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RE: Unofficial 2017/18 Off Season MBB's Thread
People also seem to forget that the year they played a tough OOC schedule with Cleveland State, UT Arlington, and all those other teams... EMU walked through everyone, but nationally ranked UMass and that was a close game. So you take that and wins over Purdue and Michigan on Murphy's resume... And you get a scenario where success works against you and teams don't want to play you.
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(03-21-2017 07:59 AM)KPJ Wrote:  People also seem to forget that the year they played a tough OOC schedule with Cleveland State, UT Arlington, and all those other teams... EMU walked through everyone, but nationally ranked UMass and that was a close game. So you take that and wins over Purdue and Michigan on Murphy's resume... And you get a scenario where success works against you and teams don't want to play you.

Yes, and this is not new. Case study:

I was at the Wisconsin game at Bowen in Dec. 1994.

After the game I congratulated AD Tim Weiser on the court and he told me we'd never see another Big Ten team on this court again.

Few power conference coaches would walk into Bowen to face a good EMU team and risk getting ambushed. Coaches aren't stupid. They are very smart. They avoid unnecessary risk where there is little payoff.
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(03-21-2017 07:59 AM)KPJ Wrote:  People also seem to forget that the year they played a tough OOC schedule with Cleveland State, UT Arlington, and all those other teams... EMU walked through everyone, but nationally ranked UMass and that was a close game. So you take that and wins over Purdue and Michigan on Murphy's resume... And you get a scenario where success works against you and teams don't want to play you.

And the only reason we got a solid A10 program like UMass to comer here was because of their football affiliation at the time. It's a shame that those bridges were burned.
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(03-21-2017 08:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:59 AM)KPJ Wrote:  People also seem to forget that the year they played a tough OOC schedule with Cleveland State, UT Arlington, and all those other teams... EMU walked through everyone, but nationally ranked UMass and that was a close game. So you take that and wins over Purdue and Michigan on Murphy's resume... And you get a scenario where success works against you and teams don't want to play you.

Yes, and this is not new. Case study:

I was at the Wisconsin game at Bowen in Dec. 1994.

After the game I congratulated AD Tim Weiser on the court and he told me we'd never see another Big Ten team on this court again.

Few power conference coaches would walk into Bowen to face a good EMU team and risk getting ambushed. Coaches aren't stupid. They are very smart. They avoid unnecessary risk where there is little payoff.

Exactly, there is very little to gain in prestige by beating EMU at home but at the same time it looks extremely awful to recruits when you lose against EMU like teams. That is why you don't see these games being scheduled - I think money is a secondary issue here to be honest.
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I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.
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(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.

Because these teams do not want to travel to EMU and get paid minimal money for it.

Would you rather get your butt handed to you by EMU for 20K or Ohio State for 100K?

Why don't you guys get it?
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(03-21-2017 08:48 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.

Because these teams do not want to travel to EMU and get paid minimal money for it.

Would you rather get your butt handed to you by EMU for 20K or Ohio State for 100K?

Why don't you guys get it?
But in return they get a low cost opponent for a home game. You're not going to reel in B1G opponents for got home games.

Play a few roadies for big money then play a bunch of other mid majors. Better than playing all the NAIA schools.
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(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.

Only if they are home and home.

That makes sense, but I think, believe it or not, coaches avoid them.
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(03-21-2017 08:57 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:48 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.

Because these teams do not want to travel to EMU and get paid minimal money for it.

Would you rather get your butt handed to you by EMU for 20K or Ohio State for 100K?

Why don't you guys get it?
But in return they get a low cost opponent for a home game. You're not going to reel in B1G opponents for got home games.

Play a few roadies for big money then play a bunch of other mid majors. Better than playing all the NAIA schools.

I get what you are saying but I think that most AD folks don't think that way. They would rather have a 20+ win season while beating some NAIA schools at home than having a 15 win season losing to whole bunch of local mid majors. Have fun explaining that to recruits who most likely have offers from the schools you just lost to.

It comes down to the fact that EMU under Murphy was never an easy win for a similar caliber mid-major teams. I think that is also why they struggled to get those home and home deals with other schools. AND people in general like to take shortcuts when climbing to the top. Most folks don't ask how you got to the 20 wins, they just look at the record. Look at Syracuse's schedule - most OOC scheduling is filled with cupcakes such as EMU - that is done for a reason.
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(03-21-2017 09:11 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:57 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:48 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:44 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I see no reason why low cost home and home games can't be set up with Youngstown, Cleveland St, IPUPFW, etc. There are a ton of non- MAC mid majors within 5 hrs of Ypsi.

Because these teams do not want to travel to EMU and get paid minimal money for it.

Would you rather get your butt handed to you by EMU for 20K or Ohio State for 100K?

Why don't you guys get it?
But in return they get a low cost opponent for a home game. You're not going to reel in B1G opponents for got home games.

Play a few roadies for big money then play a bunch of other mid majors. Better than playing all the NAIA schools.

I get what you are saying but I think that most AD folks don't think that way. They would rather have a 20+ win season while beating some NAIA schools at home than having a 15 win season losing to whole bunch of local mid majors. Have fun explaining that to recruits who most likely have offers from the schools you just lost to.

It comes down to the fact that EMU under Murphy was never an easy win for a similar caliber mid-major teams. I think that is also why they struggled to get those home and home deals with other schools. AND people in general like to take shortcuts when climbing to the top. Most folks don't ask how you got to the 20 wins, they just look at the record. Look at Syracuse's schedule - most OOC scheduling is filled with cupcakes such as EMU - that is done for a reason.

I talked with an unnamed coach and asked him about 'guarantee games'. He suggested low major or some mid-majors (not big name mid-majors) would cost 50 - 75K.

That is why they don't happen. The cost/benefit is not favorable for us.

As was suggested, we can go on the road and get 100K so it makes more sense to go on the road and get 100K (and a loss) rather than pay 50 - 75K for a probable win against a no-name opponent.

That said, it would be nice to have more home and home series as each one eliminates the need for a non-D-I filler game.

BUT, BUT, BUT remember, while home and home sounds sweet to us they don't sound sweet to those working on budgets.

How much gate revenue would we get from a home game with say Cleveland State? Our home game revenues are very small. It's not like we would bring in 50K or even 25K. How much revenue is there in a crowd of much less than 1K.
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