(06-01-2012 10:08 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2012 08:57 AM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2012 09:59 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]http://collegesportsinfo.com/conference-...ment-grid/
"Has been mentioned as a potential Big South candidate in near future."
So yes, there are discussions, just not what you want, I'm sure.
Why would conferences have interest in App State? It's not cheap to get there. The interest wouldn't be there unless they had success, and they have had success - a ton of it. And why? Support. Something ETSU hasn't had nearly as much of, especially in football when it existed. This is a stupid discussion. The other schools have likely had interest due to their locations. It's just a wee bit cheaper & easier to travel to Atlanta, Norfolk, & Charlotte as compared to Boone, NC. But go ahead & think you're right.
The Big South in the near future from this site? When was this carried in the news media? Did the Tri-Cities media miss this? Do you think the JC Press might have mentioned this? Why isn't this a hot topic of discussion on this board? This is news man, ETSU to the Big South in the near future. Is this your update as well? Again, show me a real, published news article on all the conference reshuffling that's going on that mentions ETSU.
damn dude, get that stick out your butt. Considering the Big South's footprint and ETSU location it is only natural that we would be conisidered for
membership. Don't think it said we had asked or been offered but it only makes sense we would be on the list. People on this board have brought
up the Big South as a possible place to go and the pros and cons have been debated before, it is nothing new, nothing big and certainly nothing to
get you panties in such a wad.
As for the source, collegesportsinfo is as credible as most any other source I have seen listed on here in regards to college sports. It is what they do.
You just want to ***** and moan and yell about a 11 million dollar budget, in fact this is the only post I can think of you have made in forever you haven't mentioned the budget but you made up for it with and extra helping of whining. Geez get over yourself and stop attacking people it is getting really old really fast and you haven't contributed anything substanstial in forever IF ever.
I stand by what I've said on here from day one. Instead of attacking me, dude, pick things I've stated and refute them. Go for it. I'll be glad to consider your critique of anything I've ever stated here. Show me where I'm wrong and I'll gladly acknowledge it. Enlighten me on the state of ETSU athletics and point out where my "bitching and moaning" hasn't contributed anything to defining the state of ETSU athletics. Be sure to offer an explanation of how the mention of the $11 million budget offends you so much. And, don't forget to get over yourself when writing your comments.
(06-02-2012 11:48 AM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]I stand by what I've said on here from day one. Instead of attacking me, dude, pick things I've stated and refute them. Go for it. I'll be glad to consider your critique of anything I've ever stated here. Show me where I'm wrong and I'll gladly acknowledge it. Enlighten me on the state of ETSU athletics and point out where my "bitching and moaning" hasn't contributed anything to defining the state of ETSU athletics. Be sure to offer an explanation of how the mention of the $11 million budget offends you so much. And, don't forget to get over yourself when writing your comments.
repost one suggestion you have made about anything. Every post you have made seem to be complaining about ETSU spends to much on athletics to not have football, well duh,,, we covered that, we know that.
or attacking someone else who posts something you don't agree, THEN pointing out how much ETSU spends again
GoBucsGo posted a link about conference reshuffling, it didn't fit what you want to believe so damnit, disregard it. Why hasn't Noland done something immediately about football!! I don't care of he running a State university with a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars, if he had done something the first day in office we could be having spring practice right now!!!!
Lets see how things play out, give the man time to get his bearings, regardless of what this board thinks are wants Athletics is not and should not be his top priority, ever.
BTW could someone tell me again what the athletic budget is?
(06-02-2012 12:42 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2012 11:48 AM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]I stand by what I've said on here from day one. Instead of attacking me, dude, pick things I've stated and refute them. Go for it. I'll be glad to consider your critique of anything I've ever stated here. Show me where I'm wrong and I'll gladly acknowledge it. Enlighten me on the state of ETSU athletics and point out where my "bitching and moaning" hasn't contributed anything to defining the state of ETSU athletics. Be sure to offer an explanation of how the mention of the $11 million budget offends you so much. And, don't forget to get over yourself when writing your comments.
repost one suggestion you have made about anything. Every post you have made seem to be complaining about ETSU spends to much on athletics to not have football, well duh,,, we covered that, we know that. or attacking someone else who posts something you don't agree, THEN pointing out how much ETSU spends again
GoBucsGo posted a link about conference reshuffling, it didn't fit what you want to believe so damnit, disregard it. Why hasn't Noland done something immediately about football!! I don't care of he running a State university with a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars, if he had done something the first day in office we could be having spring practice right now!!!! Lets see how things play out, give the man time to get his bearings, regardless of what this board thinks are wants Athletics is not and should not be his top priority, ever.
BTW could someone tell me again what the athletic budget is?
Suggestions? I've made a ton of them, perhaps you just missed them or failed to recognize them. So, you're saying that the ETSU athletic budget is off limits for discussion on this board because "we've covered that", we know that"? How the hell can anyone discuss ETSU athletics without talking about money -- the budget? Never once suggested that Noland do something immediately about football. That's way over the top and a complete fabrication. Didn't attack "Go", just disagreed with him as I ofter do. And, he often disagrees with me. What would make you think that anyone with half a brain would not understand what Noland is dealing with as a new state university president? Of course athletics is not his top priority. Who do you think you're lecturing anyway? Try reading for comprehension and context the posts on here before you go off half cocked making absurd accusations.
Rod- GoBucsGo is hardly a reputable source.
The guy who said "You just don't like David Mullins because he's the AD who dropped football?"
Uh, DUH!!!
I wonder when Cleveland will start shining up to Art Modell now . . . . .
CAA 'looking in every direction' for new members
RICHMOND, Va. --
In some ways, the Colonial Athletic Association's meetings Saturday through Thursday in Hilton Head, S.C., will be about direction.
Where is the conference headed in the wake of the immediate departure of Virginia Commonwealth to the Atlantic 10 and the future departures of Old Dominion (Conference USA in 2013) and Georgia State (Sun Belt in 2013)? And where will it look geographically to find replacements and possibly expand?
"We're looking in every direction," CAA commissioner Tom Yeager said.
The nine remaining all-sports members of the CAA, which will stretch from North Carolina to Massachusetts, are facing their most critical juncture since the league dwindled to six schools in 2001.
Yeager said there's "no rush to get to a certain number" that would solidify the conference and help protect it from further poaching.
"I think there's been some progression in looking at institutions that would be attractive to the CAA and vice versa," he said. "We're plowing through that process and actively talking to folks to see if there's any connection."
George Mason athletics director Tom O'Connor, whose school examined a move to the A-10, said CAA schools first must strengthen themselves.
"If you want to make a commitment to having a strong athletic conference, it starts with making a commitment by the institutions that are in the conference," he said. "And if you want to have, say, (strength) in men's or women's basketball, then you have to fund it properly and give the coach all the tools to be successful.
"In talking with the athletic directors, every (one) in the league has made that commitment. We want to move forward with all of our sports, but certainly there's a commitment with men's and women's basketball."
Yeager won't discuss potential candidates, but the strongest basketball additions seem to be in the South. Yeager declined to comment on an ESPN.com report that quoted Southern Conference commissioner John Iamarino as saying Yeager had contacted him about talking to some of his schools, presumably Davidson, the College of Charleston and Appalachian State, a football power.
There also are Coastal Carolina (Big South) in basketball and football, and, at the northern end, Boston University (America East) as a basketball addition.
Men's basketball likely will be the membership priority, but the CAA's football arm will be a factor.
CAA Football is a mix of schools (William and Mary, James Madison, Delaware and Towson) that play all sports, plus schools that are in the conference only for football.
By 2013, CAA Football will be down to eight members. League members want at least nine so they can play eight conference games.
The premier conference in FCS may look at some Northern schools, including Stony Brook, Albany or Monmouth, to help ease travel for Maine and New Hampshire.
William and Mary athletics director Terry Driscoll said he'd like to see a conference that is as "geographically manageable" as possible for travel and class-time reasons. But he suggested whatever the CAA does probably will take some compromise.
"I think the critical thing is if you get to a larger conference, 12 or more schools, you begin to get into either divisional play or things that can mitigate the travel costs over a large region," he said.
"Right now, I'm looking at the best quality we can get to try to reach the most obvious objectives, and that's really good basketball schools for the CAA and addressing the football issues of quality competition and geography that will allow us to retain what we have."
Yeager expects discussion of the CAA's bylaw that prohibits schools that are leaving the conference, such as ODU and Georgia State, from playing in its postseason tournaments (two-thirds vote required to overturn), as well as of an increased exit fee (currently $250,000).
tpearrell@timesdispatch.com (804) 649-6965
The Southern Conference has already had its meeting -- and sounded as if Davidson, CofC and App indicated they were not leaving (unless App gets an FBS invite). Is the CAA currently meeting? Is this the conference that Noland recently talked with? Think ETSU has a chance? They got to have new members.
Furthermore, no mention of ETSU in the CAA discussions. I've ranted about the irrelevancy of ETSU athletics with relation to these conference changes. I stand by that. The model that has been put in place over these last nine years greatly weakened ETSU for a time like now. However, Noland said at the BFFF golf tourney that ETSU is in the discussions. Of course that makes people wonder who he is talking with. With the CAA needing members and expressing it publicly, it's not much of a stretch to think that he very well could be talking with them. Any inside on any of this, even any rumors floating around in Johnson City?
I suspect that we are in fact talking to some of these conferences. I think the fact that the media is ignoring us is itself an indication of how pathetic we have become.
But ill say this too- the CAA without its top members might not be that attractive to ETSU other than the fact that they have football which would allow us to add it easier. But the Southern has this also and makes more regional sense.
I think the CAA is still attractive. George Mason is still solid and a lot of people thought Drexel deserved an at-large bid in this years NCAA tournament. Plus doesn't the CAA still have the NBC Sports Network television deal? That in itself is attractive.
With that being said, I also agree with both of the above posts how on nobody is mentioning ETSU in these discussions. I've been browsing the Socon and CAA message boards lately and NOBODY is mentioning ETSU as a replacement. Even our old Socon rivals are mentioning schools like Coastal, Kennesaw, etc. but not ole ETSU.
...because we don't have football.
So Pitt: As you say all the time, don't shoot the messenger!!! I simply cited a source mentioning that the Big South was looking @ ETSU. Now please, shoot down the source with your omniscient knowledge and objective analysis.
Would the CAA look @ ETSU seriously if the Bucs had football? Maybe, IF the Bucs WON, or were at least decent, they may be a bit more interested than if they sucked. Based on how well other TBR and UT regional schools have been doing lately in football (28-50 in 2011, 27-51 in 2010, combined records), my money would be on if the Bucs had football, it would suck. So it wouldn't matter one way or another. The problem is funding at the state level, which has been largely ignored in this forum. Everyone wants to yell about the fact that TN Tech won their first OVC title in 36 years, and were promptly bounced in the first round by Central Arkansas, and the game wasn't close (unless 34-14 is a nail biter). Central Arkansas was in their 2nd year of eligibility as an FCS member.
It has been made clear to me that on this board, the majority don't care one flip whether the Bucs would be good in football or not, simply that it should exist, which is a loser attitude if I have ever heard one. If it comes back, invest in it, support it, and make the team a good one. Don't just bring it back to have it exist, which is essentially what we had for the other 80 years. Noland sounds like he has interest. Better seize the moment.
Would ETSU fans rather have a football team that goes to the FCS playoffs and loses by three touchdowns in the playoffs to a new team or have no football at all?
I really don't think Tennessee Tech embarassed themselves this year, do you?
(06-06-2012 03:37 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]...because we don't have football.
Agree, without football, ETSU has fallen, especially in the eyes of peer institutions. Thus, we've dropped off their radar screens in times like these. Without a team, even one not doing that well, you lose a major bargaining chip, and this is amplified if you once had a team and dropped it while they see all these other schools adding it? Look at UNC-Charlotte, they have yet to play a down, and they are already receiving attention beyond all imagination (C-USA). Irrelevancy is ETSU's situation in all this. Note, ETSU was supposed to have overcome this handicap with an upgraded basketball program that would be getting the school attention and notice during times like these. (Well, we know where the money went instead) But, If this had of happened, it's not that far fetched to see the CAA actively seeking ETSU as a replacement for VCU now. We all know how that promise worked out.
(06-06-2012 07:26 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote: [ -> ]Would ETSU fans rather have a football team that goes to the FCS playoffs and loses by three touchdowns in the playoffs to a new team or have no football at all?
I really don't think Tennessee Tech embarassed themselves this year, do you?
:clap2:
I for one am not happy that all we hae to talk about right now is the tennis team finishing #72 in the final poll. BTW, why is that newsworthy on ETSUBUCS.com?
(06-06-2012 08:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-06-2012 03:37 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]...because we don't have football.
Agree, without football, ETSU has fallen, especially in the eyes of peer institutions. Thus, we've dropped off their radar screens in times like these. Without a team, even one not doing that well, you lose a major bargaining chip, and this is amplified if you once had a team and dropped it while they see all these other schools adding it? Look at UNC-Charlotte, they have yet to play a down, and they are already receiving attention beyond all imagination (C-USA). Irrelevancy is ETSU's situation in all this. Note, ETSU was supposed to have overcome this handicap with an upgraded basketball program that would be getting the school attention and notice during times like these. (Well, we know where the money went instead) But, If this had of happened, it's not that far fetched to see the CAA actively seeking ETSU as a replacement for VCU now. We all know how that promise worked out.
You know, I'm not buying this idea that a great basketball team will overcome the exposure of not having a football team.
Does Marquette, which had football until about 1960 or so, really have more "exposure" without a football program than they did with one? I recently read that Marquette was the largest Catholic university in the USA, and all I could think was "Really?"
Al McGuire, the Big East Conference, and the 1977 National Championship still isn't overcoming the fact this school is not on the sports page until November at the earliest.
Certainly the "Largest Catholic University in the USA" isn't as well known as Notre Dame or Boston College.
I think we all know why, and we also think that half the schools in the Big East seem to have something missing.
And it's rather obvious what that something is.
Oh, I'm for football, hands down. That's what's driving these conference changes as you know. But, with a better basketball outcome, just saying that maybe ETSU could be a stronger contender to replace another non-football school. Of course, the CAA could pick up a football school for that slot. Bottom line, ETSU blew it these past nine years and it very well could be coming home to roost now unless our new president is able to pull some rabbits out of hats.
(06-06-2012 10:03 PM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I'm for football, hands down. That's what's driving these conference changes as you know.
(except for Belmont going to the OVC)
(06-06-2012 08:09 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]the tennis team finishing #72 in the final poll. BTW, why is that newsworthy on ETSUBUCS.com?
You know, the obvious reasons would be because we have a tennis coach as AD, it's a national ranking (of sorts), yada-yada-yada.
But, even with all the behind-the-scenes tennis support, #72 ETSU is still not as good as conference rival North Florida...who finished #66 in the ITA.
Actually, Tech did embarrass themselves. They lost to a team who's only been playing at that level for 2 years. Central Arkansas turned around & were drubbed by Montana. This isn't even at the top level of football, mind you. If we were talking about the Bucs, you would call everyone a bunch of backwards rednecks for being happy with their performance. Oh wait, you already did.
However, ETSU fans should be embarrassed when they take a top basketball team (Division I-A, by the way) to the wire and are proud of their performance.
Just a wee bit of a double standard.
As I said - Noland went to a BFFF function. Better seize the moment and don't blow it being a bunch of backwards rednecks.
Actually for a program who has struggled as much as Tech has pre Watson Brown/Billy Taylor they had a hell of a year. You know what's sad about this? According to Coach Taylor who works at Tennessee Tech, he said they're fully funded AND Title IX compliant, and they do it with less money. How can that be? Could it be that Tennessee Tech has set up a preferred walk on program where they take kids who had HOPE dollars that have some football skill?
ETSU wasn't that bad at the end, and had the program not been cut that last team would've had a hell of a year. They went 5-7 with 50 guys (some playing both sides), hung with App, Eastern Michigan and clawed back into the Ga. Southern game (I think Gerald blocked about 10 punts in that one), etc... A full roster of players with that group and they beat EMU, Western, and Elon, and while I don't know that they would've won against Furman/Wofford that year, I think Ga. Southern/App's outcomes would've been different.
Back to Tech, there's FCS talent in Tennessee, Tech is winning with players largely recruited from Tennessee, using lottery dollars and other forms of aid to get them there and perhaps giving them partial scholly's to get more numbers.
The reason Belmont got into the OVC is because the OVC is in Nashville! They saw it as a chance to get another local college, which would increase tournament attendance, not to mention Belmont's a pretty good basketball team. The OVC took a nice jump having Murray St, Belmont and Morehead St., and TSU is starting to gain some momentum again. I wouldn't be shocked at all if for nothing more than having numbers that they don't pick up Lipscomb too, and if Trevecca goes all the way to Division I I'd say they'll take the Trojans.
We're back to bickering about the Big South, I've said it many times, I wouldn't mind it. Old friends with VMI, Campbell and Gardner Webb, nice border wars with UNC-A, G-W, Radford with two reasonable beach trips (Coastal/Charleston Southern). Travel costs are cut, fans have some familiarity with these schools that geographically close, and once football is back then it's a conference that ETSU can log some early wins in while they rebuild.
I know I've fussed about Skole/Devine logging wins but in football's case it works. Just ask Frank Beamer.