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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Shammond Williams, the coach who resigned, is his godfather.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Meanwhile if your head coach decided to leave 10 mins from now he's gone. Thus screwing over all players, coaches, assistants, and anyone else tied to his regime.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-09-2017 09:19 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Meanwhile if your head coach decided to leave 10 mins from now he's gone. Thus screwing over all players, coaches, assistants, and anyone else tied to his regime.

That's a problem.

But free agency for high school athletes, who want to renege on their commitment to the school, will not make the coach-departure problem better. It will only exacerbate it.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-09-2017 09:57 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 09:19 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Meanwhile if your head coach decided to leave 10 mins from now he's gone. Thus screwing over all players, coaches, assistants, and anyone else tied to his regime.

That's a problem.

But free agency for high school athletes, who want to renege on their commitment to the school, will not make the coach-departure problem better. It will only exacerbate it.
Not to mention, when your coach leaves, there is financial compensation.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-09-2017 09:13 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Shammond Williams, the coach who resigned, is his godfather.

This is not a hill that I plan to die on. I hope that Mr. Robinson plays for WKU this year, and is a part of finally turning us into a 2-bid conference. But, if he doesn't, I will waste all of three seconds feeling sorry for WKU fans, and then go back to looking forward to the eventual (can't get here soon enough) start of another CUSA mbb season.

But, to respond to your point, S. Williams will still be his godfather even if he is not also one of his freshman-year coaches. Just like his mom will still be his mom and his grandpa will still be his grandpa.

Unless Coach Williams is leaving for medical or personal-trauma reasons, I can't work up much sympathy for a top-flight recruit who thinks he's better than the program to which he made a personal commitment.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
AdoptedMonarch you wouldn't last to long as an AD, you let your emotions play to much in what is now a big business.

Even if WKU doesn't release him, do you think that's going to make him rethink about going to WKU, if he truly doesn't want to go to school. I doubt that. And even if he does go to WKU the kid is going to be a 1 and done, NBA Mock drafts already have him projected as a lottery pick next season. So he is not someone you are going to build a team around.

It appears that Stansbury is doing the same thing Mike Rhodes done at Rice, only faster. He's building a house of cards to get his next job the fastest way he can. Even if Stansbury can parlay this recruiting class into a top 3-4 in CUSA then the chances of him getting an offer from a P5 conference job goes up big time. If he can change last years 15-17 record into a 24-26 win team next year then he will be gone and I hate to say if for WKU they will be right back were they were when Ray Harper left.

And if Stansbury does get a job after this season, I don't see but maybe 1 player sticking around from this recruiting class and playing in 18-19 for WKU. You will see a mass exodus like you did at Rice this off season.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
I freely concede your point that I am not AD material. Heck, I'm not even concession stand material.

But I don't understand how the rest of what you wrote relates to the question posed, and to which I was responding: should or should not WKU grant a release to Mitchell Robinson, short of a legitimate family or medical reason?

I agree, M.R. is a one-and-done player. I have no idea if Coach Stansbury is angling to bolt from Bowling Green at the end of this season, but it wouldn't surprise me if he is. Assuming he leaves, I agree that it is likely that many of his recruits will choose to test the transfer market.

But all of that, even assuming it's so, is either neutral or yet another reason why the school ought not grant M.R. his release. Am I missing something?
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-09-2017 09:57 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 09:19 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

Meanwhile if your head coach decided to leave 10 mins from now he's gone. Thus screwing over all players, coaches, assistants, and anyone else tied to his regime.

That's a problem.

But free agency for high school athletes, who want to renege on their commitment to the school, will not make the coach-departure problem better. It will only exacerbate it.

Well players deciding to not want to play at a school and go elsewhere or not at all should be their choice up until they officially are part of the team. Then if they want to transfer they should be able to do so anywhere they want after sitting out a year. If they choose not to play sports anymore in college then so be it.

Life happens. Life shouldn't be purposely blocked from happening just because someone else doesn't like what's happening.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-09-2017 01:02 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I freely concede your point that I am not AD material. Heck, I'm not even concession stand material.

But I don't understand how the rest of what you wrote relates to the question posed, and to which I was responding: should or should not WKU grant a release to Mitchell Robinson, short of a legitimate family or medical reason?

I agree, M.R. is a one-and-done player. I have no idea if Coach Stansbury is angling to bolt from Bowling Green at the end of this season, but it wouldn't surprise me if he is. Assuming he leaves, I agree that it is likely that many of his recruits will choose to test the transfer market.

But all of that, even assuming it's so, is either neutral or yet another reason why the school ought not grant M.R. his release. Am I missing something?

I've listened to arguments on both sides of releasing a player or not. I agree that he should NOT be released. When all this mess was in full conflagration yesterday I texted someone I know in the administration and asked if we would grant one. They told me there was no way we were going to.

And that's the answer I wanted to hear. This was not a situation where we lost a coach and trying to hold on to his players. Yes, you could technically hold those kids to their LOIs as well. They signed with the school. But most all schools let those kids go. This was different. He committed to A&M a couple years ago when Stansbury was his main recruiter there. He committed to Western when Stans got the job and hired his godfather Shammond Williams.

I'm not mad at this kid. He's an 18 year old kid from Louisiana. He's not had people on his jock since he was 12 like Lebron did. He was late onto the scene as a projected lottery pick. He seems like a humble kid. But I can almost guarantee that Shammond was in his ear and guarantee that he has a list of leeches on him you can't count pulling him in every direction. Don't doubt for a minute there's not an LSU booster offering to throw anything at him if he only gets out of his LOI.

From everything I've heard Stansbury went down there and talked to his mom. It's easy to lay out. Your son is still going to be a lottery pick. We're not going to release him. Send him up there to me and I'll take care of him. That money will be there whether he plays at Western or LSU. I seriously doubt his mom was interested in him going to China as was rumored. That crap was coming from 'handlers and leeches'.

I always have said I'll get excited when I see them in a Western uniform checking into a legit basketball game. Not before. I wasn't nervous when all this was going on. I've been critical of Stans as an in game coach but he's exceeded everything on the recruiting front. I had a gut feeling he'd go down there and do work and bring him back. He did.

Still a lot of time left for it go wrong. I'm still gonna wait for that checkin to a real game doe.
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I'm at the point if stand leaves that's ok with me as long as this year is awesome! So I want everyone here to play this year. Let the future worry about itself. I don't want stans to leave but it's his choice if he does. But I want this year to be rocking in diddle
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