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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Horse dump is what i call it. So Kids are tied to coaches, even worse assistant coaches? The school pays for the kid and offers him education not the assistant coach. I am hating the current landscape of collegiate sports. Kids sign the letters after a lot of effort from the coaches and some good money spent by the school and the kid gets to leave because his bed isn't as soft as it was at home. I hope WKU doesn't grant this kid waiver and let him leave.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Lol. Say ODU signs a kid in the November signing period and then blows up his senior year. UVA or VA Tech come calling in the spring. ODU just gonna let him out of his LOI? According to you, yes. BC it is BS because Jeff Jones can up and leave at a moments notice.

Did you know that Mitchell Robinson verballed to Texas A&M before he verballed then signed with Western? Can you tell me who was the assistant at A&M that recruited him there? Was it Rick Stansbury or Shammond Williams? He committed because of his relationship at the time with Rick. I don't think Shammond was even in the coaching game at the time. May have still been with Tulane.

Rick hired Shammond and Quannas White from the Tulane staff. Did that help? Sure it did. Shammond got fired for being a d!ck. That's not what was released but I heard too many examples of it. All this speculation started after Shammond was fired. Who do you think was in MR's ear?

Stans goes down and talks to MR and his mom and he arrives in BG the next day. But according to you Rick shouldn't have played the LOI card??? Really???
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-10-2017 10:06 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Horse dump is what i call it. So Kids are tied to coaches, even worse assistant coaches? The school pays for the kid and offers him education not the assistant coach. I am hating the current landscape of collegiate sports. Kids sign the letters after a lot of effort from the coaches and some good money spent by the school and the kid gets to leave because his bed isn't as soft as it was at home. I hope WKU doesn't grant this kid waiver and let him leave.

The kid is a 1 and done. Do you really think he actually wants an education. Not a chance in hell.

This is where I think the D-League well now the G-League should be used by the NBA. If the NBA doesn't want players until they are a year out of HS then this is what they need to do. The new structured G-League every team will have a team in the league by 2019. You drop the age limit on kids and let them be drafted. Then that team that drafts the HS kid assigns him to their G-League team for a year or 2 on a guarantee contract that he will be brought up in that time frame.

If the NBA would do something like this they could have a true minor league system just like hockey does and even be able to call a player up or send them down. But then again I don't have that much faith on anything the NBA.

(07-09-2017 06:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I don't buy the Rhoades/Stansbury connection at all. First of all, Rhoades only would have gone back to VCU. He had other offers at Rice that he turned down (including VCU 2 years ago). But the mass exodus would have happened even if Rhoades had stayed - the problem is that college basketball players either want to play in front of a crowd or closer to home if they aren't in front of big crowds. And we had guys leave for both reasons. Two of our six guys who left graduated from Rice. A third is going to Howard to go pre-med since he can't be pre-med at Rice (although he could have easily taken a similar academic load).

Stansbury has been a D1 head coach before (Mississippi State), and probably has done shaky recruiting staff in his past too.

There is a difference between building a team with solid recruiting in identifying sleepers that the bigger schools miss out. And hiring assistant coaches/handlers to pull in an occasional top recruit.

We've done that too with Ben Braun bringing in Marcos Morcos as an assistant - that was a disaster. And hiring Todd Graham in football too. Compare Stansbury to either of those, and you're closer to the truth.

I do agree that they shouldn't release him from his scholarship but I also wonder if the kid will spill some dirt on Stansbury if they don't.

Rice may have had a few transfers had Rhodes still been at Rice. That's a given each year at each school. If it be the kid is homesick, just realizes college isn't for him/her or a different number of reasons. But you wouldn't have had the mass exodus of 8 players, again 4 which were starters.

Part of that reasoning is why I like D'Antoni's recruiting. The players he has, here is a list of their homes:

West Virginia - 5 listed, Jon Elmore, Rondale Watson, CJ Burks, Jarrod West, Phil Bledsoe (8 come the fall, 3 walkons from WV)
Kentucky - 1 Christian Thienman
North Carolina - 2 Terrence Thompson, Iran Bennett
Georgia - 1 Jannson Williams
Virginia - 2 Darius George, Tanner Robinette
International - 3 Ajdin Penava (Bosnia & Herzegovina), Dani Koljinin (Croatia), Milan Mijovic (Serbia)

Besides our 3 international players all of our recruits except for Jannson Williams is less than 5 1/2 hours from home, also Jannson is only 7 1/2 hours away in Newman GA. Dan also lets his international players go home for a month and half during the summer. Both Penava and Mijovic are home and expected back at the end of the month. Koljinin who is from Croatia decided to stay in Huntington and work on his game and learn more about the system Dan has since he just joined the team.

Your sleepers or unknowns aren't just right. Marcus Evans was very well known 3 years before he was a recruit. As a recruit though the kid didn't have the measurable that a P5 want. At the time he was barely 6'1 and 165#. Most P5s look for 6'4 185-200 for their PG. He would probably still be looked over now at 6'2 195, if Rhodes had not got the Rice Job in March of 2014, Evans would have committed to VCU because of the relationship with Rhodes. Lecter Ellis had a ton of offers from UTEP to Clemson and Oaklahoma. The only real sleeper of your 1st class was Jeremy Jones.


(07-09-2017 06:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  In response to Herdzone, Comparing Rice to WKU basketball is a mistake to begin with....No offense but Western not playing in a high school gym and have way better facilities and tradition then Rice hoops has to offer ...We have rarely lost a player to go to a P5 school or even a grad transfer...Not saying it will never happen at WKU just less likely to happen at Western...As far as Stansbury leaving not naive enough to say it will not happen but anyone that has success in this conference is gone but if some were to stay an older guy like Stansbury at a tradition rich program at WKU has a lot better chance to keep a coach in basketball than most other schools in this conference does..

Also just stop the BS lazy Jeff Goodman Stansbury is cheating crap....Some of you seriously think Stans and WKU are paying off players? You think we could pay more than these P5 schools? Some of you sound ridiculous....Now I am not saying we don't bend or stretch or do whatever we can but that's almost all schools...I got into a conversion with Goodman on twitter and he said no one is surprised he is getting top 10 talent at WKU, he is known as a bad ass recruiter in coaching circles...For those who continue to take jabs at him that he cheats do us all a favor and provide proof, we will all wait!

Here is the parallels:

Both Mike Rhodes and Rick Stansbury are/where building a house to get another job. Once they get that job the house of cards they built will crumble.

Where they are miles apart is Mike Rhodes is likable and Id put Rick Stansbury in the category of slimy next to Calipari, Huggins, Pitino, Boeheim and Dean Smith.
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RE: Mitchell Robinson not going to WKU or is he?
(07-10-2017 10:06 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Horse dump is what i call it. So Kids are tied to coaches, even worse assistant coaches? The school pays for the kid and offers him education not the assistant coach. I am hating the current landscape of collegiate sports. Kids sign the letters after a lot of effort from the coaches and some good money spent by the school and the kid gets to leave because his bed isn't as soft as it was at home. I hope WKU doesn't grant this kid waiver and let him leave.

You think kids pick a school based on the school? They pick whatever coaches they like best. You can love school, but if you cant stand your coaches, you are probably going to lose your scholarship or be miserable.
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(07-10-2017 10:13 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Lol. Say ODU signs a kid in the November signing period and then blows up his senior year. UVA or VA Tech come calling in the spring. ODU just gonna let him out of his LOI? According to you, yes. BC it is BS because Jeff Jones can up and leave at a moments notice.

Did you know that Mitchell Robinson verballed to Texas A&M before he verballed then signed with Western? Can you tell me who was the assistant at A&M that recruited him there? Was it Rick Stansbury or Shammond Williams? He committed because of his relationship at the time with Rick. I don't think Shammond was even in the coaching game at the time. May have still been with Tulane.

Rick hired Shammond and Quannas White from the Tulane staff. Did that help? Sure it did. Shammond got fired for being a d!ck. That's not what was released but I heard too many examples of it. All this speculation started after Shammond was fired. Who do you think was in MR's ear?

Stans goes down and talks to MR and his mom and he arrives in BG the next day. But according to you Rick shouldn't have played the LOI card??? Really???


ODU should and has let kids out of their LOI. ODU let Tre Evans out of his scholarship last year as long as he didn't go to another CUSA school or Tulsa.

You really don't think Shammond Williams had anything to do with Robinson signing with WKY? Since we are talking about letting kids or not letting kids out of their LOI, do you really think it is productive to have a kid play on your team that has no interest in playing for your school? Good luck winning anything with that.
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To bring this thread back, reports confirmed that Mitchell Robinson and Jordan Brangers are on campus this morning attending class.

Glad for CUSA and cant wait for MT to embarrass Western again.
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(07-10-2017 11:39 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Here is the parallels:

Both Mike Rhodes and Rick Stansbury are/where building a house to get another job. Once they get that job the house of cards they built will crumble.

Where they are miles apart is Mike Rhodes is likable and Id put Rick Stansbury in the category of slimy next to Calipari, Huggins, Pitino, Boeheim and Dean Smith.

If recruiting 4 & 5 star freshman is building a house of cards then call Kevin Spacey and sign me up. You put together the best class you can. Robinson would likely be 1 & done regardless where he goes. Even without him they'd have the most talented incoming class in the conference. Most with several if not 4 years to play. If Stans can keep this class together and they make some noise then he'll probably get some good offers and may leave and some of his players may leave as well. But to me that's not building a house of cards. It's not like he brought in all JUCO's and grad transfers to have one or two good years and leave the cabinet empty. That's a house of cards in my book.
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(07-10-2017 11:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:13 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 07:48 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  It's never good to refuse to release. That can backfire bigtime.

Who can blame Robinson for wanting to leave when Shammond Williams resigned. You have to think that cutting Damari Parris from the team on the last day set off this chain of events. Williams had been working with Parris extensively.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.

Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Lol. Say ODU signs a kid in the November signing period and then blows up his senior year. UVA or VA Tech come calling in the spring. ODU just gonna let him out of his LOI? According to you, yes. BC it is BS because Jeff Jones can up and leave at a moments notice.

Did you know that Mitchell Robinson verballed to Texas A&M before he verballed then signed with Western? Can you tell me who was the assistant at A&M that recruited him there? Was it Rick Stansbury or Shammond Williams? He committed because of his relationship at the time with Rick. I don't think Shammond was even in the coaching game at the time. May have still been with Tulane.

Rick hired Shammond and Quannas White from the Tulane staff. Did that help? Sure it did. Shammond got fired for being a d!ck. That's not what was released but I heard too many examples of it. All this speculation started after Shammond was fired. Who do you think was in MR's ear?

Stans goes down and talks to MR and his mom and he arrives in BG the next day. But according to you Rick shouldn't have played the LOI card??? Really???


ODU should and has let kids out of their LOI. ODU let Tre Evans out of his scholarship last year as long as he didn't go to another CUSA school or Tulsa.

You really don't think Shammond Williams had anything to do with Robinson signing with WKY? Since we are talking about letting kids or not letting kids out of their LOI, do you really think it is productive to have a kid play on your team that has no interest in playing for your school? Good luck winning anything with that.

Did you not read my post. Look at the bolded part.

Nobody has ever heard of Tre Evans. I had to google him to find out he was a 3 star 77. Mitchell Robinson is a 5 star 95. As Bob Euker said in Major League "Juuuuuust a little bit outside"

No interest in playing for the school? He came in yesterday. He was in Diddle Arena last night fooling around. This is not a bad kid. He had bad people in his ears. His mom took care of that mess. For now.

But these hangers on (leeches) and questionable coaches.....looking directly at you LSU won't give up easy.
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(07-10-2017 12:57 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 11:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:13 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Why not?

I've seen that stated many times, but I've never understood why it is assumed that a school will just rollover and grant a release whenever some kid (who has taken away a scholarship opportunity from someone else) has a change of heart.

I understand family circumstances. I understand a change in head coach. But a change in assistant coach?

Unless there's something more to the story, I'm glad that WKU refused the release.

BC it is BS. Coach can up and leave at a moments notice. Robinson committed, Im sure, to promises made and a relationship with Williams (and others). Why should he have to stay if WKY doesn't hold their end of the bargain?

Also, it probably hurts a school in the future if they refuse to grant release. Kids may choose to go elsewhere.

Lol. Say ODU signs a kid in the November signing period and then blows up his senior year. UVA or VA Tech come calling in the spring. ODU just gonna let him out of his LOI? According to you, yes. BC it is BS because Jeff Jones can up and leave at a moments notice.

Did you know that Mitchell Robinson verballed to Texas A&M before he verballed then signed with Western? Can you tell me who was the assistant at A&M that recruited him there? Was it Rick Stansbury or Shammond Williams? He committed because of his relationship at the time with Rick. I don't think Shammond was even in the coaching game at the time. May have still been with Tulane.

Rick hired Shammond and Quannas White from the Tulane staff. Did that help? Sure it did. Shammond got fired for being a d!ck. That's not what was released but I heard too many examples of it. All this speculation started after Shammond was fired. Who do you think was in MR's ear?

Stans goes down and talks to MR and his mom and he arrives in BG the next day. But according to you Rick shouldn't have played the LOI card??? Really???


ODU should and has let kids out of their LOI. ODU let Tre Evans out of his scholarship last year as long as he didn't go to another CUSA school or Tulsa.

You really don't think Shammond Williams had anything to do with Robinson signing with WKY? Since we are talking about letting kids or not letting kids out of their LOI, do you really think it is productive to have a kid play on your team that has no interest in playing for your school? Good luck winning anything with that.

Did you not read my post. Look at the bolded part.

Nobody has ever heard of Tre Evans. I had to google him to find out he was a 3 star 77. Mitchell Robinson is a 5 star 95. As Bob Euker said in Major League "Juuuuuust a little bit outside"

No interest in playing for the school? He came in yesterday. He was in Diddle Arena last night fooling around. This is not a bad kid. He had bad people in his ears. His mom took care of that mess. For now.

But these hangers on (leeches) and questionable coaches.....looking directly at you LSU won't give up easy.

Who cares who has heard of what? The point is the school should let kids out of the LOI; whether it is a 2 star or a 5 star.

Im guessing you didn't read mine either. I've never said MR was unhappy; I said IF a kid is unhappy, he should be allowed to leave.

Let's not act like Stansbury isn't the slimiest of them all. It's worth it if he can finally win games, but your are insult our intelligence if all the coaches he brought in are now slimeballs after leaving while Stansbury is a stand up guy.
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