(07-28-2017 01:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: What if there isn't?
Should be pretty obvious by, say 2035. The law can be revamped, at that time, if need be.
Yet, in your infinite wisdom, you shut down further oil exploration and investment in 2018. So, in 2040, you don't have options and you don't have any solutions. You screwed the pooch.
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(07-28-2017 01:39 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: Hey my friend sells commercial properties and that sometimes requires him to drive 300+ miles one way to show a building and then home that night. So not zero.
It's impossible for him to achieve that with a 500mi range car? Of course you know that's false. That proves my point.
300+ miles one way is 600 miles roundrip > the range of a 500 mile car.
And millenials are poorer at this point in their lifetime than previous generations. They are more urban focused than previous generations. Are not marrying or having kids at the same rates as previous generations. It's a very different generation
(07-28-2017 03:18 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote: 300+ miles one way is 600 miles roundrip
He didn't say there were no gas stations on the entire route, that would be just stupid.
You are right as that wasn't the issue. The issue was you implying an electric car with a 500 mile range works for a 600 mile round trip. That was the context of his point. Don't try to be cute.
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(07-28-2017 11:03 AM)MplsBison Wrote: We're basically there now, with Tesla ranges well into 2xx miles, and it's 2017.
Pretty much zero chance that they won't be equivalent or better by 2040.
I predict that Telsa will not exist in 2040.
I think the car industry is going to peak around 10-15 years from now. Maybe 20 if they are lucky. Millennials have a completely different attitude towards cars. They live closer to public transportation and they don't have the disposable income of previous generations to afford one. At the very least you will see cars being shared among more people. But at worst:
Uber should scare the **** out of car companies. Now combine Uber with a self-driving car and you knock out easily 75% of car customers. You buy a car and treat it like a 2nd home that you rent out. just imagine sitting in your living room while your car pays its own bills by acting as a taxi.
I don't think it is safe to assume that the millennials will act that way forever though. Their generation will likely also experience a desire for a lawn when they really start to have kids, etc. Plus, most of things you mention work well only in very densely populated areas.
This is what a lot of people don't get... millennials have delayed growing up for a good long time but eventually they will start their families en mass and the tiny condo in the city on the light rail line with an occasional uber lift is going to look a lot less appealing than the burbs and a proper car.
(07-28-2017 02:33 PM)john01992 Wrote: I think it's very safe to assume that. Millennials spend huge amounts of money on gadgets that didn't exist 20 years ago on top of being a poorer generation. the disposable income simply isn't there like it used to be.
You start a family and things change Johnny. My wife and I used to get a nice new laptop and cell phone about every 18 months or so. Now my wife is rocking a 36 month old bargain basement laptop and a phone that's been obsolete for three generation. I have a decent phone because work provides it but I don't even have a laptop. I use a dinki tablet.
When we bought a new tv we shopped around for one that we could get for a song. 10 years ago we would have picked our TV and found the best price for it, now we set our budget and kept looking until we found something that fit into that.
Quote:and yes they enjoy living in high population density areas and I can't see how you can argue that would change. why would it?
Kids John, kids... If I did not have kids I don't think I'd want the yard I have and I could live in a home a third to half the size of the one I'm in.
Quote:in my city (which is no means a large city but still a city) a lot of companies are moving downtown because they want to attract young workers and to do that they need to be in the city rather than in the suburbs.
That's short sighted, unless their plan is to never have middle aged people with a family working for them.
(07-28-2017 01:39 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: You have yet to list *1* new technology responsible from the fuel efficiency changes between 1970 and 1983.
I already did and you ignored it. Classic Bull.
No, you did not, you said lighter and more streamlined... Those were not *NEW* technologies by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote:By your own definition, a manufacturing process is a collection of techniques, technology. Every time a new model comes out, by definition new technology has been created to mass produce the new model.
Slapping testicles on a trailer hitch is not "new technology".
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(07-28-2017 01:39 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: Unitary and related operators on tensor products of Hilbert spaces are liner and appear in nature....
What system is perfectly linear over its entire parameter space? None
1 - Unitary and related operators on tensor products of Hilbert spaces
2 - Are you familiar with the term SEm? If not than you trying to question my engineering credential is hilarious.
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(07-28-2017 01:39 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: And pray tell in what vehicle is gas pumped out of a take at that value...
I'm talking real measured performance characteristics that are within the margin of observational error
Exactly my point. What you were describing with batteries would be well outside the operating region in a commercial product.
No, it's not, not even close to being outside of consideration. These are real known effects on commercial batteries, measurable and proportionally significant loss of overall power ... Where as a gas take that empties 6% of it's capacity per minute is not.
You know what, you're trolling like you did months ago and I just need to put you on ignore again.
(07-28-2017 11:03 AM)MplsBison Wrote: We're basically there now, with Tesla ranges well into 2xx miles, and it's 2017.
Pretty much zero chance that they won't be equivalent or better by 2040.
I predict that Telsa will not exist in 2040.
I think the car industry is going to peak around 10-15 years from now. Maybe 20 if they are lucky. Millennials have a completely different attitude towards cars. They live closer to public transportation and they don't have the disposable income of previous generations to afford one. At the very least you will see cars being shared among more people. But at worst:
Uber should scare the **** out of car companies. Now combine Uber with a self-driving car and you knock out easily 75% of car customers. You buy a car and treat it like a 2nd home that you rent out. just imagine sitting in your living room while your car pays its own bills by acting as a taxi.
I don't think it is safe to assume that the millennials will act that way forever though. Their generation will likely also experience a desire for a lawn when they really start to have kids, etc. Plus, most of things you mention work well only in very densely populated areas.
This is what a lot of people don't get... millennials have delayed growing up for a good long time but eventually they will start their families en mass and the tiny condo in the city on the light rail line with an occasional uber lift is going to look a lot less appealing than the burbs and a proper car.
I believe it is the fault of parents in the delay. We coddled the hell out of our kids, gave them too much access to our incomes and gave them participation trophies for half assed efforts. We delayed their adulthoods and now are seeing the consequences of it. I do however believe that eventually the reality of life will reel them back in.
(07-29-2017 08:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I believe it is the fault of parents in the delay. We coddled the hell out of our kids, gave them too much access to our incomes and gave them participation trophies for half assed efforts. We delayed their adulthoods and now are seeing the consequences of it. I do however believe that eventually the reality of life will reel them back in.
As true as most of this is, at some point you can't keep blaming your parents. A 30 year old man child who is still trying to find himself can't blame mom and dad anymore.
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(07-29-2017 08:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I believe it is the fault of parents in the delay. We coddled the hell out of our kids, gave them too much access to our incomes and gave them participation trophies for half assed efforts. We delayed their adulthoods and now are seeing the consequences of it. I do however believe that eventually the reality of life will reel them back in.
As true as most of this is, at some point you can't keep blaming your parents. A 30 year old man child who is still trying to find himself can't blame mom and dad anymore.
True...Unless that 30 year old is still at home playing video games instead of joining the real world. At some point an adult in the house has to step in and cut the damn apron strings. Ive seen this multiple times with friends of mine. It finally took kicking them out of the house to get their lives started.
Chess, I only saw one time in that video where they claimed the recharge was as fast as a fuel tank fill, and he didn't supply anything that backed up that claim (or if he did I missed it).
Chess, I only saw one time in that video where they claimed the recharge was as fast as a fuel tank fill, and he didn't supply anything that backed up that claim (or if he did I missed it).
