(01-12-2018 09:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: If I were him I might would think transfer after the season. I know he is a freshman so hes guaranteed nothing, but as a player on a team that only plays 7 guys, seeing their struggles in games against good teams, not seeing the floor in blowouts. Id really wonder WTF i needed to do to see the floor. I dont think hes a slacker either so why hasnt JJ played him more. If I were him I'd be wondering WTF i havent seen the floor and if this is how its going to play, Id rather go elsewhere for MINUTES.
He has played in plenty of blowouts, so not sure what you are talking about. If he transfers after his freshman year because of playing time his whole college career is shot. This post was a waste of time.
I don't see any of them transferring after this season but how would Hueitt's whole college career be shot? All three of our freshman have a redshirt year, giving them a year to sit out for transferring and 3 more years to play.
Darius Thompson did the same thing. Transferred to UVA after playing as a true freshman year at Tennessee. Redshirted and then played 2 years at UVA. Grad transferred to WKU.
(01-12-2018 09:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: If I were him I might would think transfer after the season. I know he is a freshman so hes guaranteed nothing, but as a player on a team that only plays 7 guys, seeing their struggles in games against good teams, not seeing the floor in blowouts. Id really wonder WTF i needed to do to see the floor. I dont think hes a slacker either so why hasnt JJ played him more. If I were him I'd be wondering WTF i havent seen the floor and if this is how its going to play, Id rather go elsewhere for MINUTES.
He has played in plenty of blowouts, so not sure what you are talking about. If he transfers after his freshman year because of playing time his whole college career is shot. This post was a waste of time.
4 mins against Charlotte...31 pt blowout.
3 mins against NSU....won by 11
6 mins against Bowling Green....42 pt blowout.
7 mins against Richmond....19 pt blowout.
5 mins against Indiana St....18 pt blowout.
0 mins against JMU....16 pt blowout.
Sh** aside from the UMES he has played nothing. Take the 21 mins from the UMES game and leave that one out. Over 15 other games we've played he's averaged 2.5 mins. Far from playing in "PLENTY".
Whole college career is shot? How the hell do you figure that? You replying was a waste of your time.
(01-12-2018 09:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: If I were him I might would think transfer after the season. I know he is a freshman so hes guaranteed nothing, but as a player on a team that only plays 7 guys, seeing their struggles in games against good teams, not seeing the floor in blowouts. Id really wonder WTF i needed to do to see the floor. I dont think hes a slacker either so why hasnt JJ played him more. If I were him I'd be wondering WTF i havent seen the floor and if this is how its going to play, Id rather go elsewhere for MINUTES.
Another reason why he should have redshirted. If he did, he could not transfer without losing a year of eligibility.
(01-12-2018 09:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: If I were him I might would think transfer after the season. I know he is a freshman so hes guaranteed nothing, but as a player on a team that only plays 7 guys, seeing their struggles in games against good teams, not seeing the floor in blowouts. Id really wonder WTF i needed to do to see the floor. I dont think hes a slacker either so why hasnt JJ played him more. If I were him I'd be wondering WTF i havent seen the floor and if this is how its going to play, Id rather go elsewhere for MINUTES.
If he wants minutes next year, he has to transfer down. So his options are to stay here and probably play a lot of minutes, transfer down, or transfer laterally and sit out the year.
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
Why are you assuming that he won't start over Green? From what I've seen, he's a much better offensive option than Green, rebounds better, and is just as good of a defender (both are average IMO). Green is a better ball handler and has more length, but I don't see those being obvious deal closers once the gap in experience is somewhat mitigated next season.
Even if he doesn't start, he'll get starter minutes--as Green will bounce between the 2 and 3.
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(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
Why are you assuming that he won't start over Green? From what I've seen, he's a much better offensive option than Green, rebounds better, and is just as good of a defender (both are average IMO). Green is a better ball handler and has more length, but I don't see those being obvious deal closers once the gap in experience is somewhat mitigated next season.
Even if he doesn't start, he'll get starter minutes--as Green will bounce between the 2 and 3.
If he is better than green in JJ's eyes why the hell isn't he playing? What would lead you to believe that JJ will decide to leapfrog him over the dude who is playing ahead of him this year, while contributing almost nothing?
More importantly, if Green follows the normal JJ progression, he will probably be a pretty good player for us next year and eat up 20+ minutes a game.
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
Talley played 23 mins per game as a freshman. Caver played 15 mins per game (despite backing up Freeman). Taylor played 27 mins per game. Baker played 18 mins per game. Moseley played 20 mins per game.
(01-12-2018 01:35 PM)T-Mac Wrote: He's going to be a starter next year. He isn't going anywhere.
I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
Talley played 23 mins per game as a freshman. Caver played 15 mins per game (despite backing up Freeman). Taylor played 27 mins per game. Baker played 18 mins per game. Moseley played 20 mins per game.
So you tell us then. When did Jones get away from playing freshmen and how well is that working out for him?
Most of those guys were from Jones' 1st or 2nd year. This many seasons into his tenure, he should have a much deeper lineup (depth) than he does. If Caver was a freshman on today's team playing behind his current self then he would probably be playing 15 minutes in reserve again.
I doubt that either Godwin or Hueitt are any less players as freshmen than Baker or Talley were. Taylor played out of necessity since even back then Jones was searching for interior players with some size.
I agree that Taylor and Baker played as freshman out of neccessity. That is a different case than today. Caver and Talley clearly earned it on better teams than those two. They played well and were productive players on good teams.
-When did Jones get away from playing freshmen and how well is that working out for him?
Im guessing that freshman that earn minutes in practice play and those that dont don't. It is working out well for him as we have a good team this year that will be competing for the conference title.
I don't think Godwin or Hueitt are lesser players than Baker, but as we mentioned, it was out of necessity. I think both are significantly worse than Talley, who I believe was an older freshman.
College basketball is bit different than the pros in the since that there are breaks every 4 minutes and the game is only 40 minutes. Teams can get away with playing 6 or 7 guys. (primarily needing to rest big guys) I think everyone would love Hueitt and/or Godwin to step up and earn some time and give our guys quality rest. I would guess the coaching staff does not believe either player is ready to do so and having a solid, 7 man rotation means they do not have to force the issue.
(01-12-2018 05:45 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: I agree that Taylor and Baker played as freshman out of neccessity. That is a different case than today. Caver and Talley clearly earned it on better teams than those two. They played well and were productive players on good teams.
-When did Jones get away from playing freshmen and how well is that working out for him?
Im guessing that freshman that earn minutes in practice play and those that dont don't. It is working out well for him as we have a good team this year that will be competing for the conference title.
I don't think Godwin or Hueitt are lesser players than Baker, but as we mentioned, it was out of necessity. I think both are significantly worse than Talley, who I believe was an older freshman.
College basketball is bit different than the pros in the since that there are breaks every 4 minutes and the game is only 40 minutes. Teams can get away with playing 6 or 7 guys. (primarily needing to rest big guys) I think everyone would love Hueitt and/or Godwin to step up and earn some time and give our guys quality rest. I would guess the coaching staff does not believe either player is ready to do so and having a solid, 7 man rotation means they do not have to force the issue.
Talley was a redshirt. He did not play until he practiced for a year. Same as X, likely same as MHJ and Godwin. Moseley also was a redshirt. That leaves Baker and Taylor, who played in JJ's first year out of necessity. Caver is the only one who really fits the narrative you are trying to paint, and he really played out of a lack of depth too.
(01-12-2018 01:38 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: I don't think he is going to transfer, but who is he going to start over. We lose Haynes, Green will take his spot, BJ and Caver will start... He does rebound well. Maybe he could start at the 4 since we don't have anybody to play there.
We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
Talley played 23 mins per game as a freshman. Caver played 15 mins per game (despite backing up Freeman). Taylor played 27 mins per game. Baker played 18 mins per game. Moseley played 20 mins per game.
So you tell us then. When did Jones get away from playing freshmen and how well is that working out for him?
Most of those guys were from Jones' 1st or 2nd year. This many seasons into his tenure, he should have a much deeper lineup (depth) than he does. If Caver was a freshman on today's team playing behind his current self then he would probably be playing 15 minutes in reserve again.
I doubt that either Godwin or Hueitt are any less players as freshmen than Baker or Talley were. Taylor played out of necessity since even back then Jones was searching for interior players with some size.
Baker was a defensive stopper the moment he walked on campus. That is the difference. Baker always got the other teams best backcourt player.
(01-12-2018 03:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote: We do have 2 big recruits coming in. Of course, as freshmen, they will likely ride the bench
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You need Freakin' Indiana Jones to find the Freshmen on Jeff Jones' bench. You know old JJ....never let a kid's talent get in the way of your "system".
Talley played 23 mins per game as a freshman. Caver played 15 mins per game (despite backing up Freeman). Taylor played 27 mins per game. Baker played 18 mins per game. Moseley played 20 mins per game.
So you tell us then. When did Jones get away from playing freshmen and how well is that working out for him?
Most of those guys were from Jones' 1st or 2nd year. This many seasons into his tenure, he should have a much deeper lineup (depth) than he does. If Caver was a freshman on today's team playing behind his current self then he would probably be playing 15 minutes in reserve again.
I doubt that either Godwin or Hueitt are any less players as freshmen than Baker or Talley were. Taylor played out of necessity since even back then Jones was searching for interior players with some size.
Baker was a defensive stopper the moment he walked on campus. That is the difference. Baker always got the other teams best backcourt player.
Baker sucked...terrible offensive player and below average defensive player...***** all you want at what I just said but I am right. Baker is the reason I think JJ is a poor judge of talent and fixates on certain players and forgets about other players.Allasane Kah sat the bench watching Baker play in front of him. Are you kidding me! Now we are playing 7 guys. Carver has the most god awful shot in D1 bball. Green is in a slump of all slumps and JJ is unwilling to play Huett or Godwin. Both better shooters than any of the starters.That's right I said any of the starters. Caver is struggling, Haynes, BJ, both shooting poorly. Branden plays well at home and disappears on the road. Porter is a stud. Best player we have. Sorry to ramble but if JJ doesn't start playing Huett and Godwin what do you think our chances are of winning 3 games in 3 nights come CUSA tournament time? President Broderick please do something because Wood isn't going to do a damn thing except get a pay check. Why not make him earn his money and take the action necessary to put ODU back on track to being a mid major powerhouse instead of a mid major middle of the pack nobody. WAKE UP!!!!!
