(12-01-2017 09:45 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 08:33 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  I don't care. I've learned to do without it. I haven't even watched the last two games since they are on espn3 only. I will watch again when they are on tv.

I just wish there would have been this much outrage when pastner was here destroying the program. There are posters here that never gave tubby a chance yet the same posters never said **** while pastner ran the program in the ground over multiple years. During this time, the u of m sent the message that basketball was no longer important.

If tubby has a contract that can't be bought out, who's fault is that? Did they not learn their lesson from the last coach?

You realize that Tubby inherited a team with 4 top 100 players and quickly turned it into a team with zero top 150 players? Yes, Pastner was bad, but at this point you can't even compare the two.

We have no talent on the way. Pastner never signed a player as lowly ranked as Vanover. Wake up.

Yes, i get it. Lawsons were a leftover problem from the pastner era and even with that so called "talent", they were not a ncaa tourney team. As anyone knows, when a new coach comes in you might lose some players.

And yes, i see the concern and the lack of talent, but honestly, i feel we were heading that way under pastner (minus the lawson hookup/multiple hostage issues).

I'm totally awake. We went from a nobody college team to perhaps a slightly lower level.

Btw, when did you finally get sick of pastner?

(12-01-2017 02:02 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:45 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 08:33 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  I don't care. I've learned to do without it. I haven't even watched the last two games since they are on espn3 only. I will watch again when they are on tv.

I just wish there would have been this much outrage when pastner was here destroying the program. There are posters here that never gave tubby a chance yet the same posters never said **** while pastner ran the program in the ground over multiple years. During this time, the u of m sent the message that basketball was no longer important.

If tubby has a contract that can't be bought out, who's fault is that? Did they not learn their lesson from the last coach?

You realize that Tubby inherited a team with 4 top 100 players and quickly turned it into a team with zero top 150 players? Yes, Pastner was bad, but at this point you can't even compare the two.

We have no talent on the way. Pastner never signed a player as lowly ranked as Vanover. Wake up.

Yes, i get it. Lawsons were a leftover problem from the pastner era and even with that so called "talent", they were not a ncaa tourney team. As anyone knows, when a new coach comes in you might lose some players.

And yes, i see the concern and the lack of talent, but honestly, i feel we were heading that way under pastner (minus the lawson hookup/multiple hostage issues).

I'm totally awake. We went from a nobody college team to perhaps a slightly lower level.

Btw, when did you finally get sick of pastner?

year 4 when he sat Joe for having one bad game in the Bahamas against VCU. It was clear to me then that he wasn't going to learn his lesson.

The Lawson stuff is so overblown.

(12-01-2017 03:01 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 02:02 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:45 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 08:33 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  I don't care. I've learned to do without it. I haven't even watched the last two games since they are on espn3 only. I will watch again when they are on tv.

I just wish there would have been this much outrage when pastner was here destroying the program. There are posters here that never gave tubby a chance yet the same posters never said **** while pastner ran the program in the ground over multiple years. During this time, the u of m sent the message that basketball was no longer important.

If tubby has a contract that can't be bought out, who's fault is that? Did they not learn their lesson from the last coach?

You realize that Tubby inherited a team with 4 top 100 players and quickly turned it into a team with zero top 150 players? Yes, Pastner was bad, but at this point you can't even compare the two.

We have no talent on the way. Pastner never signed a player as lowly ranked as Vanover. Wake up.

Yes, i get it. Lawsons were a leftover problem from the pastner era and even with that so called "talent", they were not a ncaa tourney team. As anyone knows, when a new coach comes in you might lose some players.

And yes, i see the concern and the lack of talent, but honestly, i feel we were heading that way under pastner (minus the lawson hookup/multiple hostage issues).

I'm totally awake. We went from a nobody college team to perhaps a slightly lower level.

Btw, when did you finally get sick of pastner?

year 4 when he sat Joe for having one bad game in the Bahamas against VCU. It was clear to me then that he wasn't going to learn his lesson.

The Lawson stuff is so overblown.

Speaking of sitting Joe, that’s the only reason I signed up for this board. The constant benching of Joe and the yo-yoing him in and out of games pissed me off.

Joe Jackson averaged 28.7 minutes per game here. His junior and senior years he averaged about 34.

(12-01-2017 03:10 PM)450bench Wrote:  Joe Jackson averaged 28.7 minutes per game here. His junior and senior years he averaged about 34.

I was referring to the VCU game (20 minutes) where he went 1-3 with 7 turnovers which was immediately followed by 7 minutes against Minnesota.

Josh jerked Joe around. He screwed with his head and benched him for long stretches. To pretend josh didn’t screw with Joe and his minutes is ridiculous. If you don’t like Joe, so be it, but Josh didn’t manage or treat Joe right. Separate your disdain for Joe.

(11-30-2017 10:48 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  it’s gonna get a lot worse.

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(12-01-2017 03:29 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 03:10 PM)450bench Wrote:  Joe Jackson averaged 28.7 minutes per game here. His junior and senior years he averaged about 34.

I was referring to the VCU game (20 minutes) where he went 1-3 with 7 turnovers which was immediately followed by 7 minutes against Minnesota.

Yeah, the 7 minutes against Minnesota was ridiculous...no doubt

(12-01-2017 03:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Josh jerked Joe around. He screwed with his head and benched him for long stretches. To pretend josh didn’t screw with Joe and his minutes is ridiculous. If you don’t like Joe, so be it, but Josh didn’t manage or treat Joe right. Separate your disdain for Joe.

pastner played Joe out of position, yes, and the benching against Minnesota was crazy but other than that I don't think he screwed with his minutes at all...I think he screwed around with Antonio Barton's minutes a whole lot more than Joe Jackson's.

(12-01-2017 05:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 03:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Josh jerked Joe around. He screwed with his head and benched him for long stretches. To pretend josh didn’t screw with Joe and his minutes is ridiculous. If you don’t like Joe, so be it, but Josh didn’t manage or treat Joe right. Separate your disdain for Joe.

pastner played Joe out of position, yes, and the benching against Minnesota was crazy but other than that I don't think he screwed with his minutes at all...I think he screwed around with Antonio Barton's minutes a whole lot more than Joe Jackson's.

We disagree then.

Kinda funny hearing someone say, "If we tell them loudly enough that basketball is important, maybe they'll do something" when most everyone on here has been telling them for several years that basketball doesn't matter, it's all about football.

(12-01-2017 08:26 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Nobody wants to be right about this. I’m not a negative fan, I’m yelling at the top of my lungs the same way I would be if a tidal wave was coming toward the shore. I’m utterly depressed and freaked out about this. If enough people know maybe we can stop it somehow.

To think that anyone would be okay with what this program is right now is beyond me. It’d be okay if it’s all highly rated freshmen that we just need to give time to, like when Larry had Ced and Chris in their freshmen year.

You're wrong about the "nobody" line. It has become obvious there are UTK, Old Miss, and even Miss State fans here who delight in our basketball problems. Plus, there are the 3-4 Pastner guys whose love for him has distorted their view so much, they clearly want his successor to fail.

Not that you're in either of those groups. But they are definitely here.

(12-01-2017 08:49 AM)ddramone Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 08:40 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  I'm surprised. I knew we'd be bad, but not this bad. This is Larry Porter basketball. No offense to the players either, they try.

Larry is a great guy and was in over his head. Tubby is NOT in over his head, he's coasting about as badly as I've seen a coach coast ever. When we hired him, my first words on this board were 'dreadful hire.' I understand why Tubby (and Saul) wanted to leave Lubbock, but it was obvious to me from Tubby's time in Minnesota and in Lubbock that he had checked out and was looking for some retirement $$$'s.

Coaching is incredible demanding profession and if you're not really, really committed you'll outhustled for recruiting and out-prepared during the season. The lack of talent on our roster is astonishing. The fact that we are losing Memphis HS recruits shows just how badly our program has fallen.

I think that is probably the biggest reason Opie was given such a long leash: the guy flat out hustles on the recruiting trail, no doubt about it. Boosters knew that Opie was still hustling on the recruiting trail.

Results are shaping up similarly to Porter. However, totally different cases. You're right, Porter was in over his head. He didn't know how to run a program. But he recruited his tail off, and started infusing talent that Fuente then developed.

Tubby knows exactly how to run a program. And I don't think he's coasting - although it does appear that way. He just can't get high level talent in today's world. He has a staff that doesn't pull weight equally. And his refusal to "play the game" - while admirable to a certain degree - is so rigid that it is damaging. And in Memphis recruiting, that issue is magnified.

At least those are my latest developed opinions from early recruiting, play YTD, and some recent discussions with a person I trust. Some of you got there sooner than I did. Kudos.