/injure us. I thought this was a pretty smart move, taking advantage of Liberty's desperation of scheduling while independent.
Anyone have info on who are FCS game will be with next year?
Yaaaay! This gets announced in the same news cycle as Liberty bring exposed as a sham!! This is great timing and not at all terrible!!!
(09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:18 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]$800k for a winnable game is a huge win. Set aside the politics, they are playing football. Plus, sounds like those who went last time enjoys themselves (results aside). This is a huge win for ODU considering Liberty is probably trying to home/home with us.
My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Quote:It’s a difficult balance for us to play a competitive schedule and yet generate the revenue you need while balancing a non-conference schedule. You’ve got to be smart when these opportunities present themselves.
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
(09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:18 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]$800k for a winnable game is a huge win. Set aside the politics, they are playing football. Plus, sounds like those who went last time enjoys themselves (results aside). This is a huge win for ODU considering Liberty is probably trying to home/home with us.
My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Quote:It’s a difficult balance for us to play a competitive schedule and yet generate the revenue you need while balancing a non-conference schedule. You’ve got to be smart when these opportunities present themselves.
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
How do we know Kansas wouldn't accept a large check from UCF?
I think very few people care about the optics of it. Certainly not kids, recruits, coaches, etc. No recruit is going to chose Liberty because they heard Liberty paid to play ODU.
This happens all the time in college basketball and the team being bought goes out and wins. No one says "The P5 is better because they bought lowly Wichita State."
If Georgia State wants to pay us a million, I hope we gladly accept.
(09-10-2019 10:42 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ]Yaaaay! This gets announced in the same news cycle as Liberty bring exposed as a sham!! This is great timing and not at all terrible!!!
Heard the full deal was for $800k and some scantily clad pictures of Jerry Jr's wife. We didn't really want the latter but he kind of insisted.
(09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:18 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]$800k for a winnable game is a huge win. Set aside the politics, they are playing football. Plus, sounds like those who went last time enjoys themselves (results aside). This is a huge win for ODU considering Liberty is probably trying to home/home with us.
My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Quote:It’s a difficult balance for us to play a competitive schedule and yet generate the revenue you need while balancing a non-conference schedule. You’ve got to be smart when these opportunities present themselves.
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
It comes down to does the check clear and then adding insult to injury by being ready to play and win.
(09-10-2019 11:03 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:42 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: [ -> ]Yaaaay! This gets announced in the same news cycle as Liberty bring exposed as a sham!! This is great timing and not at all terrible!!!
Heard the full deal was for $800k and some scantily clad pictures of Jerry Jr's wife. We didn't really want the latter but he kind of insisted.
She’s not that hard on the eyes tbh
(09-10-2019 11:07 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:18 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]$800k for a winnable game is a huge win. Set aside the politics, they are playing football. Plus, sounds like those who went last time enjoys themselves (results aside). This is a huge win for ODU considering Liberty is probably trying to home/home with us.
My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Quote:It’s a difficult balance for us to play a competitive schedule and yet generate the revenue you need while balancing a non-conference schedule. You’ve got to be smart when these opportunities present themselves.
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
That’s the other thing: Is Liberty even buying anyone else in FBS?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/liberty/
I know they’re doing some 2-for-1s to get ACC schools to Lynchburg but straight-up buys? They’re playing a bunch of CUSA teams but they appear to all be home-and-homes. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Ball State are home-and-homes. ULM and Georgia Southern are home-and-home. So are UMass and Coastal Carolina.
Maybe I’m misreading this, but it appears that the only schools that Liberty has bought or is buying are ODU and FCS schools. Nice company we’re keeping.
We shouldn’t need Liberty to buy us. We’re not JMU.
Gotta say I agree with Cyniclone. The bought team in my mind at least, is always the sacrifial lamb. They are being paid by a dominant team to come in and take a licking to improve the superior teams record. Very poor optics to me. Would have preferred to leave it at H-H series and look for a payoff game against a larger, more prestigious team. Being associated as a body bag team to a school that should be seen as an equal is not an image building move.
(09-10-2019 11:26 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:07 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ]My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
That’s the other thing: Is Liberty even buying anyone else in FBS?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/liberty/
I know they’re doing some 2-for-1s to get ACC schools to Lynchburg but straight-up buys? They’re playing a bunch of CUSA teams but they appear to all be home-and-homes. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Ball State are home-and-homes. ULM and Georgia Southern are home-and-home. So are UMass and Coastal Carolina.
Maybe I’m misreading this, but it appears that the only schools that Liberty has bought or is buying are ODU and FCS schools. Nice company we’re keeping.
We shouldn’t need Liberty to buy us. We’re not JMU.
Stop the tantrum. Liberty paid us $1.3 because they played at Auburn and simply transferred that money to us to get a home game. My guess is that they will look for something similar to pay for the $800k.
And for us to get that kind of money for a program that does not have the P5 recruiting power behind it, and is a bus ride away (low travel expenses) where our fans can travel to, it's a no brainer.
BTW, better get used to buy games because we will see more of this in the near future with other sports. With the exception of volleyball improvements, we are done with capital improvements for a while and need to focus on coaches salaries and chartered flights for the teams. Chartered flights are becoming a necessary evil for recruits.
(09-10-2019 11:26 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:07 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:30 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ]My issue isn’t with politics, it’s with optics. You offer the buy game down, not up. Going to Liberty to kick off their FBS existence is one thing. Going there for cash on the regular indicates a shift in the balance of power. ODU and Liberty already have a home-and-home in 2021 and 2022. They could have easily arranged a home-and-home that starts there in 2023 and ends at ODU in 2024 or later.
This is a money move. Here’s the important Wood quote in the press release:
Liberty buying ODU like a Big South or MEAC program is a terrible precedent. It sends a message that ODU is already down to fourth in the Virginia FBS pecking order.
Maybe this is a unique circumstance too, but I don’t like the look of bending the knee to an FBS callup.
Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
That’s the other thing: Is Liberty even buying anyone else in FBS?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/liberty/
I know they’re doing some 2-for-1s to get ACC schools to Lynchburg but straight-up buys? They’re playing a bunch of CUSA teams but they appear to all be home-and-homes. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Ball State are home-and-homes. ULM and Georgia Southern are home-and-home. So are UMass and Coastal Carolina.
Maybe I’m misreading this, but it appears that the only schools that Liberty has bought or is buying are ODU and FCS schools. Nice company we’re keeping.
We shouldn’t need Liberty to buy us. We’re not JMU.
Or...Liberty wants us to play there so bad they are willing to pay 800k to make it happen.
This is meant with all kindness and respect to my ODU bretheren.
For those of you against taking the $800K, you forfeit the right to complain about our willingness to pay coaches, or assistants, practice facilities or stadium improvements.
Or, kindly suggest another way to make $800K for a bus trip away game because being in CUSA means not having the revenue opportunities afforded to others.
(09-10-2019 12:36 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote: [ -> ]Take the money and run!
And build a new North End Zone....we should play a few games against Bama or Clemson, take our loss, get paid, and rip that beast down ASAP.
(09-10-2019 11:56 AM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:26 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:07 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
That’s the other thing: Is Liberty even buying anyone else in FBS?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/liberty/
I know they’re doing some 2-for-1s to get ACC schools to Lynchburg but straight-up buys? They’re playing a bunch of CUSA teams but they appear to all be home-and-homes. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Ball State are home-and-homes. ULM and Georgia Southern are home-and-home. So are UMass and Coastal Carolina.
Maybe I’m misreading this, but it appears that the only schools that Liberty has bought or is buying are ODU and FCS schools. Nice company we’re keeping.
We shouldn’t need Liberty to buy us. We’re not JMU.
Stop the tantrum. Liberty paid us $1.3 because they played at Auburn and simply transferred that money to us to get a home game. My guess is that they will look for something similar to pay for the $800k.
And for us to get that kind of money for a program that does not have the P5 recruiting power behind it, and is a bus ride away (low travel expenses) where our fans can travel to, it's a no brainer.
BTW, better get used to buy games because we will see more of this in the near future with other sports. With the exception of volleyball improvements, we are done with capital improvements for a while and need to focus on coaches salaries and chartered flights for the teams. Chartered flights are becoming a necessary evil for recruits.
I'm having a discussion with people with similar interests on a topic in which we disagree. If that's your definition of a "tantrum," then that's your choice.
(09-10-2019 12:34 PM)Roy Munson Wrote: [ -> ]This is meant with all kindness and respect to my ODU bretheren.
For those of you against taking the $800K, you forfeit the right to complain about our willingness to pay coaches, or assistants, practice facilities or stadium improvements.
Or, kindly suggest another way to make $800K for a bus trip away game because being in CUSA means not having the revenue opportunities afforded to others.
Take a buy game against a school that actually is higher on the food chain? One that can offer more money and more exposure and doesn't make ODU look like they're elevating a peer school to a superior position?
Not wanting to get bought by a contemporary school is not the same as not wanting to get bought by anyone. I get that buys are an inevitability for most G5s. I liked that Wilder was adamantly against them at the onset but yes, at some point you have to take that bodybag game to make up for the lacking TV contract. But buys against schools that have been in FBS for two seasons are a different matter entirely.
If JMU moves up, offers a buy and we disagree with it, do we also forfeit the right to complain about money ever?
(09-10-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:26 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 11:07 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:45 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2019 10:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Bad optics to who? Does anyone really care if pays who in a buy game? Do you think recruits (or anyone for that matter) is going to say "Liberty must be the better program bc they are paying a buy game?"
There’s a reason you don’t see lesser programs buying better programs. There’s a reason you don’t see programs buy programs on their level. And it’s not even about on-field performance so much; UCF is legitimately better than at least 2/3rds of the P5, but none of their schools, not even Kansas, Wake Forest or Rutgers, would accept a buy game from them.
There is absolutely a message that gets sent, both at the fan and the institutional level, in a buy game. In the overwhelming majority of the cases, that message is “We are here, and you are down there.” I have no issues with associating with Liberty on the field or court, but I have serious concerns about establishing a relationship with them that has more in common with ODU’s relationship with UMES than one where they’re on equal footing.
Accepting buy games is a statement that we are not on their level. Fine if you’re doing it with Alabama and Clemson, more questionable if you’re doing it with Memphis and San Diego State, VERY questionable if you’re doing it with Texas State or Liberty.
Hell, Georgia State seems to be flashing the cash of late. Should we let them buy us?
It's likely more economic than status. There's very few G5 teams that could afford to buy other G5 games and none that it would make economic sense to do so. Liberty's the exception.
That’s the other thing: Is Liberty even buying anyone else in FBS?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/liberty/
I know they’re doing some 2-for-1s to get ACC schools to Lynchburg but straight-up buys? They’re playing a bunch of CUSA teams but they appear to all be home-and-homes. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Ball State are home-and-homes. ULM and Georgia Southern are home-and-home. So are UMass and Coastal Carolina.
Maybe I’m misreading this, but it appears that the only schools that Liberty has bought or is buying are ODU and FCS schools. Nice company we’re keeping.
We shouldn’t need Liberty to buy us. We’re not JMU.
Or...Liberty wants us to play there so bad they are willing to pay 800k to make it happen.
An honor only given to us and *checks notes* Maine, Hampton, North Carolina A&T, Campbell, and Gardner-Webb.
Either Liberty has really divergent tastes or we're willing to prostrate ourselves in a way that, as far as I can tell, no other FBS school is willing to do.
Again, I have no issue with Liberty, at least so far as sharing a field or court with them goes. But this isn't how you express a relationship of equals.